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(10-20-2014 12:09 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  I don't think any rational college football fan would say that C-USA is stronger than the AAC and really believe it. It's asinine.

Looking only at 2014, that is an absurd statement.
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(10-20-2014 12:16 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 12:14 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I think what the argument is here is that the AAC bottom feeders are worse than ours...On the top, I'd say they are stronger overall... So does their bottom half drag them down enough to fall below CUSA??? Probably not.

Agreed. Their bottom feeders are really scrapping the bottom.

I think the other issue is that they've spent so much time claiming to be a "tweener" conference, saying things like "we are not part of the G4," etc. that for a lot of us, pointing out that we are comparable or stronger this season is in large part about refuting their delusional BS where they state their superiority as an irrefutable metaphysical certainty.
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(10-20-2014 11:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Wins over VT and UNC are not good wins, if you remove the names and just post the resumes of the two teams.

And wins over Rhode Island, Akron, Miami OH, and Ohio are?

Virginia Tech choked against Pitt but they do have a win over a Top 10 Ohio State team and are sitting at 4-3. There is no team even remotely comparable to VT on Marshall's schedule. None.

UNC is 3-4 yet played a really, really good ND team close.

If you put either VT or UNC on Marshall's schedule, and won, they would instantly be the biggest wins of the year.
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(10-20-2014 10:49 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why should we leave ECU out of this thread? The positions of Marshall and ECU in the polls are of paramount importance with respect to the G5 access bowl representative.
01-wingedeagle

It's not a 01-wingedeagle. Some posters just get tired of ECU posters coming over here talking about Marshall's weak schedule and blah blah blah.

Add to that, the chances of Marshall overtaking ECU are slim to none if both teams win out. Keep in mind ECU did not play this weekend and they did not drop in the polls.

Why do you care what ECU posters think?

The last I looked, this is the CUSA board, not the ECU-blah-blah-we-are better-than-you board.
The relevant and important topic here is about whether CUSA can be part of something epic; the G5 representative in the first FBS level playoff.
Therefore, I don't see how you can possibly discuss Marshall and polls without speculation as to the access bowl.

Further, we won't know where ECU and Marshall stand in the CFP rankings until Oct 28, nor what impact this weekend may or may not have had in the only poll that matters for the CFP.

In 1999, the Herd rose to #10/11 in the national polls; so they have been there. That they are ranked nationally right now is...well, nice, and gives us a preliminary raw idea of where things might be.

What is potentially on the horizon is historic.
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(10-20-2014 01:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 11:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Wins over VT and UNC are not good wins, if you remove the names and just post the resumes of the two teams.

And wins over Rhode Island, Akron, Miami OH, and Ohio are?

Virginia Tech choked against Pitt but they do have a win over a Top 10 Ohio State team and are sitting at 4-3. There is no team even remotely comparable to VT on Marshall's schedule. None.

UNC is 3-4 yet played a really, really good ND team close.

If you put either VT or UNC on Marshall's schedule, and won, they would instantly be the biggest wins of the year.


Don't strawman the topic. They aren't good wins, and the media thought they were at the time, hence your ranking. And also that is why the computers call ECU out and have them lower than us because Marshall has been more impressive vs a schedule that is not much weaker than ecus. You can't let SMU play like they did and scrape by USF, and lose to SC and seriously believe thats more impressive than winning by 31 pts a game
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(10-20-2014 01:35 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 01:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 11:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Wins over VT and UNC are not good wins, if you remove the names and just post the resumes of the two teams.

And wins over Rhode Island, Akron, Miami OH, and Ohio are?

Virginia Tech choked against Pitt but they do have a win over a Top 10 Ohio State team and are sitting at 4-3. There is no team even remotely comparable to VT on Marshall's schedule. None.

UNC is 3-4 yet played a really, really good ND team close.

If you put either VT or UNC on Marshall's schedule, and won, they would instantly be the biggest wins of the year.


Don't strawman the topic. They aren't good wins, and the media thought they were at the time, hence your ranking. And also that is why the computers call ECU out and have them lower than us because Marshall has been more impressive vs a schedule that is not much weaker than ecus. You can't let SMU play like they did and scrape by USF, and lose to SC and seriously believe thats more impressive than winning by 31 pts a game

03-lmfao First I'm not an ECU fan.

Second, if they aren't good wins, then that means Marshall has exactly 0 good wins on the season. So you're just arguing yourself into a deep, cold hole on that one.

They have only lost to USC who has handed Georgia their only loss on the season. Again- there's no team on Marshall's schedule remotely close to a USC.
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(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 01:35 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 01:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 11:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Wins over VT and UNC are not good wins, if you remove the names and just post the resumes of the two teams.

And wins over Rhode Island, Akron, Miami OH, and Ohio are?

Virginia Tech choked against Pitt but they do have a win over a Top 10 Ohio State team and are sitting at 4-3. There is no team even remotely comparable to VT on Marshall's schedule. None.

UNC is 3-4 yet played a really, really good ND team close.

If you put either VT or UNC on Marshall's schedule, and won, they would instantly be the biggest wins of the year.


Don't strawman the topic. They aren't good wins, and the media thought they were at the time, hence your ranking. And also that is why the computers call ECU out and have them lower than us because Marshall has been more impressive vs a schedule that is not much weaker than ecus. You can't let SMU play like they did and scrape by USF, and lose to SC and seriously believe thats more impressive than winning by 31 pts a game

03-lmfao First I'm not an ECU fan.

Second, if they aren't good wins, then that means Marshall has exactly 0 good wins on the season. So you're just arguing yourself into a deep, cold hole on that one.

They have only lost to USC who has handed Georgia their only loss on the season. Again- there's no team on Marshall's schedule remotely close to a USC.

See the other topic i just stsrted. Its not even close in all the computers. SC is not good. 1 fluke game aside. Marshall beat akron who beat pitt who beat vt... so marshall hss a win over a team 3 degrees better than VT.... see how that trash comparison works?
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It also can't be pointed out enough that ECU struggled, at home, to the worst team in the country. SMU has 24 points against ECU and 15 against the rest of their schedule.

Marshall is the most lopsided loss by margin of victory for every single FBS opponent on its schedule except for Michigan's win over Miami (OH).
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(10-20-2014 02:14 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 01:35 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 01:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 11:10 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Wins over VT and UNC are not good wins, if you remove the names and just post the resumes of the two teams.

And wins over Rhode Island, Akron, Miami OH, and Ohio are?

Virginia Tech choked against Pitt but they do have a win over a Top 10 Ohio State team and are sitting at 4-3. There is no team even remotely comparable to VT on Marshall's schedule. None.

UNC is 3-4 yet played a really, really good ND team close.

If you put either VT or UNC on Marshall's schedule, and won, they would instantly be the biggest wins of the year.


Don't strawman the topic. They aren't good wins, and the media thought they were at the time, hence your ranking. And also that is why the computers call ECU out and have them lower than us because Marshall has been more impressive vs a schedule that is not much weaker than ecus. You can't let SMU play like they did and scrape by USF, and lose to SC and seriously believe thats more impressive than winning by 31 pts a game

03-lmfao First I'm not an ECU fan.

Second, if they aren't good wins, then that means Marshall has exactly 0 good wins on the season. So you're just arguing yourself into a deep, cold hole on that one.

They have only lost to USC who has handed Georgia their only loss on the season. Again- there's no team on Marshall's schedule remotely close to a USC.

See the other topic i just stsrted. Its not even close in all the computers. SC is not good. 1 fluke game aside. Marshall beat akron who beat pitt who beat vt... so marshall hss a win over a team 3 degrees better than VT.... see how that trash comparison works?

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Why are we having AAC fans constantly on this board? Are their dicks that small that they need to remind us all the time how "big" they are? 03-yawn

BTW, East Carolina will have a WTF loss to a lesser team like Tulane. Probably they'll lose to either Cincinnati or Central Florida as well......maybe to both.

Marshall might lose a game as well. They might coog it in the CG against the West rep. The biggest threat right now to Marshall is Colorado State if they win the MWC.
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(10-20-2014 02:27 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  It also can't be pointed out enough that ECU struggled, at home, to the worst team in the country. SMU has 24 points against ECU and 15 against the rest of their schedule.

Marshall is the most lopsided loss by margin of victory for every single FBS opponent on its schedule except for Michigan's win over Miami (OH).

No we weren't struggling, we let them throw five yard crossing patterns, and as Marshall fans say we were "building friendships".
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(10-19-2014 09:43 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 09:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 09:25 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  
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(10-19-2014 08:46 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  marshall will most likely end up jumping ecu in the human polls if they win out. The computers already have Marshall in the driver's seat.

How do you figure? Just want to see what you're thinking.

tulane, uconn, tulsa, temple are 4 of your last 6 games. The other 2 are ucf and cinci

So? If we win, it's no worse than if Marshall wins.

yeah but those four schools are pretty bad, no way you move up by beating those schools. You need to hope that ucf wins out, and even then, Marshall going undefeated in a better conference will turn more heads than ecu going 11-1 in the American
No way Marshall moves up either. Neither team will move up unless teams in front of them lose.
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That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.
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(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

I'm about to leave, and just typing stuff down quickly. 04-cheers

Honestly that game was the build up of almost everything that could go wrong. We wouldn't move the DBs up on the receivers until the game was within two scores. Even then the game wasn't really in question. I don't think the coaches spent a lot of time watching film on SMU and it showed.
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(10-20-2014 10:49 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why should we leave ECU out of this thread? The positions of Marshall and ECU in the polls are of paramount importance with respect to the G5 access bowl representative.
01-wingedeagle

It's not a 01-wingedeagle. Some posters just get tired of ECU posters coming over here talking about Marshall's weak schedule and blah blah blah.

Add to that, the chances of Marshall overtaking ECU are slim to none if both teams win out. Keep in mind ECU did not play this weekend and they did not drop in the polls.

We're tired of them and CUSA posters on the AAC board talking up the Akron win.07-coffee3
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(10-20-2014 05:08 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 10:49 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why should we leave ECU out of this thread? The positions of Marshall and ECU in the polls are of paramount importance with respect to the G5 access bowl representative.
01-wingedeagle

It's not a 01-wingedeagle. Some posters just get tired of ECU posters coming over here talking about Marshall's weak schedule and blah blah blah.

Add to that, the chances of Marshall overtaking ECU are slim to none if both teams win out. Keep in mind ECU did not play this weekend and they did not drop in the polls.

We're tired of them and CUSA posters on the AAC board talking up the Akron win.07-coffee3

Let me say it isn't all ECU posters, just most of them. That said, I understand each school knocking each other OOC and etc. Fact is, just because you haven't played or beat a P-5 school doesn't mean your program isn't good.

This all will play out and someone feelings are going to be hurt. Oh well and so be it.
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(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

That's transitive property and it doesn't work. Take last year, ECU beat MTSU by 7 away, Marshall lost @MSTU, so using transitive property ECU should have beat Marshall, but that isn't what happened, same thing Marshall lost to Ohio and ECU lost Marshall. So, Ohio should have have beat ECU in the bowl game, but that isn't what happened.

Another example, ECU beat VT at VT by 7, VT beat tOSU by 14 on the road, that doesn't mean ECU would beat tOSU by 14+, or that ECU beat UNC 70-41 means we would beat ND 63-50 or beat Clemson 45-67.

We slept walked to 21 point win and Shane Carden had more yards passing than SMU had in total yards.07-coffee3
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(10-20-2014 05:17 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 05:08 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 10:49 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why should we leave ECU out of this thread? The positions of Marshall and ECU in the polls are of paramount importance with respect to the G5 access bowl representative.
01-wingedeagle

It's not a 01-wingedeagle. Some posters just get tired of ECU posters coming over here talking about Marshall's weak schedule and blah blah blah.

Add to that, the chances of Marshall overtaking ECU are slim to none if both teams win out. Keep in mind ECU did not play this weekend and they did not drop in the polls.

We're tired of them and CUSA posters on the AAC board talking up the Akron win.07-coffee3

Let me say it isn't all ECU posters, just most of them. That said, I understand each school knocking each other OOC and etc. Fact is, just because you haven't played or beat a P-5 school doesn't mean your program isn't good.

This all will play out and someone feelings are going to be hurt. Oh well and so be it.

And, I haven't seen anyone say Marshall isn't a good team. No, SJ, Marv, and one other do not count, we don't claim them.
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(10-20-2014 05:21 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 05:17 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 05:08 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 10:49 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(10-19-2014 03:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Why should we leave ECU out of this thread? The positions of Marshall and ECU in the polls are of paramount importance with respect to the G5 access bowl representative.
01-wingedeagle

It's not a 01-wingedeagle. Some posters just get tired of ECU posters coming over here talking about Marshall's weak schedule and blah blah blah.

Add to that, the chances of Marshall overtaking ECU are slim to none if both teams win out. Keep in mind ECU did not play this weekend and they did not drop in the polls.

We're tired of them and CUSA posters on the AAC board talking up the Akron win.07-coffee3

Let me say it isn't all ECU posters, just most of them. That said, I understand each school knocking each other OOC and etc. Fact is, just because you haven't played or beat a P-5 school doesn't mean your program isn't good.

This all will play out and someone feelings are going to be hurt. Oh well and so be it.

And, I haven't seen anyone say Marshall isn't a good team. No, SJ, Marv, and one other do not count, we don't claim them.

85% of the AAC posters don't think Marshall is good based off who they have played. You get comments like, "how do we know they are any good if they haven't played anyone?" or "Marshall would lose to half of the teams in the AAC."

You do read the AAC Board comments right?
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(10-20-2014 03:57 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

I'm about to leave, and just typing stuff down quickly. 04-cheers

Honestly that game was the build up of almost everything that could go wrong. We wouldn't move the DBs up on the receivers until the game was within two scores. Even then the game wasn't really in question. I don't think the coaches spent a lot of time watching film on SMU and it showed.

They must have spent that time getting ready for that USF power house. Lucky they did too, barely scraped by.
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