(10-19-2014 10:47 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:50 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  For those of you interested in the name change issue, I will give my own opinion of that change. As a Cajun fan stated earlier, it required 2 or more universities to change and that each would carry the University of Louisiana at (city) title. There was to be NO University of Louisiana. The vast majority of alumni opposed the name change. Partly due to nostalgic reasons and partly due to many of us feeling that ULL would do exactly what they are doing now....attempting to usurp the name University of Louisiana and drop all references to Lafayette. Look at their uniforms, their field markings and their URL for the school. They can call it a "branding" issue all they want but they couldn't get it in the 80s so they are trying a backdoor way now.

Back to the change. This was pushed by the ULM President at the time, Lawson Swearigen. Believe me, he was extremely disliked by students, alumni, and faculty. He took a good university, with great programs in Pharmacy, Nursing, Construction, and Business and nearly cost us our accreditation. That was the reason for an unannounced early resignation. He even replaced the coach who brought us into D1A, Ed Zaunbrecher, who was getting us 5 wins a year as an independent. If your think our OOC schedule is rough now, you should have seen the schedules he had to go up against. Swearigen saddled us with Bobby Keasler, a political move many of us felt, and away we went to great seasons of losing to Wofford. Swearigen is so disliked that they school brings him back and announces him at football games and he is roundly booed.

Sorry I went on a tangent. I have very strong feelings about the man who shoved a name change down our throats and damn near ruined my Alma Mater. Long story short, there won't be a name change to something else. We chose ULM as a branding name that honors the intent and letter of the law. And we oppose any attempt by ULL to do otherwise.[/i]

Actually you didn't chose ULM first, your administration used Louisiana first and when that didn't work out ULM was chosen. Sadly, not only do you oppose UL, but the use of Louisiana after the fact. It certainly honored the intent of the law for ULM until it failed. You can count on the Monrovians to leave out parts of the story, never the complete truth.

Actually ywe did get the name in the 80's. My friend has a University of Louisiana degree. But then LSU and McNeese didn't like it so they had the law past where only the State Legislator could change the name of Universities. So we had to revert back to USL. So we did have the nane officially for a few months for them to be able to issue degrees with the name

(10-19-2014 10:47 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:50 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  For those of you interested in the name change issue, I will give my own opinion of that change. As a Cajun fan stated earlier, it required 2 or more universities to change and that each would carry the University of Louisiana at (city) title. There was to be NO University of Louisiana. The vast majority of alumni opposed the name change. Partly due to nostalgic reasons and partly due to many of us feeling that ULL would do exactly what they are doing now....attempting to usurp the name University of Louisiana and drop all references to Lafayette. Look at their uniforms, their field markings and their URL for the school. They can call it a "branding" issue all they want but they couldn't get it in the 80s so they are trying a backdoor way now.

Back to the change. This was pushed by the ULM President at the time, Lawson Swearigen. Believe me, he was extremely disliked by students, alumni, and faculty. He took a good university, with great programs in Pharmacy, Nursing, Construction, and Business and nearly cost us our accreditation. That was the reason for an unannounced early resignation. He even replaced the coach who brought us into D1A, Ed Zaunbrecher, who was getting us 5 wins a year as an independent. If your think our OOC schedule is rough now, you should have seen the schedules he had to go up against. Swearigen saddled us with Bobby Keasler, a political move many of us felt, and away we went to great seasons of losing to Wofford. Swearigen is so disliked that they school brings him back and announces him at football games and he is roundly booed.

Sorry I went on a tangent. I have very strong feelings about the man who shoved a name change down our throats and damn near ruined my Alma Mater. Long story short, there won't be a name change to something else. We chose ULM as a branding name that honors the intent and letter of the law. And we oppose any attempt by ULL to do otherwise.[/i]

Actually you didn't chose ULM first, your administration used Louisiana first and when that didn't work out ULM was chosen. Sadly, not only do you oppose UL, but the use of Louisiana after the fact. It certainly honored the intent of the law for ULM until it failed. You can count on the Monrovians to leave out parts of the story, never the complete truth.

We did throw Louisiana on the uniforms for a short time, I will admit....but we never put up a URL for the university that was UL.EDU....leave it to Cajun fans to not admit to their hypocrisy. And you are damn right I oppose UL because you are not the University of Louisiana and there is no University of Louisiana.

I know a lot of other states do have a U of ___, and also have the rest as @ insert city (ex: Tenn, NC, SC, AL, etc...). Is the reason LA never established a 'head' university was because LSU is so dominant? Or were there too many schools trying to establish themselves as THE U of La? Who was the the 1st U of La school? Just wondering.

(10-20-2014 08:17 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I know a lot of other states do have a U of ___, and also have the rest as @ insert city (ex: Tenn, NC, SC, AL, etc...). Is the reason LA never established a 'head' university was because LSU is so dominant? Or were there too many schools trying to establish themselves as THE U of La? Who was the the 1st U of La school? Just wondering.

The main reason that there isn't a flagship of the LA system is because LSU A&M politicians would never allow a challenger. It's pretty said that a state's government intentionally holds down other institutions over the fear of losing money, prestige, etc. A great example of a state promoting several flagship universities is right next door in Texas.

(10-19-2014 11:26 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:47 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:50 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  For those of you interested in the name change issue, I will give my own opinion of that change. As a Cajun fan stated earlier, it required 2 or more universities to change and that each would carry the University of Louisiana at (city) title. There was to be NO University of Louisiana. The vast majority of alumni opposed the name change. Partly due to nostalgic reasons and partly due to many of us feeling that ULL would do exactly what they are doing now....attempting to usurp the name University of Louisiana and drop all references to Lafayette. Look at their uniforms, their field markings and their URL for the school. They can call it a "branding" issue all they want but they couldn't get it in the 80s so they are trying a backdoor way now.

Back to the change. This was pushed by the ULM President at the time, Lawson Swearigen. Believe me, he was extremely disliked by students, alumni, and faculty. He took a good university, with great programs in Pharmacy, Nursing, Construction, and Business and nearly cost us our accreditation. That was the reason for an unannounced early resignation. He even replaced the coach who brought us into D1A, Ed Zaunbrecher, who was getting us 5 wins a year as an independent. If your think our OOC schedule is rough now, you should have seen the schedules he had to go up against. Swearigen saddled us with Bobby Keasler, a political move many of us felt, and away we went to great seasons of losing to Wofford. Swearigen is so disliked that they school brings him back and announces him at football games and he is roundly booed.

Sorry I went on a tangent. I have very strong feelings about the man who shoved a name change down our throats and damn near ruined my Alma Mater. Long story short, there won't be a name change to something else. We chose ULM as a branding name that honors the intent and letter of the law. And we oppose any attempt by ULL to do otherwise.[/i]

Actually you didn't chose ULM first, your administration used Louisiana first and when that didn't work out ULM was chosen. Sadly, not only do you oppose UL, but the use of Louisiana after the fact. It certainly honored the intent of the law for ULM until it failed. You can count on the Monrovians to leave out parts of the story, never the complete truth.

Actually ywe did get the name in the 80's. My friend has a University of Louisiana degree. But then LSU and McNeese didn't like it so they had the law past where only the State Legislator could change the name of Universities. So we had to revert back to USL. So we did have the nane officially for a few months for them to be able to issue degrees with the name

I know, I was there as well. My point is the Monrovian poster left out a big piece of the facts, stating they voted for ULM first. Nonsense!

(10-20-2014 06:16 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 10:47 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 07:50 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  For those of you interested in the name change issue, I will give my own opinion of that change. As a Cajun fan stated earlier, it required 2 or more universities to change and that each would carry the University of Louisiana at (city) title. There was to be NO University of Louisiana. The vast majority of alumni opposed the name change. Partly due to nostalgic reasons and partly due to many of us feeling that ULL would do exactly what they are doing now....attempting to usurp the name University of Louisiana and drop all references to Lafayette. Look at their uniforms, their field markings and their URL for the school. They can call it a "branding" issue all they want but they couldn't get it in the 80s so they are trying a backdoor way now.

Back to the change. This was pushed by the ULM President at the time, Lawson Swearigen. Believe me, he was extremely disliked by students, alumni, and faculty. He took a good university, with great programs in Pharmacy, Nursing, Construction, and Business and nearly cost us our accreditation. That was the reason for an unannounced early resignation. He even replaced the coach who brought us into D1A, Ed Zaunbrecher, who was getting us 5 wins a year as an independent. If your think our OOC schedule is rough now, you should have seen the schedules he had to go up against. Swearigen saddled us with Bobby Keasler, a political move many of us felt, and away we went to great seasons of losing to Wofford. Swearigen is so disliked that they school brings him back and announces him at football games and he is roundly booed.

Sorry I went on a tangent. I have very strong feelings about the man who shoved a name change down our throats and damn near ruined my Alma Mater. Long story short, there won't be a name change to something else. We chose ULM as a branding name that honors the intent and letter of the law. And we oppose any attempt by ULL to do otherwise.[/i]

Actually you didn't chose ULM first, your administration used Louisiana first and when that didn't work out ULM was chosen. Sadly, not only do you oppose UL, but the use of Louisiana after the fact. It certainly honored the intent of the law for ULM until it failed. You can count on the Monrovians to leave out parts of the story, never the complete truth.

We did throw Louisiana on the uniforms for a short time, I will admit....but we never put up a URL for the university that was UL.EDU....leave it to Cajun fans to not admit to their hypocrisy. And you are damn right I oppose UL because you are not the University of Louisiana and there is no University of Louisiana.

The hypocrisy rest with you and the rest of the Monrovians because no official web site is listed as Louisiana, your president stated it makes ULM sound like a satellite campus. So your university tested the waters with Louisiana and decided to go in another direction. No one is violating the law paranoid chickenhawk fan.

As an outsider, I have to say there doesn't really seem to be a compromise that would please both parties in this situation. Unfortunately.

To me ULM works ...sounds right. ULL is awkward.

(10-20-2014 08:17 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  I know a lot of other states do have a U of ___, and also have the rest as @ insert city (ex: Tenn, NC, SC, AL, etc...). Is the reason LA never established a 'head' university was because LSU is so dominant? Or were there too many schools trying to establish themselves as THE U of La? Who was the the 1st U of La school? Just wondering.

Actually UL Lafayette officially became the University of Louisiana in April 1984. The graduating class received degrees with the University of Louisiana on it. No other University in the State was seeking the name.

Then LSU went to work to keep other State Universities down by having a law passed that stated that only the State Legislator had the power to change a Universities name and not the Board of Trustees which was the Board who approved other schools in the State name changes, such as LSUNO became UNO. UL Lafayette followed the same procedures and was approved of the name change by a vote of 17-1.

When the Law was passed with a Judge who was a LSU Alumnus and active supporter, UL had to revert back to University of Southwestern Louisiana and students were reissued their degrees with that name.

My friend is one of the lucky ones with the souvenir degree. All official correspondence must use the entire name with the @Lafayette, but the Alumni, students, fans, and media (such as ESPN) are free to call them what they want. Locally the University is known as UL.

If you want to read all about the LSU power and Louisiana crooked politics, read the following, it is very interesting

http://www.angelfire.com/la3/ulragincajuns/battle.html

(10-18-2014 11:04 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Yeah had the same exact thing today. Was talking to my college roommate who doesn't really follow the Texas State program. He asked about other schools in the conference. When I said Louisiana he said "who"? I said Louisiana-Lafayette and he said "oh yeah".

On a national level people don't know who "Louisiana" is.

That's ONLY because of two things: 1) they are stuck in the SBC and 2) Benson.

Did I do that right, Cajun fans?

(10-22-2014 12:27 PM)ASUMountaineer Wrote:  

(10-18-2014 11:04 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Yeah had the same exact thing today. Was talking to my college roommate who doesn't really follow the Texas State program. He asked about other schools in the conference. When I said Louisiana he said "who"? I said Louisiana-Lafayette and he said "oh yeah".

On a national level people don't know who "Louisiana" is.

That's ONLY because of two things: 1) they are stuck in the SBC and 2) Benson.

Did I do that right, Cajun fans?

Well you got the Waters/Benson part correct. Being in the Sun Belt isn't the issue it is the member institutions refusing to honor our request of the use of Louisiana. Mainly due to the fact that they feel like they will insult the ULM fans.

ULM has already been designated as a lesser university within the state by the BOR and the Legislature. LSU is the flagship. UNO, La Tech and Louisiana are the statewide universities. Grambling, Southern, ULM, McNeese St, Northwestern St, Nicholls St, Southeastern St and SUNO are all considered equals being regional universities.

The distinction is there.