(09-18-2014 05:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:13 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 06:40 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 12:15 PM)7 Wrote:  NIU is 3-0.

Any of the teams the Huskies have played so far likely to be a Bowl team after the regular season?

Has Toledo beaten a bowl team...wait. It's easy to talk about how good your opponents are when you lose. Makes it easier to tear down other teams wins.

Well we lost to better teams than you've beaten. To you tell people in Boca that your grandpa can beat up their grandpa?

I'D RATHER HAVE WINS against Northwestern and UNLV.

It really doesn't tell you where your program is at

That ridiculous. It says you can defeat a typically competent Big Ten school. Not a doormat like Indiana who even still can take MAC teams to the woodshed.
And playing other mid-majors is something I would like us to do more routinely. Play and defeat them that is.
A loss to UNLV would surely give some hint where the program is. SO why doesn't a victory

To whom ever it may concern, the program is just fine. Two losses (not blowouts) and people are venturing out on the ledge. It's a beautiful evening, relax, enjoy your family, or the company of friends.
Get ready for a beautiful upcoming Saturday at the GB, come out, watching your Rockets get back on track...

(09-18-2014 06:14 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  To whom ever it may concern, the program is just fine. Two losses (not blowouts) and people are venturing out on the ledge. It's a beautiful evening, relax, enjoy your family, or the company of friends.
Get ready for a beautiful upcoming Saturday at the GB, come out, watching your Rockets get back on track...

ok - sounds good now. But when we show up for Ball State, we should be able to expect a performance from UT that indicates the program is moving in the right direction. We ended the year in 2013 with losses to NIU then Akron, and have beaten New Hampshire and lost to Mizzou and Cinci. There has not been a lot to be happy about - and saying they are good programs still doesn't sit well with me. For the better part of all of those games - it is like we did not show up. That reflects on coaching. That is my concern - and has been - with the young staff that prided itself on having more energy to outwork everyone. Never bought into that.

(09-18-2014 06:03 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:13 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 06:40 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Any of the teams the Huskies have played so far likely to be a Bowl team after the regular season?

Has Toledo beaten a bowl team...wait. It's easy to talk about how good your opponents are when you lose. Makes it easier to tear down other teams wins.

Well we lost to better teams than you've beaten. To you tell people in Boca that your grandpa can beat up their grandpa?

I'D RATHER HAVE WINS against Northwestern and UNLV.

It really doesn't tell you where your program is at

That ridiculous. It says you can defeat a typically competent Big Ten school. Not a doormat like Indiana who even still can take MAC teams to the woodshed.
And playing other mid-majors is something I would like us to do more routinely. Play and defeat them that is.
A loss to UNLV would surely give some hint where the program is. SO why doesn't a victory

Right now the Big 10 is the laughing stock of major college FB and word is how poor the talent is in the Midwest ,so go ahead and think in terms of 5-10 years ago.

(09-18-2014 07:59 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 06:03 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:13 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-16-2014 06:40 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Has Toledo beaten a bowl team...wait. It's easy to talk about how good your opponents are when you lose. Makes it easier to tear down other teams wins.

Well we lost to better teams than you've beaten. To you tell people in Boca that your grandpa can beat up their grandpa?

I'D RATHER HAVE WINS against Northwestern and UNLV.

It really doesn't tell you where your program is at

That ridiculous. It says you can defeat a typically competent Big Ten school. Not a doormat like Indiana who even still can take MAC teams to the woodshed.
And playing other mid-majors is something I would like us to do more routinely. Play and defeat them that is.
A loss to UNLV would surely give some hint where the program is. SO why doesn't a victory

Right now the Big 10 is the laughing stock of major college FB and word is how poor the talent is in the Midwest ,so go ahead and think in terms of 5-10 years ago.

OK
Beating Big Ten is no longer a measuring stick for MAC teams.
Because everyone knows they stink.
Of course they stink because of losses to MAC schools and a #2 team in the country beating the defending Rose Bowl champ. And a OSU minus one Heisman candidate losing to VA Tech.

But I think beating a Big Ten team for a MAC school is better than losing to a SEC school any day of the week. 10 years ago or today. And beating UNLV is better than losing to UC who we defeated the consecutive games and I don't even know what conference they belong to in all honesty.

(09-18-2014 10:24 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:59 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 06:03 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:13 PM)owen Wrote:  I'D RATHER HAVE WINS against Northwestern and UNLV.

It really doesn't tell you where your program is at

That ridiculous. It says you can defeat a typically competent Big Ten school. Not a doormat like Indiana who even still can take MAC teams to the woodshed.
And playing other mid-majors is something I would like us to do more routinely. Play and defeat them that is.
A loss to UNLV would surely give some hint where the program is. SO why doesn't a victory

Right now the Big 10 is the laughing stock of major college FB and word is how poor the talent is in the Midwest ,so go ahead and think in terms of 5-10 years ago.

OK
Beating Big Ten is no longer a measuring stick for MAC teams.
Because everyone knows they stink.
Of course they stink because of losses to MAC schools and a #2 team in the country beating the defending Rose Bowl champ. And a OSU minus one Heisman candidate losing to VA Tech.

But I think beating a Big Ten team for a MAC school is better than losing to a SEC school any day of the week. 10 years ago or today. And beating UNLV is better than losing to UC who we defeated the consecutive games and I don't even know what conference they belong to in all honesty.

Might as well drop to FCS level and win, because winning is better than trying to compete at the highest level. I personally would rather schedule Top 20 teams and lose than play a cupcake schedule. I don't find beating the Little Sisters of the Poor 62-0 interesting in the least.

(09-18-2014 11:02 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 10:24 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 07:59 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 06:03 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 05:31 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  It really doesn't tell you where your program is at

That ridiculous. It says you can defeat a typically competent Big Ten school. Not a doormat like Indiana who even still can take MAC teams to the woodshed.
And playing other mid-majors is something I would like us to do more routinely. Play and defeat them that is.
A loss to UNLV would surely give some hint where the program is. SO why doesn't a victory

Right now the Big 10 is the laughing stock of major college FB and word is how poor the talent is in the Midwest ,so go ahead and think in terms of 5-10 years ago.

OK
Beating Big Ten is no longer a measuring stick for MAC teams.
Because everyone knows they stink.
Of course they stink because of losses to MAC schools and a #2 team in the country beating the defending Rose Bowl champ. And a OSU minus one Heisman candidate losing to VA Tech.

But I think beating a Big Ten team for a MAC school is better than losing to a SEC school any day of the week. 10 years ago or today. And beating UNLV is better than losing to UC who we defeated the consecutive games and I don't even know what conference they belong to in all honesty.

Might as well drop to FCS level and win, because winning is better than trying to compete at the highest level. I personally would rather schedule Top 20 teams and lose than play a cupcake schedule. I don't find beating the Little Sisters of the Poor 62-0 interesting in the least.

We don't play EMU every week. And I can't think of the last time we handed them that kind of beat down. (62-0)

There aren't any "poor" teams in the Big Ten. There are just the less wealthy among them.

Quote:But I think beating a Big Ten team for a MAC school is better than losing to a SEC school any day of the week.

Yeah, that's a good point. Beating NW, Purdue, Illinois, or Indiana -- is better than losing by 28+ pts to a PAC12 or SEC team. Beating a 4-8 Mountain West team by 14, is better than losing to a good AAC team like Cinci or ECU by 20.

It doesn't mean having a terribly soft schedule.

My Preferred OOC schedule, running a good winning MAC team:
- Colorado
- Northwestern
- Syracuse
- UNC

* You COULD beat any one of them -- you're getting a good bang for the buck of attendance $$ + not losing them all. And each year, not all are going to be under .500.

Rather Than:
- Baptist State
- Kansas State
- Missouri
- Ohio State

* Besides the easy D1AA team, over the course of 3 years, you'll be 1-8 if you have a good year vs a bad year by them and it's one of those 2-1 situations. More attendance $$, worse record, even when you are good.

I'd rather be an 11+ win team over the last 4 years like NIU was, than have 8W years, but possibly/maybe about as good -- but not being able to know it by losing to super-tough competition OOC, where that margin of victory washes it away for most of the losses. (See CMU vs NIU debate of 4 year runs)

NIU is a wierd case because they were never tested coming into MAC play. On a soft schedule you may not be ready for MAC play. You also may not be as banged up...

Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

(09-21-2014 11:10 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

Unfortunately, Markus Golden was available for the game in the GB.
Just like UF's QB Jeff Driskel and DT Dominique Easley played against UT in the opener, but not in the 20-26 loss to Ga. Southern last season.

(09-22-2014 01:00 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:10 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

Unfortunately, Markus Golden was available for the game in the GB.
Just like UF's QB Jeff Driskel and DT Dominique Easley played against UT in the opener, but not in the 20-26 loss to Ga. Southern last season.

If we could have defeated OSU in that miserable season they had when we last faced them at the Horseshoe I never would have cared who was out. Only that we won.
Same with how ridiculously bad UM was when we defeated them.
Or that Penn St was in the 2nd or 3rd game of what would prove to be a very poor season when we defeated them.

So I would rather not take away Ga. Southern's big win or credit them for defeating a SEC opponent for who was on the active roster the day they played a common opponent.

Losing to an SEC team that will finish in the top half in defense and be .500 or greater isnt a terrible life lesson. NIU got smoked too and didnt put up offensive numbers like we did.

(09-21-2014 11:10 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

ha ha

(09-24-2014 06:22 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 01:00 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:10 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

Unfortunately, Markus Golden was available for the game in the GB.
Just like UF's QB Jeff Driskel and DT Dominique Easley played against UT in the opener, but not in the 20-26 loss to Ga. Southern last season.

If we could have defeated OSU in that miserable season they had when we last faced them at the Horseshoe I never would have cared who was out. Only that we won.
Same with how ridiculously bad UM was when we defeated them.
Or that Penn St was in the 2nd or 3rd game of what would prove to be a very poor season when we defeated them.

So I would rather not take away Ga. Southern's big win or credit them for defeating a SEC opponent for who was on the active roster the day they played a common opponent.

You may want to remember that the year we beat a 3-8 UM team - we also went 3-8. (or 3-9 - whatever it was, we had the same record - but with one of our wins being against UM. They loved us because it helped them get rid of RichRod.

Michigan was 4-8 and we were 3-9. Worst season in Toledo history pretty much... unless you go way back. Still kept the streak alive of beating P5 teams.

(09-25-2014 02:12 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Michigan was 4-8 and we were 3-9. Worst season in Toledo history pretty much... unless you go way back. Still kept the streak alive of beating P5 teams.

UM's(3-9) 2008 wins were Miami O, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

(09-24-2014 07:51 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(09-24-2014 06:22 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-22-2014 01:00 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-21-2014 11:10 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Beating a Big Ten team is good any day of the week.

Losing to an SEC team who then loses to Indiana who was previously beaten by BGSucks is bad any day of the week.

Unfortunately, Markus Golden was available for the game in the GB.
Just like UF's QB Jeff Driskel and DT Dominique Easley played against UT in the opener, but not in the 20-26 loss to Ga. Southern last season.

If we could have defeated OSU in that miserable season they had when we last faced them at the Horseshoe I never would have cared who was out. Only that we won.
Same with how ridiculously bad UM was when we defeated them.
Or that Penn St was in the 2nd or 3rd game of what would prove to be a very poor season when we defeated them.

So I would rather not take away Ga. Southern's big win or credit them for defeating a SEC opponent for who was on the active roster the day they played a common opponent.

You may want to remember that the year we beat a 3-8 UM team - we also went 3-8. (or 3-9 - whatever it was, we had the same record - but with one of our wins being against UM. They loved us because it helped them get rid of RichRod.

After that game, I was a bit torn. I loved that the Rockets went up to UM and beat them, but I thought that win was going to save Amstutz' job at UT which I was on the side that really wanted to see him go.

Amstutz is a great coach but not a good recruiter. Was sad to get rid of such a "Toledo" guy but needed to be done for the program.