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RE: Marshall moves up to #23 AP, #22 Coaches.
I have a brilliant idea! Instead of both sides trying to figure out how the cfp committee is going to do their ranks, how about we wait until next week? Sounds good?
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(10-20-2014 05:19 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

That's transitive property and it doesn't work. Take last year, ECU beat MTSU by 7 away, Marshall lost @MSTU, so using transitive property ECU should have beat Marshall, but that isn't what happened, same thing Marshall lost to Ohio and ECU lost Marshall. So, Ohio should have have beat ECU in the bowl game, but that isn't what happened.

Another example, ECU beat VT at VT by 7, VT beat tOSU by 14 on the road, that doesn't mean ECU would beat tOSU by 14+, or that ECU beat UNC 70-41 means we would beat ND 63-50 or beat Clemson 45-67.

We slept walked to 21 point win and Shane Carden had more yards passing than SMU had in total yards.07-coffee3

I wasn't trying to suggest that North Texas would be able to hang with ECU or anything like that.

However, I do think it matters when you give up 24 non-garbage points to a team averaging 3.0 ppg in their other 5 games. And also that you trailed after 3 quarters to the worst FBS team in Florida.
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RE: Marshall moves up to #23 AP, #22 Coaches.
(10-20-2014 06:28 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 03:57 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

I'm about to leave, and just typing stuff down quickly. 04-cheers

Honestly that game was the build up of almost everything that could go wrong. We wouldn't move the DBs up on the receivers until the game was within two scores. Even then the game wasn't really in question. I don't think the coaches spent a lot of time watching film on SMU and it showed.

They must have spent that time getting ready for that USF power house. Lucky they did too, barely scraped by.

Aight.
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RE: Marshall moves up to #23 AP, #22 Coaches.
(10-20-2014 07:04 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 05:19 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 03:55 PM)keebler645 Wrote:  That's not a sentence, but I think I get what you're saying with the friendships comment.

Jokes aside, SMU missed a FG early in the 4th that would have made that a one-score game. They are the worst FBS team in the country. Winning the game is what matters most, but when comparing two teams that aren't going to play each other, it's fair to bring margin of victory into account.

It's also fair to point out that the worst team in C-USA beat them by 37.

That's transitive property and it doesn't work. Take last year, ECU beat MTSU by 7 away, Marshall lost @MSTU, so using transitive property ECU should have beat Marshall, but that isn't what happened, same thing Marshall lost to Ohio and ECU lost Marshall. So, Ohio should have have beat ECU in the bowl game, but that isn't what happened.

Another example, ECU beat VT at VT by 7, VT beat tOSU by 14 on the road, that doesn't mean ECU would beat tOSU by 14+, or that ECU beat UNC 70-41 means we would beat ND 63-50 or beat Clemson 45-67.

We slept walked to 21 point win and Shane Carden had more yards passing than SMU had in total yards.07-coffee3

I wasn't trying to suggest that North Texas would be able to hang with ECU or anything like that.

However, I do think it matters when you give up 24 non-garbage points to a team averaging 3.0 ppg in their other 5 games. And also that you trailed after 3 quarters to the worst FBS team in Florida.

We won, by 21 in the first one, with over 200 yards more than SMU. Won the second by 11 had over 200 yards rushing, the game has 4 quarters for a reason. ND only beat UNC by 7, you going to say ND sucks?

Oh, never said anything about NT.
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You brought up the transitive property after I said the worst team in C-USA (NT) beat SMU by 37 so I thought you had inferred I was saying NT was on par or better than ECU.

I guess we're just disagreeing on what we consider to be important. The 24 sticks out to me as does trailing to USF, who I consider to be worse than 4 or 5 teams Marshall has played, going to the 4th. Marshall has trailed for 4 plays this season and never outside the 1st quarter.

FWIW, I do think ND (and FSU) are quite overrated, but I get your point. Teams have good and bad days.
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(10-20-2014 06:56 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  I have a brilliant idea! Instead of both sides trying to figure out how the cfp committee is going to do their ranks, how about we wait until next week? Sounds good?

This is the most sane/logical thing that any of us can do. ECU has many tough games left, as does MU. Saw a special today saying the committee has to consider zippee, notta, nothing. It's all up to such football wonders as Condee Rice. So why don't both camps, ECU/MU just see how things go. Both can lose games going forward, and imho probably will. Plenty of time for finger pointing/pounding of chests after this season is over. Barely past the 1/2 way point. To say all this stuff, both ways, is premature to say the least, and to call it useless might be more accurate. CSU/Boise ST. or whomever could still be the team or someone else, no one knows. Would love it if folks could just put this crap on hold for a month+, not like there won't still be time for the chicanery/BS. Onward! And Go G5 (hate that term, should just call us the little sisters of the poor that must be paid for our silence by the big money folks)! At least they're going to "include" one of us...for now.
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If I were a person on the committee, I would think about the implications of leaving an undefeated team out of the access bowl slot. ECU Might have a great season going but they never finished undefeated whilst in CUSA. Nor did USF, UCF, Cincy. Tulane had a good season in the 90's and finished in or close to top 10.
Marshall still has some wood to chop and they seem to struggle in some games they should have won easily in prior seasons. Same coach as in the last few seasons.
An undefeated team from arguably the best G5 conference would get most people's vote. It would be an epic fail for the politically correct CFP to leave that team out. The people choosing will do the PC thing.
10-21-2014 05:37 AM
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(10-21-2014 05:37 AM)notnow Wrote:  If I were a person on the committee, I would think about the implications of leaving an undefeated team out of the access bowl slot. ECU Might have a great season going but they never finished undefeated whilst in CUSA. Nor did USF, UCF, Cincy. Tulane had a good season in the 90's and finished in or close to top 10.
Marshall still has some wood to chop and they seem to struggle in some games they should have won easily in prior seasons. Same coach as in the last few seasons.
An undefeated team from arguably the best G5 conference would get most people's vote. It would be an epic fail for the politically correct CFP to leave that team out. The people choosing will do the PC thing.

Except virtually every sportswriter has ECU over Marshall if both teams win out.
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(10-21-2014 04:18 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  
(10-21-2014 05:37 AM)notnow Wrote:  If I were a person on the committee, I would think about the implications of leaving an undefeated team out of the access bowl slot. ECU Might have a great season going but they never finished undefeated whilst in CUSA. Nor did USF, UCF, Cincy. Tulane had a good season in the 90's and finished in or close to top 10.
Marshall still has some wood to chop and they seem to struggle in some games they should have won easily in prior seasons. Same coach as in the last few seasons.
An undefeated team from arguably the best G5 conference would get most people's vote. It would be an epic fail for the politically correct CFP to leave that team out. The people choosing will do the PC thing.

Except virtually every sportswriter has ECU over Marshall if both teams win out.

Sportwriters don't make up the Selection Committee.
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I heard that Condee and Pat scour message boards to help them decide. They clearly won't be able to make heads or tails if they read posts on here and the AAC board. I heard they will pick CSU just because the posters supporting Marshall and ECU have provided such strong arguments for their teams. Kudos CSU Rammy Rams.
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I'm confident of this much...Plenty of one-loss teams are gonna get screwed with this format, & they are deliberately ignoring the likes of Marshall (who hasn't lost yet & is winning impressively), East Carolina & Utah (who by the way, is in a "Cabal"conference), but however gradual their ascent, I like the fact that a Conference USA team is at least in the field of 25, very proud of their current accomplishements, but I can't wrap my mind around this 4 team ripoff. Somewhere out there is a fan base with torches and pitchforks at the ready when the 12 member "Cabal" (Archie Manning stepped off for health reasons, bet they replace him with Lou Holtz) convenes and decides which 3 sec schools & Notre Dame gets to play for their mythical national championship & who gets screwed. This makes me sick, y'all...It's absolutely revolting to not have a REAL playoff system like the other divisions have.
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There's already controversy surrounding who gets to play in the playoffs. That is great news. I hate the Cabal and anything that upsets those prima donnas is okay with me. As much as we complain about east coast bias the Cabal is complaining that writers favor the SEC and would want very much to have 3 teams from there. Oooweee, can you imagine the fireworks if that happened. It would tickle me pink.
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