(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:36 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I only saw Marshall fans saying it made the win against VT less impressive. Now, CBS Sports is saying it too in their ranking projections.

"16. East Carolina (18). Bye in Week 8 for the Pirates, Thursday night showdown with, uh, UConn in Week 9. Sorry, ECU, but it's true: after Virginia Tech went down (again) at Pitt, this resume remains a bit thin for a ranking this high."

I guess the next thread will be about CBS Sports, or how every AAC team could absolutely destroy their writing staff. ECU is a good team, but the VT loss did diminish that win.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...day-week-8

also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

what writer is that? just curious
ive only seen one marshall bcs projection and they believe ecu will lose, not a schedule thing

and no one has said that, most of us would put marshall top 3 in our league at least.. and all have marshall #2 for the access if ecu lossses, above CSU who probably deserves it more on better schedule

most of us think marshall is a good team (how good we dont know) when akron is your best win, you have to question it.

id evven respect beating a bad P5 becuase atleast you beat a team with some talent on it..most of marshall schedule is lucky to get 4 3star guys a year if that..marshall with its non qualifiers are recruiting dramatically better than the rest of the league.. every game you play has more to do with being overmatched

(10-19-2014 09:11 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:36 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I only saw Marshall fans saying it made the win against VT less impressive. Now, CBS Sports is saying it too in their ranking projections.

"16. East Carolina (18). Bye in Week 8 for the Pirates, Thursday night showdown with, uh, UConn in Week 9. Sorry, ECU, but it's true: after Virginia Tech went down (again) at Pitt, this resume remains a bit thin for a ranking this high."

I guess the next thread will be about CBS Sports, or how every AAC team could absolutely destroy their writing staff. ECU is a good team, but the VT loss did diminish that win.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...day-week-8

also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

His point is that CBS still thinks ECU gets the access bowl. Your projections came from somewhere else.
I'd bet 95% of your posts are trying to discredit ECUs wins against two P5 teams or trying to say Marshall's schedule is somehow better than ECU's

You would lose that bet. All I have ever stated is the VT win looks less impressive after a loss to Pitt. It is a true statement. Meanwhile, this board is full of teams convinced they could destroy Marshall. I cant see wasting so much energy on a DII team everyone is sure they could beat.

VT win looks a little less good, but the UNC win looks a little better after they beat GT.

(10-19-2014 09:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:36 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I only saw Marshall fans saying it made the win against VT less impressive. Now, CBS Sports is saying it too in their ranking projections.

"16. East Carolina (18). Bye in Week 8 for the Pirates, Thursday night showdown with, uh, UConn in Week 9. Sorry, ECU, but it's true: after Virginia Tech went down (again) at Pitt, this resume remains a bit thin for a ranking this high."

I guess the next thread will be about CBS Sports, or how every AAC team could absolutely destroy their writing staff. ECU is a good team, but the VT loss did diminish that win.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...day-week-8

also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

what writer is that? just curious
ive only seen one marshall bcs projection and they believe ecu will lose, not a schedule thing

and no one has said that, most of us would put marshall top 3 in our league at least.. and all have marshall #2 for the access if ecu lossses, above CSU who probably deserves it more on better schedule

most of us think marshall is a good team (how good we dont know) when akron is your best win, you have to question it.

id evven respect beating a bad P5 becuase atleast you beat a team with some talent on it..most of marshall schedule is lucky to get 4 3star guys a year if that..marshall with its non qualifiers are recruiting dramatically better than the rest of the league.. every game you play has more to do with being overmatched

Check your threads man. Memphis fans calling us a DII program. Houston, Temple, UCF, and ECU would most certainly beat us. Marshall does nothing illegal with recruiting. There will be no asterisks after the Marshall W column no matter how greatly you protest. Generally, teams win because they overmatch the opponent.

(10-19-2014 09:28 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:36 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I only saw Marshall fans saying it made the win against VT less impressive. Now, CBS Sports is saying it too in their ranking projections.

"16. East Carolina (18). Bye in Week 8 for the Pirates, Thursday night showdown with, uh, UConn in Week 9. Sorry, ECU, but it's true: after Virginia Tech went down (again) at Pitt, this resume remains a bit thin for a ranking this high."

I guess the next thread will be about CBS Sports, or how every AAC team could absolutely destroy their writing staff. ECU is a good team, but the VT loss did diminish that win.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...day-week-8

also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

what writer is that? just curious
ive only seen one marshall bcs projection and they believe ecu will lose, not a schedule thing

and no one has said that, most of us would put marshall top 3 in our league at least.. and all have marshall #2 for the access if ecu lossses, above CSU who probably deserves it more on better schedule

most of us think marshall is a good team (how good we dont know) when akron is your best win, you have to question it.

id evven respect beating a bad P5 becuase atleast you beat a team with some talent on it..most of marshall schedule is lucky to get 4 3star guys a year if that..marshall with its non qualifiers are recruiting dramatically better than the rest of the league.. every game you play has more to do with being overmatched

Check your threads man. Memphis fans calling us a DII program. Houston, Temple, UCF, and ECU would most certainly beat us. Marshall does nothing illegal with recruiting. There will be no asterisks after the Marshall W column no matter how greatly you protest. Generally, teams win because they overmatch the opponent.

Do you really believe that? Whenever you have success recruiting violations soon follow.

Also look at the threads you've posted in them, most of them have something to do with ECU.

(10-19-2014 09:22 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:11 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:36 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I only saw Marshall fans saying it made the win against VT less impressive. Now, CBS Sports is saying it too in their ranking projections.

"16. East Carolina (18). Bye in Week 8 for the Pirates, Thursday night showdown with, uh, UConn in Week 9. Sorry, ECU, but it's true: after Virginia Tech went down (again) at Pitt, this resume remains a bit thin for a ranking this high."

I guess the next thread will be about CBS Sports, or how every AAC team could absolutely destroy their writing staff. ECU is a good team, but the VT loss did diminish that win.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...day-week-8

also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

His point is that CBS still thinks ECU gets the access bowl. Your projections came from somewhere else.
I'd bet 95% of your posts are trying to discredit ECUs wins against two P5 teams or trying to say Marshall's schedule is somehow better than ECU's

You would lose that bet. All I have ever stated is the VT win looks less impressive after a loss to Pitt. It is a true statement. Meanwhile, this board is full of teams convinced they could destroy Marshall. I cant see wasting so much energy on a DII team everyone is sure they could beat.

Cusa is a water down embarrassing to D1 football......please.....this is AAC board so lets stop with Marshall treads and responding to these Marshall TROLLs.

(10-19-2014 09:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  VT win looks a little less good, but the UNC win looks a little better after they beat GT.

1 week till the first poll

vt has miami ..50/50
unc has virginia unc probably 70/30
SC auburn ..auburn 80/20 (SC has a chance theyvtheyve been good vs run teams)

akron ball st..despite ball state being horrible is probably 50/50, bsu can score and akron can't
and ohio plays w michigan which is wmu prabably 70/30

vt/unc/sc lose all 3 it won't affect ecu much, while win could super boost ECU's OOC

akron/ohio wins do nothing for marshall but losses destroy their SOS.. it'll be an interesting week ecu has a ton to gain and little to lose, marshall has little to gain and a lot to lose

According to objective sources, ECU has a much stronger SOS than Marshall. Sagarin gives ECU and Marshall a 89th and 147th rank while ESPN shows a 81st and 126th rank, respectively.

Assuming each squad wins out, the Committee will have to weigh ECU's tougher schedule with Marshall's unblemished record. It would be interesting to read or hear the expert view of the merits of each team. For example, how would Vegas set the opening line for a Marshall / ECU game?

(10-19-2014 09:28 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  what writer is that? just curious
ive only seen one marshall bcs projection and they believe ecu will lose, not a schedule thing

and no one has said that, most of us would put marshall top 3 in our league at least.. and all have marshall #2 for the access if ecu lossses, above CSU who probably deserves it more on better schedule

most of us think marshall is a good team (how good we dont know) when akron is your best win, you have to question it.

id evven respect beating a bad P5 becuase atleast you beat a team with some talent on it..most of marshall schedule is lucky to get 4 3star guys a year if that..marshall with its non qualifiers are recruiting dramatically better than the rest of the league.. every game you play has more to do with being overmatched

Check your threads man. Memphis fans calling us a DII program. Houston, Temple, UCF, and ECU would most certainly beat us. Marshall does nothing illegal with recruiting. There will be no asterisks after the Marshall W column no matter how greatly you protest. Generally, teams win because they overmatch the opponent.

you are picking and choosing comments..you ignored ramen tigers comment (a memphis fan) who said he thinks Marshall is the best G5..and you miss interpreted that other comment..he didnt say all would beat them but that atleast one of them would beat marshall probably whoever had them away...

besides pot shots to stir the pot, we ALL thik marshall is good, maybe not the greatest but very good, we just dont think you deseve the access with that schedule

and no one is saying you are commiting any violations, but when you are taking academically ineligible kids by lowering your entrance standards and something every other schools refuses by putting the university first..however you view it legal or not, on the athletic side of things youve give yourselve an advantage to overpower the extremely week schedule you hvae

(10-18-2014 05:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Wow, you have such a thing for Marshall...

Like a jilted lover or something. Did they deny your student application or something?

Woah woah woah... Marshall has never denied a student application.

Marshall really does look good but sadly we won't really know how good until a bowl game.

(10-19-2014 09:04 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:00 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Mardshall is a fine d1aa program, as they have always been. They are still beating up the same d1aa schools they always did. It is what it is. Can they beat a bad d1 school every now and then. Sure. Does it make them any different than they have always been. No.

Yawn

See, this is the attitude. Great insight.

You are as easy as a female Marshall swimmer with a carrot and a fake clutch

Lol

(10-19-2014 09:31 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:28 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:58 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 08:44 AM)pesik Wrote:  also from cbssports today

in its bowl tracker

"East Carolina (5-1) -- Next Week: vs. UConn

Outlook: Have you ever watched a night game in Dowdy-Ficklen Stadium? Saturday nights might be the best, but I'm expecting a good show from the Pirates fans on Thursday night for a nationally televised broadcast. The Pirates will look to win its sixth game, but most importantly continue the path to a New Years Six bowl game."

and in bowl projections by a different writer
Peach Bowl Dec. 31Atlanta, Ga. At-Large vs. At-Large Georgia vs. East Carolina

More bowl projections from another writer:

PEACH Bowl Marshall vs Ole Miss

Your point?

I don't know why you guys sweat Marshall so hard. You are convinced every AAC team could demolish Marshall, and we have no chance of gaining the Access Bowl. It seems like you are wasting a ton of energy trying to discredit a team you all agree would barely win a game in your conference.

what writer is that? just curious
ive only seen one marshall bcs projection and they believe ecu will lose, not a schedule thing

and no one has said that, most of us would put marshall top 3 in our league at least.. and all have marshall #2 for the access if ecu lossses, above CSU who probably deserves it more on better schedule

most of us think marshall is a good team (how good we dont know) when akron is your best win, you have to question it.

id evven respect beating a bad P5 becuase atleast you beat a team with some talent on it..most of marshall schedule is lucky to get 4 3star guys a year if that..marshall with its non qualifiers are recruiting dramatically better than the rest of the league.. every game you play has more to do with being overmatched

Check your threads man. Memphis fans calling us a DII program. Houston, Temple, UCF, and ECU would most certainly beat us. Marshall does nothing illegal with recruiting. There will be no asterisks after the Marshall W column no matter how greatly you protest. Generally, teams win because they overmatch the opponent.

Do you really believe that? Whenever you have success recruiting violations soon follow.

Great point. How else could you get that kind of talent in Huntington? They sure can't sell tv exposure or great competition.

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(10-19-2014 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  According to objective sources, ECU has a much stronger SOS than Marshall. Sagarin gives ECU and Marshall a 89th and 147th rank while ESPN shows a 81st and 126th rank, respectively.

Assuming each squad wins out, the Committee will have to weigh ECU's tougher schedule with Marshall's unblemished record. It would be interesting to read or hear the expert view of the merits of each team. For example, how would Vegas set the opening line for a Marshall / ECU game?

According to every other objective source, ECU's schedule is only a few spots slightly less terrible than Marshall's. Sagarin is the only popular poll I can think of that shows ECU's schedule a lot higher than Marshall's. RealtimeRPI, warren nolan, ESPN power index, etc all show ECU as having one of the worst schedules in the country with Marshall due to UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, USF being bad and UNC, Vtech, USC not performing as well as expected. And regardless of how Sagarin comes up with SOS formulas, he still has Marshall ranked higher. Marshall is ranked higher in 48 of 50 computers pools by an average of 13 places.

If you're going to use someones SOS formulas then you kind of have to go with their actual rankings of teams as well, since that is how they form everyone's SOS.

(10-19-2014 12:52 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  According to objective sources, ECU has a much stronger SOS than Marshall. Sagarin gives ECU and Marshall a 89th and 147th rank while ESPN shows a 81st and 126th rank, respectively.

Assuming each squad wins out, the Committee will have to weigh ECU's tougher schedule with Marshall's unblemished record. It would be interesting to read or hear the expert view of the merits of each team. For example, how would Vegas set the opening line for a Marshall / ECU game?

According to every other objective source, ECU's schedule is only a few spots slightly less terrible than Marshall's. Sagarin is the only popular poll I can think of that shows ECU's schedule a lot higher than Marshall's. RealtimeRPI, warren nolan, ESPN power index, etc all show ECU as having one of the worst schedules in the country with Marshall due to UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, USF being bad and UNC, Vtech, USC not performing as well as expected. And regardless of how Sagarin comes up with SOS formulas, he still has Marshall ranked higher. Marshall is ranked higher in 48 of 50 computers pools by an average of 13 places.

If you're going to use someones SOS formulas then you kind of have to go with their actual rankings of teams as well, since that is how they form everyone's SOS.

Just beat Marshall. I'm tired of this discussion.

If UAB turns the ballover 3+ times like we've been doing nearly every game lately, it won't happen unfortunately .

(10-19-2014 12:52 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  According to objective sources, ECU has a much stronger SOS than Marshall. Sagarin gives ECU and Marshall a 89th and 147th rank while ESPN shows a 81st and 126th rank, respectively.

Assuming each squad wins out, the Committee will have to weigh ECU's tougher schedule with Marshall's unblemished record. It would be interesting to read or hear the expert view of the merits of each team. For example, how would Vegas set the opening line for a Marshall / ECU game?

According to every other objective source, ECU's schedule is only a few spots slightly less terrible than Marshall's. Sagarin is the only popular poll I can think of that shows ECU's schedule a lot higher than Marshall's. RealtimeRPI, warren nolan, ESPN power index, etc all show ECU as having one of the worst schedules in the country with Marshall due to UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, USF being bad and UNC, Vtech, USC not performing as well as expected. And regardless of how Sagarin comes up with SOS formulas, he still has Marshall ranked higher. Marshall is ranked higher in 48 of 50 computers pools by an average of 13 places.

If you're going to use someones SOS formulas then you kind of have to go with their actual rankings of teams as well, since that is how they form everyone's SOS.

UNC just lost to ND by 7 and beat GT.

(10-19-2014 12:52 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:43 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  According to objective sources, ECU has a much stronger SOS than Marshall. Sagarin gives ECU and Marshall a 89th and 147th rank while ESPN shows a 81st and 126th rank, respectively.

Assuming each squad wins out, the Committee will have to weigh ECU's tougher schedule with Marshall's unblemished record. It would be interesting to read or hear the expert view of the merits of each team. For example, how would Vegas set the opening line for a Marshall / ECU game?

According to every other objective source, ECU's schedule is only a few spots slightly less terrible than Marshall's. Sagarin is the only popular poll I can think of that shows ECU's schedule a lot higher than Marshall's. RealtimeRPI, warren nolan, ESPN power index, etc all show ECU as having one of the worst schedules in the country with Marshall due to UCONN, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, USF being bad and UNC, Vtech, USC not performing as well as expected. And regardless of how Sagarin comes up with SOS formulas, he still has Marshall ranked higher. Marshall is ranked higher in 48 of 50 computers pools by an average of 13 places.

If you're going to use someones SOS formulas then you kind of have to go with their actual rankings of teams as well, since that is how they form everyone's SOS.

You make good points, although SOS is a factor specially mentioned by the Committee for consideration and Marshall has a poor SOS.

It is a matter of opinion, but it is more certain that ECU would go undefeated with Marshall's schedule than vice versa. The best team Marshall has played (according to RealTime.RPI) is MTSU (#67). Marshall only beat MTSU by six points more than Memphis and the Tigers are a 3-3 team that is currently tied for 6th in the AAC. In contrast, ECU has already played three teams with a higher RPI than MTSU and beat two of them.

I have no doubt that Marshall is a good team and indeed may be a better team than ECU. However, the lack of a UNC, Va Tech, or South Carolina caliber game is a legitimate barrier to Marshall's Access Bowl quest.

(10-19-2014 01:08 PM)Shrack Wrote:  If UAB turns the ballover 3+ times like we've been doing nearly every game lately, it won't happen unfortunately .

Look it's a Sasquatch! I mean a UAB fan, there is 1!

The sooner Marshall loses, the better for the AAC board.

The CUSA homers will go away, yet those same posters would take a AAC invite immediately.