In the aftermath of our loss, I guess I wasn't too terribly disappointed, we fought our way back into the game, but we're still the same team from the past ten years. We're the team that makes the drive killing mistake or penalty that takes points off the board. We haven't played a complete game since the 42-0 thrashing of Marshall. Look at how many points we took off the scoreboard ourselves, two missed FG's, Woodside's dropped pass. Turnovers always kill you and our kickoff fumble led directly to points for them. Olack dropped a potential TD and how he keeps getting into the line-up after his multiple drops the past two years is beyond me. He makes one good catch per game, and then has 4 drops. Those two don't even out. And again why are our guys running a two yard pass pattern when we need 4 for the first down?

My take away is that even with the iffy receiving corps, I'm fine with the offense, OL and with Woodside running the show. We need Hunt, but the combination of his back ups will be serviceable once we run him into the ground and get him hurt. Right now Hunt is our only "go-to" reliable offense. Our D-line and linebackers are solid, but the secondary couldn't cover my HS water boys playing touch football. These are all painfully obvious observations, but hey this is a message board and I get the John Madden "obvious" award this week.

I am still confused about the offensive pass interference penalty in the 4th quarter and was that the play Woodside got elbowed to the head, I missed the elbow because I was flabbergasted on the interference flag. We had another drive killing set of penalties on a kick off and then the holding call. Just killer.

Even giving up the huge lead, we still had a shot if we wouldn't have shot ourselves in the foot multiple times.

Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

Agree

We will win 8 at least thinking we can split the 4 tougher games we have. I see only 4 loseable games. ISU. BSU. NIU and probably BG. Although we have them and CMUs number. 7-5 is dead bottom for us. 10-2 is still possible if we get healthy and make some changes. NO ONE HAS OR WILL STOP OUR RUNNING GAME. The least we will score this season was vs. MIZZOU.

That is not good enough. If we lose to ISU, this season will officially qualify as a disappointment.

The OOC games MATTER.

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... we keep playing 10 yds off the ball with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

(09-14-2014 08:22 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... we keep playing 10 yds off the ball with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

Tubberville's and Pinkel's salaries are each in excess of $2.2 million. That's about the going fare these days. Open up your pockets and the Adminstration will bring in the type of Coach you want. Btw, Tubberville was the National Coach of the Year while at Auburn. He didn't seem to have an adjustment for Toledo's Offense. So far Bowden has won 7 games
at Akron with this being his 3rd season. Toledo's ability to compete with the Big's on a consistent basis is more a function with being in the MAC than anything else. AAC is a better Conference than the MAC-budgets, facilities, National Championships, etc.

(09-14-2014 09:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 08:22 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... we keep playing 10 yds off the ball with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

Tubberville's and Pinkel's salaries are each in excess of $2.2 million. That's about the going fare these days. Open up your pockets and the Adminstration will bring in the type of Coach you want. Btw, Tubberville was the National Coach of the Year while at Auburn. He didn't seem to have an adjustment for Toledo's Offense. So far Bowden has won 7 games
at Akron with this being his 3rd season. Toledo's ability to compete with the Big's on a consistent basis is more a function with being in the MAC than anything else. AAC is a better Conference than the MAC-budgets, facilities, National Championships, etc.

If Cinci cam pay Tuberville $3.1 million, Toledo ought to be able to pay at least half of that for a REAL coach. If its the MAC that's holdingus back, I hope we are aggressively looking for better options.

(09-14-2014 09:48 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 08:22 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... we keep playing 10 yds off the ball with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

Tubberville's and Pinkel's salaries are each in excess of $2.2 million. That's about the going fare these days. Open up your pockets and the Adminstration will bring in the type of Coach you want. Btw, Tubberville was the National Coach of the Year while at Auburn. He didn't seem to have an adjustment for Toledo's Offense. So far Bowden has won 7 games
at Akron with this being his 3rd season. Toledo's ability to compete with the Big's on a consistent basis is more a function with being in the MAC than anything else. AAC is a better Conference than the MAC-budgets, facilities, National Championships, etc.

If Cinci cam pay Tuberville $3.1 million, Toledo ought to be able to pay at least half of that for a REAL coach. If its the MAC that's holdingus back, I hope we are aggressively looking for better options.

I would think the University would have difficult time justifying paying a football coach 1.5 million to the public and its faculty. There would have to be some king of major conference change or dramatic increase in public attendance for that to happen.

(09-14-2014 10:25 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:48 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 09:28 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 08:22 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... we keep playing 10 yds off the ball with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

Tubberville's and Pinkel's salaries are each in excess of $2.2 million. That's about the going fare these days. Open up your pockets and the Adminstration will bring in the type of Coach you want. Btw, Tubberville was the National Coach of the Year while at Auburn. He didn't seem to have an adjustment for Toledo's Offense. So far Bowden has won 7 games
at Akron with this being his 3rd season. Toledo's ability to compete with the Big's on a consistent basis is more a function with being in the MAC than anything else. AAC is a better Conference than the MAC-budgets, facilities, National Championships, etc.

If Cinci cam pay Tuberville $3.1 million, Toledo ought to be able to pay at least half of that for a REAL coach. If its the MAC that's holdingus back, I hope we are aggressively looking for better options.

I would think the University would have difficult time justifying paying a football coach 1.5 million to the public and its faculty. There would have to be some king of major conference change or dramatic increase in public attendance for that to happen.

+1 for Falconplucker.

(09-14-2014 08:22 AM)magoo Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 12:24 PM)djsfw57 Wrote:  Our coaching staff is just out of their league. I have seen nothing that would make me believe they are capable of winning on this level. They may be fine in Division II, but they are definitely not Division 1 caliber coaches. Sad. Especially when you think that we are probably stuck with them.

I agree..... This staff can't seem to get the team going before the kick off! The defense hasn't changed in 5 years... with no QB pressure and wonder why we give up 40 pts per game. No adjustments that I can see at half time. Just more of the same. Our coaching staff, especially Campbell, are not ready for prime time. Maybe good recruiters, although you'd think we could recruit corners that can cover somebody. Didn't we learn anything from the Amstutz hire, promoting from within rarely works in Div. 1 football. Just sad!~

Quote:we keep playing 10 yds off the ball

Whoever replaced Tuke as D coordinator should be fired immediately. The O played very well and our run defense is stout. Our defensive coverage's and some of the d-backs are still at the High School level. The UC game was the WORST defense that I've EVER seen at Toledo... and that is saying a lot. I graduated from UT back in 73 and haven't missed too many home games since. Our pass defense simply SUCKS!!!

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  Whoever replaced Tuke as D coordinator should be fired immediately. The O played very well and our run defense is stout. Our defensive coverage's and some of the d-backs are still at the High School level. The UC game was the WORST defense that I've EVER seen at Toledo... and that is saying a lot. I graduated from UT back in 73 and haven't missed too many home games since. Our pass defense simply SUCKS!!!

I think our db's would do better if they weren't told to play so far from the receiver. We're not giving up 63 points to mediocre teams so this defense isn't UT's worst, IMO.

Almost every year, we have like most teams, have many players playing with injuries. Last year I believe there were 5 or 6 surgeries immediately after the season. I believe there were another 6-8 nagging injuries that didn't heal till end of season. This is why depth is so important. We lost two starting CB, one before season and other week one. Third CB out for Cinci game. That means we were using numbers 4 and 5 against a deep experienced set of receivers and a QB ranked number 3 in nation coming out of HS. It was no shock to me that we couldn't stop them. Line and LB played well. I'm concerned, but mostly by the loss of so many DB's.

(09-14-2014 03:48 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  Whoever replaced Tuke as D coordinator should be fired immediately. The O played very well and our run defense is stout. Our defensive coverage's and some of the d-backs are still at the High School level. The UC game was the WORST defense that I've EVER seen at Toledo... and that is saying a lot. I graduated from UT back in 73 and haven't missed too many home games since. Our pass defense simply SUCKS!!!

I think our db's would do better if they weren't told to play so far from the receiver. We're not giving up 63 points to mediocre teams so this defense isn't UT's worst, IMO.

How many #1 HS QB's projected as a Top 10 NFL Draft Pick did UT play in that time? I checked several draft services and they have Kiel as a #6 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Btw, Kiel tore up UC's DB's in the Spring game.

(09-14-2014 06:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:48 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  Whoever replaced Tuke as D coordinator should be fired immediately. The O played very well and our run defense is stout. Our defensive coverage's and some of the d-backs are still at the High School level. The UC game was the WORST defense that I've EVER seen at Toledo... and that is saying a lot. I graduated from UT back in 73 and haven't missed too many home games since. Our pass defense simply SUCKS!!!

I think our db's would do better if they weren't told to play so far from the receiver. We're not giving up 63 points to mediocre teams so this defense isn't UT's worst, IMO.

How many #1 HS QB's projected as a Top 10 NFL Draft Pick did UT play in that time? I checked several draft services and they have Kiel as a #6 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Btw, Kiel tore up UC's DB's in the Spring game.

Doubt that that draft prediction is accurate since Kiel has two more seasons of eligibility after this year. I like your team, Rocket fans. You are better than your record and predict that you will challenge for the MAC title. UC fans respect your football tradition. I wish we played you guys more often. Good luck the rest of the season.

(09-14-2014 07:35 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Doubt that that draft prediction is accurate since Kiel has two more seasons of eligibility after this year. I like your team, Rocket fans. You are better than your record and predict that you will challenge for the MAC title. UC fans respect your football tradition. I wish we played you guys more often. Good luck the rest of the season.

But CFB players are eligible for the draft after their 3rd season. So he can go to the draft after this season.

I simply cannot predict this team.

We defeated UC 3 games in a row. It was painful to watch them beat up on us. Sure they have a great QB. We face a lot of great QBs in the MAC too. Luckily this season conference is weak in that regard.

I like winning in the OOC schedule. Drop the ISU game and the season will be a major downer. All that will be left for me to look forward to would be the BGSU game at that point.

I haven't placed a lot of value on winning MAC championships of late, probably because I have forgotten what it feels like to win one.

(09-14-2014 07:35 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 06:22 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:48 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 03:22 PM)AquaRocket Wrote:  Whoever replaced Tuke as D coordinator should be fired immediately. The O played very well and our run defense is stout. Our defensive coverage's and some of the d-backs are still at the High School level. The UC game was the WORST defense that I've EVER seen at Toledo... and that is saying a lot. I graduated from UT back in 73 and haven't missed too many home games since. Our pass defense simply SUCKS!!!

I think our db's would do better if they weren't told to play so far from the receiver. We're not giving up 63 points to mediocre teams so this defense isn't UT's worst, IMO.

How many #1 HS QB's projected as a Top 10 NFL Draft Pick did UT play in that time? I checked several draft services and they have Kiel as a #6 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. Btw, Kiel tore up UC's DB's in the Spring game.

Doubt that that draft prediction is accurate since Kiel has two more seasons of eligibility after this year. I like your team, Rocket fans. You are better than your record and predict that you will challenge for the MAC title. UC fans respect your football tradition. I wish we played you guys more often. Good luck the rest of the season.

Tell your AD and Tuberville!!!!!! We would love to partner up with you guys in all sports.

(09-14-2014 04:16 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  Almost every year, we have like most teams, have many players playing with injuries. Last year I believe there were 5 or 6 surgeries immediately after the season. I believe there were another 6-8 nagging injuries that didn't heal till end of season. This is why depth is so important. We lost two starting CB, one before season and other week one. Third CB out for Cinci game. That means we were using numbers 4 and 5 against a deep experienced set of receivers and a QB ranked number 3 in nation coming out of HS. It was no shock to me that we couldn't stop them. Line and LB played well. I'm concerned, but mostly by the loss of so many DB's.

There don't seem to be many people here who understand this. We're playing 3 guys short at what's arguably our weakest position to begin with. Not sure why the results have been so shocking. I'm actually kind of impressed at how well we've played with all the injuries we've had. It usually only takes losing one guy to ruin everything. I mean, look how pitiful the defense became once we lost Fatinuken in two separate years. We're short on the D-Line and replacing guys that are now playing in the NFL. It's a work in progress. They're gonna eat, they're gonna develop, and I'm excited to see it. So sick of the whole sky-is-falling, dooooooom attitude in here after losing two games we never had much of a chance in.

(09-15-2014 06:01 PM)therockets046 Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 04:16 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  Almost every year, we have like most teams, have many players playing with injuries. Last year I believe there were 5 or 6 surgeries immediately after the season. I believe there were another 6-8 nagging injuries that didn't heal till end of season. This is why depth is so important. We lost two starting CB, one before season and other week one. Third CB out for Cinci game. That means we were using numbers 4 and 5 against a deep experienced set of receivers and a QB ranked number 3 in nation coming out of HS. It was no shock to me that we couldn't stop them. Line and LB played well. I'm concerned, but mostly by the loss of so many DB's.

There don't seem to be many people here who understand this. We're playing 3 guys short at what's arguably our weakest position to begin with. Not sure why the results have been so shocking. I'm actually kind of impressed at how well we've played with all the injuries we've had. It usually only takes losing one guy to ruin everything. I mean, look how pitiful the defense became once we lost Fatinuken in two separate years. We're short on the D-Line and replacing guys that are now playing in the NFL. It's a work in progress. They're gonna eat, they're gonna develop, and I'm excited to see it. So sick of the whole sky-is-falling, dooooooom attitude in here after losing two games we never had much of a chance in.

Agree with everything you say. Now that league starts, just get it done. No excuses.