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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-13-2014 07:43 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 07:31 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  We'd all love to have a Saban here for the next 20 years - or even 5 years. Not likely to happen. BG had Meyer for all of 2 years and we had Saban for 1. No coach has dominated the MAC for any length of time more than maybe 3-4 years. if we take the West and MACC - weak or not - we are poised to have some decent success for a few years. Let Campbell finish the year then evaluate which direction we are headed in.

Second highest paid coach in the MAC learning on the job..... Ugh

Everybody continues to learn on the job....I would hope that is normal
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-14-2014 05:46 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 04:55 PM)T-Town Wrote:  Just to round out the story, I also looked up Pinkel, Beckman and Campbell's records against schools currently in the P5. FYI--- I ignored games against UConn and Temple (when they were in the Big East) because neither is in a P5 conference today.

Pinkel: 3-5 = 37.5%
Stutz: 5-11 = 31.3%
Beckman: 2-5 = 28.6%
Campbell: 0-5 = 0%

That's interesting but not a fire-able offense after two seasons IMO.

So long as the current level of coaching and recruiting remain the same I don't see Campbell going anywhere because we are going to continue to have 7-5 and 8-4 like seasons (although that might be a challenge next year if the pass defense doesn't improve to offset the loss of experience on the O-line). If and when Campbell and his staff develop and improve their skills to the point that they can get an 11-1 or a couple of 10-2 type seasons, then and only then IMO will he be likely to leave.

UT is not Nebraska so a winning season will normally not get you fired (unless you really, really p.o your AD)
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
This is stupid the Rockets are going to be MAC champions this year how can you even want to fire him?
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-14-2014 09:21 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  This is stupid the Rockets are going to be MAC champions this year how can you even want to fire him?

No doubt the top of the MAC is really down this year and it is shaping up as the Rocket's best chance for a MACC in several years now-----and it may be the best chance for next several years as well because the CMU and WMU programs both appear to be on the ascendancy.

At this point the Rockets are definitely in the in the driver's seat for the West which would give them a very good shot at the MACC, but there is still a lot of football to be played and as the old saying goes "still many a slip twixt the cup and lip" is possible so, while I like your optimism, it might be bit early to be clearing off a space in the trophy case just yet.
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-14-2014 09:21 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  This is stupid the Rockets are going to be MAC champions this year how can you even want to fire him?

I agree this season is a prime opportunity to at least get to the MACC.
Winning against whoever the East may put out would be another good test.

Still, not crazy about our head coach. Don't want him fired.
Just serves to minimize my enthusiasm.
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
Nothing was weaker than the 2007 MAC.
2007 MACC CMU 8-6
MACC CMU 8-5 vs Miami O 6-6(6-7)
CMU OOC:
@Clemson 14-70
@Kansas 7-52
North Dakota State 14-44
@Purdue 22-45
Army 47-23
MAC West:
CMU 8-6(CMU 1 Conference loss to NIU).
BSU 7-6
WMU 5-7
UT 5-7
EMU 4-8
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(10-19-2014 10:34 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Nothing was weaker than the 2007 MAC.
2007 MACC CMU 8-6
MACC CMU 8-5 vs Miami O 6-6(6-7)
CMU OOC:
@Clemson 14-70
@Kansas 7-52
North Dakota State 14-44
@Purdue 22-45
Army 47-23
MAC West:
CMU 8-6(CMU 1 Conference loss to NIU).
BSU 7-6
WMU 5-7
UT 5-7
EMU 4-8

I think this season is as bad.
Only NIU looked like it was capable of a better season during the OOC part of the schedule.
NIU still might have a great year and just be having a mid-season slump.
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
I don't want him fired. I want him used as an example of how a program should mold responsible citizens. I want a better W-L record. I don't want to be viewed as the convicts in a Catholics vs convicts game. He was hired as an inexperienced coach. There is only one way to get experience.b
Try hiring a good coach after letting a coach like Campbell go.
Maybe in a year or so, but for now he deserves time.
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(10-19-2014 02:02 PM)lovedagame Wrote:  I don't want him fired. I want him used as an example of how a program should mold responsible citizens. I want a better W-L record. I don't want to be viewed as the convicts in a Catholics vs convicts game. He was hired as an inexperienced coach. There is only one way to get experience.b
Try hiring a good coach after letting a coach like Campbell go.
Maybe in a year or so, but for now he deserves time.

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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-19-2014 10:34 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Nothing was weaker than the 2007 MAC.
2007 MACC CMU 8-6
MACC CMU 8-5 vs Miami O 6-6(6-7)
CMU OOC:
@Clemson 14-70
@Kansas 7-52
North Dakota State 14-44
@Purdue 22-45
Army 47-23
MAC West:
CMU 8-6(CMU 1 Conference loss to NIU).
BSU 7-6
WMU 5-7
UT 5-7
EMU 4-8

Wow. The MAC must have been really, really bad that season. Really embarrassing that CMU was the league champion with OOC results like that.
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
Once the regular season is over, it's about who wants to be there more. Any bad conference's champion can play inspired and beat a big dog in a bowl game. Hopefully Toledo gets that chance... our seniors are mad they didn't get the chance to go bowling last year. They're going to be inspired the rest of the way.

As far as the MACC goes: Assuming we win the West (I know work has to be done):

If toledo draws OU- we're pissed they went to the St. Pete bowl instead of us
If toledo draws BG- rematch and time to go 6-0 for our super seniors
if toledo draws Akron- that's the team who ended UT's season last year
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-14-2014 05:11 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:59 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:32 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:25 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 03:52 PM)magoo Wrote:  I just read through the ISU game thread, and watched the game on ISU's TV stream. I hate to bring this thread up again, but feel the need.
We play the same defense, 10 yds off the ball for 4 years and expect different results (insanity). More disappointing is that we don't seem to improve as the years goes on. (coaching). Remember Akron?
We recruit well for a mid major, but don't develop our players.
I don't want to wait any longer to see if this guy can grow into his job.
Let's cut our losses.
PS. maybe we'll win the west and Campbell can get promoted to Illinois

Just ******* stop. It's not going to happen.

promoted to Illinois, or just stop growing....again

Call up Mike and tell him how you feel and watch how fast he..... A) Laughs at you because you sound ridiculous or B) hangs up the phone.

Just stop before you make yourself look more like a fool.
Coach Campbell is not going to be fired. Magoo, do you go to any of the games? Have you ever been to a practice? Campbell is a great teacher. The team love him. Yes, our secondary is still weak, we have the best offensive line in the MAC, 4 very good running backs and a defensive line and linebackers that can play with any team in the MAC. So, why don't you just zip your lip.

I do got to the home weekend games and watch every game on the stream....sorry haven't been to practice. As for being a fool, I guess my you've missed my point.... Amstutz was well liked, and look what that got us! he might be a good teacher, but the students don't improve. We don't make adjustments coming out of half time that are effective, if made. we can't be disciplined if we have to many players on the field after a time out. He's a nice young coach who needs to be a coordinator. We somehow don't improve during the season despite his teachings. How many 7-5 years are you willing to wat?
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RE: Fire Coach Campbell
(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 05:11 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:59 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:32 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:25 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Just ******* stop. It's not going to happen.

promoted to Illinois, or just stop growing....again

Call up Mike and tell him how you feel and watch how fast he..... A) Laughs at you because you sound ridiculous or B) hangs up the phone.

Just stop before you make yourself look more like a fool.
Coach Campbell is not going to be fired. Magoo, do you go to any of the games? Have you ever been to a practice? Campbell is a great teacher. The team love him. Yes, our secondary is still weak, we have the best offensive line in the MAC, 4 very good running backs and a defensive line and linebackers that can play with any team in the MAC. So, why don't you just zip your lip.

I do got to the home weekend games and watch every game on the stream....sorry haven't been to practice. As for being a fool, I guess my you've missed my point.... Amstutz was well liked, and look what that got us! he might be a good teacher, but the students don't improve. We don't make adjustments coming out of half time that are effective, if made. we can't be disciplined if we have to many players on the field after a time out. He's a nice young coach who needs to be a coordinator. We somehow don't improve during the season despite his teachings. How many 7-5 years are you willing to wat?

I'm throwing out random games here:
Campbell is:
1-1 in bowl games
1-1 vs. Cincy
3-0 vs. FCS top 20
0-3 vs. SEC
0-1 vs. Iowa State
0-1 vs. Arizona
1-0 vs. Navy
1-0 vs. Wyoming
9-4 in 2012
7-5 in 2013
3-0 vs. WMU
2-0 vs. EMU
2-0 vs. BG
3-0 vs. CMU
1-2 vs. BSU
2-0 vs. Buffalo
1-1 vs. Akron
0-3 vs. NIU

He will probably finish better than 7-5 this season... just saying.
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(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)magoo Wrote:  I do got to the home weekend games and watch every game on the stream....sorry haven't been to practice. As for being a fool, I guess my you've missed my point.... Amstutz was well liked, and look what that got us! he might be a good teacher, but the students don't improve. We don't make adjustments coming out of half time that are effective, if made. we can't be disciplined if we have to many players on the field after a time out. He's a nice young coach who needs to be a coordinator. We somehow don't improve during the season despite his teachings. How many 7-5 years are you willing to wat?

I have to disagree about halftime adjustments. I think the team makes some really great adjustments at the half. Just look at the Cincinnati and WMU games.

The adjustments are good, I just wish we could make them on the fly instead of waiting for halftime.
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(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-14-2014 05:11 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:59 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:32 PM)magoo Wrote:  
(10-13-2014 06:25 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Just ******* stop. It's not going to happen.

promoted to Illinois, or just stop growing....again

Call up Mike and tell him how you feel and watch how fast he..... A) Laughs at you because you sound ridiculous or B) hangs up the phone.

Just stop before you make yourself look more like a fool.
Coach Campbell is not going to be fired. Magoo, do you go to any of the games? Have you ever been to a practice? Campbell is a great teacher. The team love him. Yes, our secondary is still weak, we have the best offensive line in the MAC, 4 very good running backs and a defensive line and linebackers that can play with any team in the MAC. So, why don't you just zip your lip.

I do got to the home weekend games and watch every game on the stream....sorry haven't been to practice. As for being a fool, I guess my you've missed my point.... Amstutz was well liked, and look what that got us! he might be a good teacher, but the students don't improve. We don't make adjustments coming out of half time that are effective, if made. we can't be disciplined if we have to many players on the field after a time out. He's a nice young coach who needs to be a coordinator. We somehow don't improve during the season despite his teachings. How many 7-5 years are you willing to wat?

Campbell has one 7-5 season and it is considered a trend? He has records of 9-4 and 7-5 in two seasons. He isn't even through his third full season. If he had several 7-5 type seasons in a row, I would understand the concern, but not just one.
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(10-13-2014 05:40 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Brady Hoke should be available at the end of the season.

this appears to be 99.3% certainty
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(10-20-2014 04:30 PM)Photodan Wrote:  
(10-20-2014 02:12 PM)magoo Wrote:  I do got to the home weekend games and watch every game on the stream....sorry haven't been to practice. As for being a fool, I guess my you've missed my point.... Amstutz was well liked, and look what that got us! he might be a good teacher, but the students don't improve. We don't make adjustments coming out of half time that are effective, if made. we can't be disciplined if we have to many players on the field after a time out. He's a nice young coach who needs to be a coordinator. We somehow don't improve during the season despite his teachings. How many 7-5 years are you willing to wat?

I have to disagree about halftime adjustments. I think the team makes some really great adjustments at the half. Just look at the Cincinnati and WMU games.

The adjustments are good, I just wish we could make them on the fly instead of waiting for halftime.

Missouri and New Hampshire as well. The third quarter has been extremely strong for the team this season. It's too bad there have been some deep holes to dig out of and in the Missouri and Cincy games, the players looked spent in the 4th quarter.
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Felt the need to revive this thread....its been a month since the last post!
As frustrated as everyone is with the Northern loss, I was proud that the players didn't mail it in after all of the injuries at QB.
That said, this coaching staff continues to make bone head decisions (like the bubble screen on 4th down). Our team doesn't improve during the year, which is coaching! Our defense doesn't change and looks just like it did in game 1. Players, like TO as an example, don't grow/improve which I can only blame on coaching. Campbell appears to be a nice guy, seems to have academics in order, but just in over his head from a coaching perspective. I firmly believe that the best the Rockets will be is 7-5 under this coach and that isn't good enough for this alum.
PS for the haters, I'm driving 200 mi. (again) to be at the BGSU game
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(11-14-2014 12:57 PM)magoo Wrote:  Felt the need to revive this thread....its been a month since the last post!
As frustrated as everyone is with the Northern loss, I was proud that the players didn't mail it in after all of the injuries at QB.
That said, this coaching staff continues to make bone head decisions (like the bubble screen on 4th down). Our team doesn't improve during the year, which is coaching! Our defense doesn't change and looks just like it did in game 1. Players, like TO as an example, don't grow/improve which I can only blame on coaching. Campbell appears to be a nice guy, seems to have academics in order, but just in over his head from a coaching perspective. I firmly believe that the best the Rockets will be is 7-5 under this coach and that isn't good enough for this alum.
PS for the haters, I'm driving 200 mi. (again) to be at the BGSU game
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