Tiguar
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-01-2014 05:39 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: Watching the Paul finebaum show... He ACTUAlLY brought up how good Uab looked against "Troy state"
Smh
atleast they got your name sorta right
we were listed as alabama state during the ulm game
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Atlanta Trojan
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
I think I'm more shocked about how he brought up UAB and now good they looked.
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Smaug
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-01-2014 06:12 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: I think I'm more shocked about how he brought up UAB and now good they looked.
That's pretty shocking.
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BeliefBlazer
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
Troy needs a new coach. See you next year, Trojans.
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Atlanta Trojan
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-01-2014 09:01 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Troy needs a new coach. See you next year, Trojans.
It goes deeper than that.
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ThreeifbyLightning
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 11:44 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: (09-01-2014 09:01 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Troy needs a new coach. See you next year, Trojans.
It goes deeper than that.
Yep, it does. When the NCAA put a cap on oversigning it killed your coaches recruiting philosophy of recruiting kids with no shot in hell of meeting NCAA clearing house standards, place them in JUCO and then oversigning every year by as many as 10 to 12 extra kids in a single signing period knowing that he would squeeze a few SEC caliber kids out of it who couldn't get into a P5 school academically.
With that cap at 28 in place, LB can't create a pipeline of placing marginally academic ready kids in JUCO's for a year or two, because if he does he risks not having enough kids to sign when those kids he placed fall through. And let's be honest there is a very high attrition rate there, which is why being able to oversign was so incredibly important to his strategy. I know this, because Andy McCollum was trying to do the same thing when he almost ran our program into the ground. He just didn't have the JUCO contacts like LB does.
Due to the cap, LB has been forced to recruit more high school kids and as a result he's not getting the same level of talent he was before. He's now having to re learn how to develop them rather than letting someone else do that for him at the JC level. I'm very interested to see if he can pull this off. Having to reinvent yourself toward the end of your career is not easy. Does he have the drive and passion to do it? Or are you guys ready to bring in some fresh faces?
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09-02-2014 01:40 PM |
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Atlanta Trojan
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 01:40 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: (09-02-2014 11:44 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: (09-01-2014 09:01 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Troy needs a new coach. See you next year, Trojans.
It goes deeper than that.
Yep, it does. When the NCAA put a cap on oversigning it killed your coaches recruiting philosophy of recruiting kids with no shot in hell of meeting NCAA clearing house standards, place them in JUCO and then oversigning every year by as many as 10 to 12 extra kids in a single signing period knowing that he would squeeze a few SEC caliber kids out of it who couldn't get into a P5 school academically.
With that cap at 28 in place, LB can't create a pipeline of placing marginally academic ready kids in JUCO's for a year or two, because if he does he risks not having enough kids to sign when those kids he placed fall through. And let's be honest there is a very high attrition rate there, which is why being able to oversign was so incredibly important to his strategy. I know this, because Andy McCollum was trying to do the same thing when he almost ran our program into the ground. He just didn't have the JUCO contacts like LB does.
Due to the cap, LB has been forced to recruit more high school kids and as a result he's not getting the same level of talent he was before. He's now having to re learn how to develop them rather than letting someone else do that for him at the JC level. I'm very interested to see if he can pull this off. Having to reinvent yourself toward the end of your career is not easy. Does he have the drive and passion to do it? Or are you guys ready to bring in some fresh faces?
You have no idea what's going on at Troy... It has nothing to do with that.
Troy has THE worst football operations facility in the SBC and maybe even FBS. Couple that with being in the city of Troy with nothing to do. ULL and stAte have invested in facilities over the past couple of years. Heck even ULM is pushing dirt.
It's hard to attract a good player to a school in the middle of no where with nothing to do and operating out of a 1960s field house (which lost AC power this summer) when that player could go to USA, ULL etc in a bigger city and better facities.
Yes Troy has one of the best football stadiums in the sbc. But that's not where they work, train and such. It's only a stage in which they preform on maybe 6 times a year.
We have to get the ball rolling on our expansion and soon. We have been in the bottom of the SBC in recruiting for the last few years when we use to be on top.
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09-02-2014 01:43 PM |
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ThreeifbyLightning
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
Ok. If you say so.
Just one big coincidence I guess.
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09-02-2014 01:44 PM |
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Atlanta Trojan
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 01:44 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: Ok. If you say so.
Just one big coincidence I guess.
Updated my post.
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09-02-2014 01:49 PM |
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ThreeifbyLightning
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
What else are you guys missing in terms of facilities? I haven't been down there in a few years.
It's getting to the point that if you don't have an indoor practice facility you're getting left behind. I assume that's one? I know that's next on our list of to do's.
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09-02-2014 02:03 PM |
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Atlanta Trojan
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 02:03 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: What else are you guys missing in terms of facilities? I haven't been down there in a few years.
It's getting to the point that if you don't have an indoor practice facility you're getting left behind. I assume that's one? I know that's next on our list of to do's.
A new football operations center is needed.
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09-02-2014 02:13 PM |
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trojanbrutha
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 01:40 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: (09-02-2014 11:44 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote: (09-01-2014 09:01 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote: Troy needs a new coach. See you next year, Trojans.
It goes deeper than that.
Yep, it does. When the NCAA put a cap on oversigning it killed your coaches recruiting philosophy of recruiting kids with no shot in hell of meeting NCAA clearing house standards, place them in JUCO and then oversigning every year by as many as 10 to 12 extra kids in a single signing period knowing that he would squeeze a few SEC caliber kids out of it who couldn't get into a P5 school academically.
With that cap at 28 in place, LB can't create a pipeline of placing marginally academic ready kids in JUCO's for a year or two, because if he does he risks not having enough kids to sign when those kids he placed fall through. And let's be honest there is a very high attrition rate there, which is why being able to oversign was so incredibly important to his strategy. I know this, because Andy McCollum was trying to do the same thing when he almost ran our program into the ground. He just didn't have the JUCO contacts like LB does.
Due to the cap, LB has been forced to recruit more high school kids and as a result he's not getting the same level of talent he was before. He's now having to re learn how to develop them rather than letting someone else do that for him at the JC level. I'm very interested to see if he can pull this off. Having to reinvent yourself toward the end of your career is not easy. Does he have the drive and passion to do it? Or are you guys ready to bring in some fresh faces?
No one keeps up with LB and oversigning better than you, that's for sure...
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09-02-2014 02:16 PM |
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ThreeifbyLightning
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
Hey, I do what I can.
Good luck the rest of the season.
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09-02-2014 02:27 PM |
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
It's a whole crap load of issues all combined into one. Not one or the other. Everyone here likes to play the role of armchair athletic directors and coaches and pretend we know what's going right and wrong in our programs and how to fix it. In the end, we're all just a bunch of message board fodder with a few connections here and there. For Troy, it's up to John Hartwell (our athletic director) to fix the problems that's hindering us whether it be coaching, facilities, etc. and get the Troy (use to be machine) back on track.
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09-02-2014 02:41 PM |
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BMarkey
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
I am guilty each August of buying into the hype and predictions of a great Troy season and all the talent coming in and returning. This year was no exception.
Then Saturday happened. I was thrilled with the first drive. UAB couldn't stop anything Troy did. Then UAB adjusted and Troy did not adjust. As usual. Troy never adjusts, not even after halftime. That's coaching.
Troy's vaunted offensive line was awful and its two great RBs were ineffective at best.
Blakeney insisted on playing Brandon Silvers at QB most of the game. He was off on passes and not good. Junior college QB sensation Dontreal Pruitt enlivened the Troy offense when he finally played, then was removed. I fear this is another example of Blakeney playing the kid who paid his dues and traditionally deserved the time over the kid who is better and can win games. That is coaching.
The play calling was boring and predictable. That is coaching.
As usual, the special teams were crummy (missed short FG). No change here.
In the red zone during the first half, badly needing a TD. Troy goes for a FG and misses! Then in the third quarter, Troy goes for it o a fourth-and-1 from the Troy 30 and can't convert! UAB scores a play or three later. Terrible coaching decisions.
The team appeared, as usual, unprepared and showed no heart. That is coaching.
I truly hoped Blakeney would gut it out and put together a great season or two before retirement. He deserves a great end to a fantastic career in thanks for putting Troy on the college football map. Now, it appears the program is going to melt down as the powers-that-be at Troy mistakenly allow him to go out on his terms, while the fan base and financial support plummet.
This season could be over. I hope and pray I am wrong.
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09-02-2014 05:56 PM |
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 05:56 PM)BMarkey Wrote: I am guilty each August of buying into the hype and predictions of a great Troy season and all the talent coming in and returning. This year was no exception.
Then Saturday happened. I was thrilled with the first drive. UAB couldn't stop anything Troy did. Then UAB adjusted and Troy did not adjust. As usual. Troy never adjusts, not even after halftime. That's coaching.
Troy's vaunted offensive line was awful and its two great RBs were ineffective at best.
Blakeney insisted on playing Brandon Silvers at QB most of the game. He was off on passes and not good. Junior college QB sensation Dontreal Pruitt enlivened the Troy offense when he finally played, then was removed. I fear this is another example of Blakeney playing the kid who paid his dues and traditionally deserved the time over the kid who is better and can win games. That is coaching.
The play calling was boring and predictable. That is coaching.
As usual, the special teams were crummy (missed short FG). No change here.
In the red zone during the first half, badly needing a TD. Troy goes for a FG and misses! Then in the third quarter, Troy goes for it o a fourth-and-1 from the Troy 30 and can't convert! UAB scores a play or three later. Terrible coaching decisions.
The team appeared, as usual, unprepared and showed no heart. That is coaching.
I truly hoped Blakeney would gut it out and put together a great season or two before retirement. He deserves a great end to a fantastic career in thanks for putting Troy on the college football map. Now, it appears the program is going to melt down as the powers-that-be at Troy mistakenly allow him to go out on his terms, while the fan base and financial support plummet.
This season could be over. I hope and pray I am wrong.
Agree with all this...
People at Troy are growing to hate Blakeney and it makes me sad. Hate is a good word from what I hear about him.
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09-02-2014 06:37 PM |
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Smaug
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
I don't by the facilities argument. You just got your asses handed to you by UAB.
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09-02-2014 10:15 PM |
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WinstonTheWolf
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
Larry Blakeney is the SBC equivalent of Mack Brown . . .
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09-02-2014 10:34 PM |
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
No, Larry has won several SBC championships, Mack but one. But I get what you are saying. I hope he hangs on for several more seasons.
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09-03-2014 07:22 AM |
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RE: My thoughts on Troy
(09-02-2014 10:15 PM)Smaug Wrote: I don't by the facilities argument. You just got your asses handed to you by UAB.
Hard to say about anything except.....the last sentence to which I say.....Yep no other way to put it.......good luck on the rest of your season.
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