We are fans, that's what we do best. Got to stick up for my team!
I won't let a random fan come to our board and lead him to believe his claims are truth because they are 3-0? When you knock our run game because of UNH, you deserve it back if you had similar results vs. a team who struggles all over the field.

Your opinion is your opinion though. If you think they have anyone like Kareem, JDM, and Remy... That's all you bro.

(09-17-2014 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We are fans, that's what we do best. Got to stick up for my team!
I won't let a random fan come to our board and lead him to believe his claims are truth because they are 3-0? When you knock our run game because of UNH, you deserve it back if you had similar results vs. a team who struggles all over the field.

Your opinion is your opinion though. If you think they have anyone like Kareem, JDM, and Remy... That's all you bro.

I think Hunt is one of the most talented players in the MAC. He's a special player. We have had great individual players many times over the last 10 years. I'm rooting for Hunt to be the best offensive player in the MAC this year. All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We are fans, that's what we do best. Got to stick up for my team!
I won't let a random fan come to our board and lead him to believe his claims are truth because they are 3-0? When you knock our run game because of UNH, you deserve it back if you had similar results vs. a team who struggles all over the field.

Your opinion is your opinion though. If you think they have anyone like Kareem, JDM, and Remy... That's all you bro.

I think Hunt is one of the most talented players in the MAC. He's a special player. We have had great individual players many times over the last 10 years. I'm rooting for Hunt to be the best offensive player in the MAC this year. All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:09 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We are fans, that's what we do best. Got to stick up for my team!
I won't let a random fan come to our board and lead him to believe his claims are truth because they are 3-0? When you knock our run game because of UNH, you deserve it back if you had similar results vs. a team who struggles all over the field.

Your opinion is your opinion though. If you think they have anyone like Kareem, JDM, and Remy... That's all you bro.

I think Hunt is one of the most talented players in the MAC. He's a special player. We have had great individual players many times over the last 10 years. I'm rooting for Hunt to be the best offensive player in the MAC this year. All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

I hate when people say "so and so is the best until someone knocks them off." That's so garbage. Plus, NIU didn't win the MAC last year, so your argument is invalid.

Just because a team win the MAC doesn't mean they automatically are the best team and best at every position the next year. Things change year by year, week by week.

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The leading rusher for eight of the last 14 seasons has been from NIU. That span covers four different coaches. They have a formula and it works. Like I said, if Toledo is the best rushing team in the MAC, then prove it.

Also, in 2012 UT finished two games behind NIU in the standings and in third place in the division. So third place in the division is a success for the supposedly most talented team in the MAC?

Hindsight will be 20/20, but I love the optimism. We have the talent, but that doesn't mean that they and our coaching staff will deliver, or that our players will stay healthy. We have to face NIU, Ball State, BG, and Iowa State. None of these are going to be easy, and we still have CMU (not easy) and WMU/EMU (who may not just lie down).

As I've said before, I am still an optimistic as well and I am a big fan of Woodside, he is a blast to watch. I don't really see losing Ely as a drop off from what I've seen thus far. However, if our pass D doesn't improve and if we can't get stops on 3rd down, we won't win all those tough games and could easily lose 2 to 3 more games this year. If we can lose only one of these games (and not to NIU), then we MAY be able to compete for a MACC.

Just my 0.02...

P.S. IMHO, as an indicator this week: if we have a good team of MACC quality, we will beat Ball State by at least 2-3 TD's.

(09-17-2014 09:46 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  The leading rusher for eight of the last 14 seasons has been from NIU. That span covers four different coaches. They have a formula and it works. Like I said, if Toledo is the best rushing team in the MAC, then prove it.

Harnish Harnish, Lynch Lynch... QB runners. A different attack than most teams.
They have had good backs too don't get me wrong. Wolf and Turner come to mind.

I feel Fluellen, Thomas, Williams(Fr. year), Collins, Parmalee, and Dawson were always as good as it gets as an actual player in the backfield. We have had our fair share of injuries recently at the RB position, but that's a position Toledo has held their own at.

This RB debate started this week and will probably continue most of the season. Fact of the matter is neither teams have played enough games or have common opponents to base it on. SATURDAY COME FASTER!

(09-17-2014 10:15 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:46 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  The leading rusher for eight of the last 14 seasons has been from NIU. That span covers four different coaches. They have a formula and it works. Like I said, if Toledo is the best rushing team in the MAC, then prove it.

Harnish Harnish, Lynch Lynch... QB runners. A different attack than most teams.
They have had good backs too don't get me wrong. Wolf and Turner come to mind.

I feel Fluellen, Thomas, Williams(Fr. year), Collins, Parmalee, and Dawson were always as good as it gets as an actual player in the backfield. We have had our fair share of injuries recently at the RB position, but that's a position Toledo has held their own at.

This RB debate started this week and will probably continue most of the season. Fact of the matter is neither teams have played enough games or have common opponents to base it on. SATURDAY COME FASTER!

Pure gospel right there in bold. Beat the Cardinals and start building from there.

I believe BSU's last game is still posted on ESPN3 as a replay if anyone would like to get a look at them before Saturday.

(09-17-2014 09:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

The 2011 team was a good one. Loss to OSU and the stolen game at Syracuse made that season a major disappointment. The single worst season of bad officiating these Rockets have even suffered through. Turned a dream season into an also ran season.
But they were in the hunt for the MACC game until the end.

The team in 2012 UT already lost to Ball St before we got to that NIU game. And that really sunk our prospects even though we got close.

(09-17-2014 07:43 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

The 2011 team was a good one. Loss to OSU and the stolen game at Syracuse made that season a major disappointment. The single worst season of bad officiating these Rockets have even suffered through. Turned a dream season into an also ran season.
But they were in the hunt for the MACC game until the end.

The team in 2012 UT already lost to Ball St before we got to that NIU game. And that really sunk our prospects even though we got close.

Since UT last appeared in the MACC game, the following teams have all made an appearance: NIU (5 appearances), CMU & Ohio (3 appearances each), Miami (2), and one each by Akron, Ball State, Buffalo, Kent State and Bowling Green. That is 9 of the 13 teams in the league have played for a MACC since UT last appeared in that game-----only 3 have been absent from the MACC game longer than UT (EMU, WMU & UMASS). Of course a decade without a MACC in football is a lot better than the > 1/3 of a century since the MBB won a MAC tournament championship, but is still a disappointment nevertheless.

This is the year to break the drought in football (& MBB) because next year the Rockets will be missing five 5th year seniors off the offensive line and I have to believe that is going negatively impact both the running and passing offense next season.

(09-17-2014 07:43 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

The 2011 team was a good one. Loss to OSU and the stolen game at Syracuse made that season a major disappointment. The single worst season of bad officiating these Rockets have even suffered through. Turned a dream season into an also ran season.
But they were in the hunt for the MACC game until the end.

The team in 2012 UT already lost to Ball St before we got to that NIU game. And that really sunk our prospects even though we got close.

A win over NIU and Akron in 2012 would have put UT in the MACC, even with the loss to the Cardinals.

Good point. Next year will be telling as far as recruiting goes.

(09-17-2014 09:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:43 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

The 2011 team was a good one. Loss to OSU and the stolen game at Syracuse made that season a major disappointment. The single worst season of bad officiating these Rockets have even suffered through. Turned a dream season into an also ran season.
But they were in the hunt for the MACC game until the end.

The team in 2012 UT already lost to Ball St before we got to that NIU game. And that really sunk our prospects even though we got close.

A win over NIU and Akron in 2012 would have put UT in the MACC, even with the loss to the Cardinals.

You are right. It would have created a three-way tie for the West Championship and UT held the tie-breaker over Ball St. and NIU (which I believe had something to do with wins over the better East division teams).

In any event losing to NIU the past four years has cost UT several chances at a MACC, just as having to play for the MACC against Marshall at Marshall all those times may have cost UT a MACC as well.

Quote:I think 9-3 or 10-2 is still possible. We have played the best two teams on the schedule, except for NIU. The MAC goes through them again. Even if we lose another one of these next two, we will probably be 4-1 going to NIU.

Toledo's dangerous. They Could go 9-3, true. But what unimpressed me is despite being able to put up yards, Cinci was still pouncing on them. Toledo NEEDED that 3rd Q, but it seemed like after that their D set in. I actually thought Toledo was the slight or possible favorite last year against NIU since it was in the Glass.

However, the problem with Toledo is it's D. It can step up, but it can also certain step down. But hey, Missouri looked good after Toledo -- and if Cinci wins the AAC with 0 or 1 loss or whatever, then that game won't look so bad. Either way, Toledo's got to shore up the D to beat:

- @Iowa State [50/50]
- @NIU [40/60]
- Bowling Green [50/50]

When your D isn't as good as it should be, and when you can put up great yards but not have the points follow in many stretches where you do, ya tend to be on the losing side of those 50/50 games. Toledo will need to get their stuff together to go 2-1 there.

Then at least have things rolling with stability (as I see Toledo as a bit too shaky) to win ALL of:
- BSU [60/40]
- CMU [60/40]
- @WMU [65/45] (could be a surprise game; WMU is improved & has weapons)
- UMass [70/30] (they seem improved going to-to-toe with Colorado & Vandy; don't want to play Bad that game)
- @Kent [80/20] (okay, they really suck)
- @EMU [80/20] (by end of year game, improved with new coach? maybe, but they'll still suck)

I see Toledo with 2 more losses, the way they're rolling. A solid surprise if they only lose 1 more (I'd bet $15 against that). A huge shocker if they don't lose any more (I'd bet the farm against that one).

2010- some butt whoopings but 8-5 and a sad 4th and 17 by T.Y Hilton.
2011- almost so close to Ohio State, Boise in the Glass Bowl and Syracuse wtf field goal but a bowl win. 9-4
2012- so close to Arizona and an aweful 3rd quarter vs. NIU but was in line to take the West. Injury filled bowl game vs. an awesome Utah State team puts an end to a season we were ranked in week 9.
2013- nothing clicked but Toledo still showed up and never got beat very hard all season. The year of the poor 4th quarters.

As bad as we can make those seasons sound.... TOLEDO BEAT BGSUCKS EVERY SEASON!

WMU WISHES THEY HAD WHAT WE HAD. BALL STATE IS GOING TO BE WISHING THEY HAD THIS CONSISTANCY. Except for product of being in the east, it's been NIU who really has been the only team with more bragging rights than us. We make it sound so so bad, but it's because we are always close. We are like the fricken Detroit Tigers. It will pay off guys.

(09-18-2014 09:02 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We make it sound so so bad, but it's because we are always close. We are like the fricken Detroit Tigers. It will pay off guys.

I pretty much agree with what you are saying except for your very last sentence. As the saying goes being close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades and it certainly does not assure any future success on the gridiron. I don't know if you are old enough to remember all those great Vikings teams that Bud Grant took to the Super Bowl in the 1970's-----but they never won in 4 tries, and guess what? They have not be in a super bowl game since then. You always need to make the most of every opportunity that comes your way because nothing is promised and there is no telling when or even if a similar opportunity may present itself again.

(09-17-2014 09:21 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 07:43 PM)owen Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 09:14 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-17-2014 08:52 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  All that said, NIU is the best offensive team in the MAC until proven otherwise. The offense has been consistent through multiple coaches and personnel. During that time, UT hasn't even been able to sniff the MAC Championship game. Nov. 11th is circled on my calendar and hopefully we can topple the Huskies.

Toledo missed the 2011 and 2012 MACC by 3 point and 7 point losses to NIU. I wouldn't exactly call that not sniffing. Considering 2012 was NIU's best team ever and they went to the Orange Bowl and UT lost by 7, those Rocket have been terrible haven't they.

The 2011 team was a good one. Loss to OSU and the stolen game at Syracuse made that season a major disappointment. The single worst season of bad officiating these Rockets have even suffered through. Turned a dream season into an also ran season.
But they were in the hunt for the MACC game until the end.

The team in 2012 UT already lost to Ball St before we got to that NIU game. And that really sunk our prospects even though we got close.

A win over NIU and Akron in 2012 would have put UT in the MACC, even with the loss to the Cardinals.

Yes I know.
I wasn't either supporting or knocking your argument of being in the chase for a MAC West title.
I just think the BSU defeat took too much wind out of the sails.

toledo needs to recruit some hard hitters to right the ship in the future. it wouldnt hurt to cherry pick from one school and get a boat load of players.


whoa chemistry! what an idea!

This guy has some thoughts about our team: Worth a watch