(10-20-2014 01:39 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:15 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:32 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Wow. I thought you were just being argumentative. Now I think you might actually believe that fairy tale.

What scenario would have the big east taking us over Louisville and Cincy? I'll hang up and listen

It ain't difficult. It is actually extremely simple. In 2003 the Big East's #1 priority was making football as respectable as possible in an attempt to maintain their automatic BCS bid.

Louisville was a slam dunk because they had an extremely solid football program in 2003. They were head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets because their football program was head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets. They would not have been a slam dunk if they didn't have a solid football program at the time.

In 2003 if Louisville hadn't been to a bowl game in 30 years and Memphis was coming off of 5 straight bowl appearances then Memphis would have been the slam dunk instead of Louisville.

(10-20-2014 09:12 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  1963-12-28 Tangerine Bowl Western Kentucky 27 Coast Guard 0 Tangerine Bowl (Orlando, FL)

What was the effing Tangerine Bowl thinking?

(10-20-2014 01:39 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:15 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:32 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-17-2014 10:04 PM)3601 Wrote:  You actually fell for that geography canard?

#rube

Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Wow. I thought you were just being argumentative. Now I think you might actually believe that fairy tale.

What scenario would have the big east taking us over Louisville and Cincy? I'll hang up and listen

It ain't difficult. It is actually extremely simple. In 2003 the Big East's #1 priority was making football as respectable as possible in an attempt to maintain their automatic BCS bid.

Louisville was a slam dunk because they had an extremely solid football program in 2003. They were head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets because their football program was head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets. They would not have been a slam dunk if they didn't have a solid football program at the time.

In 2003 if Louisville hadn't been to a bowl game in 30 years and Memphis was coming off of 5 straight bowl appearances then Memphis would have been the slam dunk instead of Louisville.

USF was picked over us. Explain that one smart guy. And Houston and TCU were better than us as well as Southern Miss. How come they weren't picked in 2003?

(10-23-2014 08:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:39 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:15 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:32 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Wow. I thought you were just being argumentative. Now I think you might actually believe that fairy tale.

What scenario would have the big east taking us over Louisville and Cincy? I'll hang up and listen

It ain't difficult. It is actually extremely simple. In 2003 the Big East's #1 priority was making football as respectable as possible in an attempt to maintain their automatic BCS bid.

Louisville was a slam dunk because they had an extremely solid football program in 2003. They were head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets because their football program was head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets. They would not have been a slam dunk if they didn't have a solid football program at the time.

In 2003 if Louisville hadn't been to a bowl game in 30 years and Memphis was coming off of 5 straight bowl appearances then Memphis would have been the slam dunk instead of Louisville.

USF was picked over us. Explain that one smart guy. And Houston and TCU were better than us as well as Southern Miss. How come they weren't picked in 2003?

Wasn't the story in 03 "geography" and Eastern Time Zone?

TCU had yet to get on their roll yet.

The Tommy West/DeAngelo run was just starting in 2003. We had been abyssmal in football leading up to then. If football was driving the BE expansion, then it's no wonder the BE didn't take us.

Timing.... Had the BE expanded in 2008, we might have gotten more consideration. We were rocking in both football and men's basketball in 2005/6.

What might have been....
Had Rex Dockery's plane not gone down back after then 1983 season, we may have been in a better spot, football-wise. His 1983 team went 6-4-1, and indications were that the program was on the way up. Louisville's "committment to football" didn't come for a couple of years after that. We made a bad hire with Rey Dempsey, and went back to football irrelevance.

IF the Big 12 gets left out of the playoff this year and next year, especially with a 1 loss team, they WILL expand for a playoff. Especially if one of those teams is Texas!!

They will likely get left out of the playoff this year, unless things go very badly for the other P5s. We will have to wait and see.

I think that their not having a championship game will hurt them very badly in the selction group's eyes.

(10-23-2014 04:06 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  IF the Big 12 gets left out of the playoff this year and next year, especially with a 1 loss team, they WILL expand for a playoff. Especially if one of those teams is Texas!!

They will likely get left out of the playoff this year, unless things go very badly for the other P5s. We will have to wait and see.

I think that their not having a championship game will hurt them very badly in the selction group's eyes.

The B12 is going to add a championship game without expanding, probably next season. The ACC proposed a rule change which would allow conferences to determine their conference champ in whatever manner they prefer. The 12 team minimum would go away. It is expected to pass overwhelmingly in January.

It is why we lost a great shot to get added this last time around.

Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other confrence should support it easily.

Crickets

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

(10-23-2014 08:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 04:06 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  IF the Big 12 gets left out of the playoff this year and next year, especially with a 1 loss team, they WILL expand for a playoff. Especially if one of those teams is Texas!!

They will likely get left out of the playoff this year, unless things go very badly for the other P5s. We will have to wait and see.

I think that their not having a championship game will hurt them very badly in the selction group's eyes.

The B12 is going to add a championship game without expanding, probably next season. The ACC proposed a rule change which would allow conferences to determine their conference champ in whatever manner they prefer. The 12 team minimum would go away. It is expected to pass overwhelmingly in January.

It is why we lost a great shot to get added this last time around.

I know you've probably answered this a million times. If the P5 secedes from NCAA jurisdiction, will new rules get put in place all across the board?

--just wanting to get a secure handle on the big bits of info even though I haven't followed closely.

(10-24-2014 01:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

I don't think any of us have to be in one, if we have enough power, prestige and money to go it alone. Wiki says it all:

"All Notre Dame home games are televised on Notre Dame Football on NBC. Notre Dame is the only individual school to have its own national television contract, declined a subsequent invitation by the Big Ten to join the conference,and is the only independent program to be part of the BCS coalition and its guaranteed payout. These factors help make Notre Dame one of the most financially valuable football programs in the country"

(10-24-2014 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

I don't think any of us have to be in one, if we have enough power, prestige and money to go it alone. Wiki says it all:

"All Notre Dame home games are televised on Notre Dame Football on NBC. Notre Dame is the only individual school to have its own national television contract, declined a subsequent invitation by the Big Ten to join the conference,and is the only independent program to be part of the BCS coalition and its guaranteed payout. These factors help make Notre Dame one of the most financially valuable football programs in the country"

bogus, that allows them the capability to schedule themselves to be in the running every year.

(10-24-2014 01:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

B/c ND can do what they want, b/c they pull such large ratings, and b/c every conference would love to have them. And they are just one team that may or not be in the running. The B12 champ would be in the running almost every year.

(10-24-2014 02:18 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 01:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

I don't think any of us have to be in one, if we have enough power, prestige and money to go it alone. Wiki says it all:

"All Notre Dame home games are televised on Notre Dame Football on NBC. Notre Dame is the only individual school to have its own national television contract, declined a subsequent invitation by the Big Ten to join the conference,and is the only independent program to be part of the BCS coalition and its guaranteed payout. These factors help make Notre Dame one of the most financially valuable football programs in the country"

bogus, that allows them the capability to schedule themselves to be in the running every year.

If they did that, then they would be to the CFP like Marshall is to the G5 slot. And it isn't bogus. ND earned its place by being great for most of 100 years, and for being Catholic and having lots of fans, lol.

(10-24-2014 01:26 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(10-24-2014 12:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Unfortunately, I can see that.... It would double hurt the Big (we don't have) 12. Not only do they have to play every team in their conference, the top two teams would have to play twice.

Suppose Bama played Georgia this year, not only do they not have to play, but that could leave multiple 1 loss teams supposing Bama were to beat State and State beat ole miss. In the Big 12 there would likely be only 1 team only having 1 loss at the end of the season. If there were ever an undefeated team, there would likely be no team with only 1 loss. Double negative for them, every other conference should support it easily.

Yep. The other conferences were actually using ESPN and Fox to pressure the B12 to add a CCG, or they were telling the networks that they would drop theirs. They think it is an unfair advantage that the B12 does not play one now.

Then why doesn't Notre Dame have to be in one?

If you have to ask that question, and if you are serious, then you just don't know football. You know football and you know why ND is where they are. They walk the walk. Good for them.

(10-17-2014 10:01 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Despite what some some uneducated journalists have said, we have fantastic football facilities now. The Liberty Bowl is in fantastic shape. Our football practice facilities are also top notch and we have our new IPF going up soon which is also a beautiful work of art. Our basketball facilities are obviously top notch; especially when the new practice facility is completed. Women's basketball could step it up a bit. Smaller sports such as mens and women's golf, mens and women's soccer, and mens and women's tennis are in good shape. Many STAY in the Top 25. Our baseball program needs to take just a little step up. It would also help if people would actually go to games. As far as the school goes, being granted a research grant was HUGE. We need to improve our academics just a bit, but not near as much as some goofballs think when they talk about "Memphis' poor academics." Despite Shirley Raines not giving a hoot about sports, she DID vastly improve our academic profile during her tenure. We have many grad schools that are very highly rated in the US. Our campus is beautiful. So what's it going to take for Memphis to take the next step up? Easy. Winning in football. (And averaging 45k in attendance)

Nice post

(10-23-2014 08:28 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:39 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:28 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2014 01:15 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(10-19-2014 09:32 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
Ever hear of Southern Miss?


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Wow. I thought you were just being argumentative. Now I think you might actually believe that fairy tale.

What scenario would have the big east taking us over Louisville and Cincy? I'll hang up and listen

It ain't difficult. It is actually extremely simple. In 2003 the Big East's #1 priority was making football as respectable as possible in an attempt to maintain their automatic BCS bid.

Louisville was a slam dunk because they had an extremely solid football program in 2003. They were head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets because their football program was head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion targets. They would not have been a slam dunk if they didn't have a solid football program at the time.

In 2003 if Louisville hadn't been to a bowl game in 30 years and Memphis was coming off of 5 straight bowl appearances then Memphis would have been the slam dunk instead of Louisville.

USF was picked over us. Explain that one smart guy. And Houston and TCU were better than us as well as Southern Miss. How come they weren't picked in 2003?

Check out what USF did in 2001 and 2002. It ain't rocket science.

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I know you've probably answered this a million times. If the P5 secedes from NCAA jurisdiction, will new rules get put in place all across the board?

--just wanting to get a secure handle on the big bits of info even though I haven't followed closely.
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No, but whatever the power conference wants to do they can do without having to worry about the Little Guy voting block.

Now it is schools like ours that has to worry about cost cutting measures by the large group of small colleges. The Tigers are now among the larger athletic budgets once the P5 is officially autonomous.