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C-USA vs G5 - week 1
C-USA is

1-0 vs AAC (UTSA-Houston)
1-0 vs SBC (UAB-Troy)
2-0 vs MAC (WKU-BGSU & Marshall-Miami)
1-0 vs MWC (UTEP-UNM)

It's too bad FIU has to mess up a great collective 5-0 start by losing to a FCS team.

Like the term G5 or not, it is what it is.
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We have to be very proud of UTSA, UAB, WKU, and Marshall of winning games against our G-5 brethern (whether they like that moniker, or not). Those games are big when it comes to perceptions. 4-0, with a possibility of 5-0, if UTEP takes care of business) is an excellent statement against the G5, particularly when Troy, BGSU and Houston were heralded to be their some of their respective conferences, best.

Now, about scheduling upper tier P5, I'm never going to be a fan of those games. Lower tier P5, I'm fine with as those are winnable at times. But I don't want to have to rely on miracles.
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(08-30-2014 08:11 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  We have to be very proud of UTSA, UAB, WKU, and Marshall of winning games against our G-5 brethern (whether they like that moniker, or not). Those games are big when it comes to perceptions. 4-0, with a possibility of 5-0, if UTEP takes care of business) is an excellent statement against the G5, particularly when Troy, BGSU and Houston were heralded to be their some of their respective conferences, best.

Now, about scheduling upper tier P5, I'm never going to be a fan of those games. Lower tier P5, I'm fine with as those are winnable at times. But I don't want to have to rely on miracles.

Congrats so far, but the only ones heralding Troy as being a favorite in the Sun Belt were Troy fans. But with that said I was very impressed with UAB today. Coach Clark was USA's DC in our first FBS transitional year. His defense (particularly the adjustments he made at halftime) was the strength of our team. It kept us in games and if we would have had even an average offense we would have won a couple more games. I'm amazed at what he did today. You have to tip your hat to him, and now no one can overlook UAB.
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I disagree that you shouldn't schedule top tier P5s, "To be the Man, you've got to beat the man". Now you shouldn't overload your schedule with them, especially if you don't get a home and home. If you have one of those guys on the schedule, and are positioned like Marshall, then you can make the argument to be included in the playoff.

The conference hasn't had the huge marquee win, but has performed well. I have enjoyed watching everyone in the conference this weekend, and can't wait to be a part of it next year.
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(08-30-2014 08:37 PM)chidave Wrote:  I disagree that you shouldn't schedule top tier P5s, "To be the Man, you've got to beat the man". Now you shouldn't overload your schedule with them, especially if you don't get a home and home. If you have one of those guys on the schedule, and are positioned like Marshall, then you can make the argument to be included in the playoff.

The conference hasn't had the huge marquee win, but has performed well. I have enjoyed watching everyone in the conference this weekend, and can't wait to be a part of it next year.

That's the reasonable counter-argument, which I respect. I just don't agree with it. I'd much rather see wins against mid-tier P5's on a more consistent basis than the rare upper tier win.
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I'm surprised BGSU crapped down their pants in game 1 with Babers.

That team was the MAC preseason #1 favorite.
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Look at it this way, if scores hold to form:

Against FBS teams out of conference
CUSA 5-5
AAC 1-3
SBC 1-3 (Idaho and Florida delayed so this will likely be 1-4)
MAC 1-3

Against FCS
CUSA 2-1
AAC 3-0 (Although may be 2-1 unless USF can beat WCU)
SBC 5-0
MAC 7-0
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(08-30-2014 08:39 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  That's the reasonable counter-argument, which I respect. I just don't agree with it. I'd much rather see wins against mid-tier P5's on a more consistent basis than the rare upper tier win.

I'm with you. I would prefer no games with the top tier unless they are home and home (which won't happen so no worries).
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Hawaii showing up against #25 Washington.

7-0 now and the Warriors are driving again!!
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10-0 Warriors!
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(08-30-2014 08:11 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  We have to be very proud of UTSA, UAB, WKU, and Marshall of winning games against our G-5 brethern (whether they like that moniker, or not). Those games are big when it comes to perceptions. 4-0, with a possibility of 5-0, if UTEP takes care of business) is an excellent statement against the G5, particularly when Troy, BGSU and Houston were heralded to be their some of their respective conferences, best.

Now, about scheduling upper tier P5, I'm never going to be a fan of those games. Lower tier P5, I'm fine with as those are winnable at times. But I don't want to have to rely on miracles.

I think many (including myself) thought we (Houston) would be very good this year. After last nights fiasco, it looks the new OC is in way over his head, the QB has regressed (our OC also doubles as QB coach), and our OL has regressed to the point of being pretty much worthless. Unless there is a miraculous improvement---we won't win 3 conference games this year (hell, we probably won't 3 games total without some amazing turn around). Right now, all we have is a decent defense that the offense is killing with turnovers and 45 second 3-and-outs.
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The only storyline for Conf USA on a national stage will be how some many teams were blown out by P5 teams.ESPN controls football and they do not care about G5 games. Unless you have a contract with, them they will never give teams credit for anything. Sad but true.
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RE: C-USA vs G5 - week 1
(08-30-2014 08:39 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:37 PM)chidave Wrote:  I disagree that you shouldn't schedule top tier P5s, "To be the Man, you've got to beat the man". Now you shouldn't overload your schedule with them, especially if you don't get a home and home. If you have one of those guys on the schedule, and are positioned like Marshall, then you can make the argument to be included in the playoff.

The conference hasn't had the huge marquee win, but has performed well. I have enjoyed watching everyone in the conference this weekend, and can't wait to be a part of it next year.

That's the reasonable counter-argument, which I respect. I just don't agree with it. I'd much rather see wins against mid-tier P5's on a more consistent basis than the rare upper tier win.

I agree with you...you schedule for maximum wins (reward vs risk) and lets get real maybe 1 out of 25 times will we beat the top dogs. Those are not very good odds. Schedule the Vandy's/uk's Wake's/NCST type teams that you can win and still get paid. I love Westerns schedule this year and last...not a OOC game we are overwhelming underdogs

As for the argument beating the top dog gives us a argument to get in the playoff...NEVER as long as it is 4 teams. Very very slight chance at 13-0 with a 8 team playoff and that is if the G5 team dominates everyone.
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Western played Tennessee last year, who "should" have been an overwhelming favorite if the program was at its traditional level. ECU this year, why not go for South Carolina (and USC was the SEC East favorite). It will be difficult for us to break through into the playoffs as long as it's 4, you have to get lucky and your opponents have to excel. With 8...I think there's a great shot, but I'm a glass half full kind of guy too.

It's better than it was, there was zero chance when it was 2.
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(08-30-2014 10:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:11 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  We have to be very proud of UTSA, UAB, WKU, and Marshall of winning games against our G-5 brethern (whether they like that moniker, or not). Those games are big when it comes to perceptions. 4-0, with a possibility of 5-0, if UTEP takes care of business) is an excellent statement against the G5, particularly when Troy, BGSU and Houston were heralded to be their some of their respective conferences, best.

Now, about scheduling upper tier P5, I'm never going to be a fan of those games. Lower tier P5, I'm fine with as those are winnable at times. But I don't want to have to rely on miracles.

I think many (including myself) thought we (Houston) would be very good this year. After last nights fiasco, it looks the new OC is in way over his head, the QB has regressed (our OC also doubles as QB coach), and our OL has regressed to the point of being pretty much worthless. Unless there is a miraculous improvement---we won't win 3 conference games this year (hell, we probably won't 3 games total without some amazing turn around). Right now, all we have is a decent defense that the offense is killing with turnovers and 45 second 3-and-outs.

Dont understand the OC hate, seems like yall are just looking for a scapegoat. Our OC, who worked under and learned from Travis Bush, has done just fine. Not sure how UH's o-line getting dominated by UTSA's d-line which subsequently led to O'Korn being shaky all game can be placed on the OC's shoulders.

He's not a typical 'new' OC either. He's been at UH what, 3 years counting this one? He's been both the OC and co-OC during the majority of his time there.
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(08-30-2014 10:47 PM)correcamino Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 10:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:11 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  We have to be very proud of UTSA, UAB, WKU, and Marshall of winning games against our G-5 brethern (whether they like that moniker, or not). Those games are big when it comes to perceptions. 4-0, with a possibility of 5-0, if UTEP takes care of business) is an excellent statement against the G5, particularly when Troy, BGSU and Houston were heralded to be their some of their respective conferences, best.

Now, about scheduling upper tier P5, I'm never going to be a fan of those games. Lower tier P5, I'm fine with as those are winnable at times. But I don't want to have to rely on miracles.

I think many (including myself) thought we (Houston) would be very good this year. After last nights fiasco, it looks the new OC is in way over his head, the QB has regressed (our OC also doubles as QB coach), and our OL has regressed to the point of being pretty much worthless. Unless there is a miraculous improvement---we won't win 3 conference games this year (hell, we probably won't 3 games total without some amazing turn around). Right now, all we have is a decent defense that the offense is killing with turnovers and 45 second 3-and-outs.

Dont understand the OC hate, seems like yall are just looking for a scapegoat. Our OC, who worked under and learned from Travis Bush, has done just fine. Not sure how UH's o-line getting dominated by UTSA's d-line which subsequently led to O'Korn being shaky all game can be placed on the OC's shoulders.

He's not a typical 'new' OC either. He's been at UH what, 3 years counting this one? He's been both the OC and co-OC during the majority of his time there.

Dont know much about UTSA's offense when Bush was there---but I don't remember it being talked about as a anything special. I'm guessing it was also going against some fairly low end competition.

I agree UTSA completely dominated the Houston line. So, how do you mitigate that? You mix in screens, draws, and hot drag routes. You dont run slow developing deep and intermediate routes. Bush didn't do any of that. He used a couple of very slow developing wide screens---which is a terrible idea when your line is inadequate. He also apparantly didnt impress upon his receivers the importance of blocking. On the wide screens the other receivers just stood there.

Additionally, Bush doubles as the QB coach. Sorry, but O'Korn looks worse after an off season with Bush than he did as a wide eyed true freshman. Last year,against the exact same UTSA players the Coogs scored 28 points before the 4th quarter began (so I'm not counting any points is that 5 turnover quarter) when Meachum was running the show. Basically the same cast of characters on both sides of the ball---and the result is basically a shut out. Bush looked like a deer in the head lights. I couldn't believe how clueless he was after I had heard how great and innovative he supposedly was.

I guess i'm just not nearly as impressed with Bush as you guys. I expected lots of motion, formations, shifting, and misdirection. I saw basically the same set 90% of the time, virtually no motion, and zero misdirection. Not even going to get into the way he just stands on the sideline when the defense is on he field. Meachum would sit with his QB's during the game and talk about what they were seeing and what they needed to look for. Personally, I like Bush as a recruiter, but i'd like to move him back to what he was originally hired for---coaching running backs.

My opinion on this has nothing to do with UTSA. They played a great game and they look like they have a great chance to win CUSA. They are senior loaded, well coached, and played like it. Just don't think Bush is worth a crap as an OC. I know what the offense we should running looks like. Sumlin had it on full display Thursday night. I have no idea what Bush is trying to do---but it's obviously not even as effective as what we did under Meachum last year.
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(08-30-2014 11:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Dont know much about UTSA's offense when Bush was there---but I don't remember it being talked about as a anything special. I'm guessing it was also going against some fairly low end competition.

I agree UTSA completely dominated the Houston line. So, how do you mitigate that? You mix in screens, draws, and hot drag routes. You dont run slow developing deep and intermediate routes. Bush didn't do any of that. He used a couple of very slow developing wide screens---which is a terrible idea when your line is inadequate. He also apparantly didnt impress upon his receivers the importance of blocking. On the wide screens the other receivers just stood there.

Additionally, Bush doubles as the QB coach. Sorry, but O'Korn looks worse after an off season with Bush than he did as a wide eyed true freshman. Last year,against the exact same UTSA players the Coogs scored 28 points before the 4th quarter began (so I'm not counting any points is that 5 turnover quarter) when Meachum was running the show. Basically the same cast of characters on both sides of the ball---and the result is basically a shut out. Bush looked like a deer in the head lights. I couldn't believe how clueless he was after I had heard how great and innovative he supposedly was.

I guess i'm just not nearly as impressed with Bush as you guys. I expected lots of motion, formations, shifting, and misdirection. I saw basically the same set 90% of the time, virtually no motion, and zero misdirection. Not even going to get into the way he just stands on the sideline when the defense is on he field. Meachum would sit with his QB's during the game and talk about what they were seeing and what they needed to look for. Personally, I like Bush as a recruiter, but i'd like to move him back to what he was originally hired for---coaching running backs.

My opinion on this has nothing to do with UTSA. They played a great game and they look like they have a great chance to win CUSA. They are senior loaded, well coached, and played like it. Just don't think Bush is worth a crap as an OC. I know what the offense we should running looks like. Sumlin had it on full display Thursday night. I have no idea what Bush is trying to do---but it's obviously not even as effective as what we did under Meachum last year.

Haha, you are comparing apples to oranges man. A&M has arguably the best o-line in the country, your line not so much. UTSA was sacking/getting pressure on O'Korn with three down lineman at times. If you allow a defense to drop back eight guys to defend the pass and don't give your QB time then you are just asking for a disaster--I refuse to blame that on Brown.

This isn't last years UTSA. The defensive personnel/scheme on passing downs changed pretty drastically at the mid-point of last season, and helped improve the D considerably by the end of the season. Theyre only better with another off-season under their belt.

I saw several short passes, the UTSA D was just flying to the ball. I was expecting your offense to be slightly faster than our defense and they weren't. Look if UH continues to perform that bad offensively then I'll agree but I'm thinking the UTSA defense (bias maybe?) had a lot to do with it. I think UH goes on to have a good season.
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(08-30-2014 06:30 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  C-USA is

1-0 vs AAC (UTSA-Houston)
1-0 vs SBC (UAB-Troy)
2-0 vs MAC (WKU-BGSU & Marshall-Miami)
1-0 vs MWC (UTEP-UNM)

It's too bad FIU has to mess up a great collective 5-0 start by losing to a FCS team.

Like the term G5 or not, it is what it is.

No real marquee wins, but several previous versions of this conference would have lost some or most of those games. Only one embarrassing loss. Really good start overall.
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(08-30-2014 08:39 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:37 PM)chidave Wrote:  I disagree that you shouldn't schedule top tier P5s, "To be the Man, you've got to beat the man". Now you shouldn't overload your schedule with them, especially if you don't get a home and home. If you have one of those guys on the schedule, and are positioned like Marshall, then you can make the argument to be included in the playoff.

The conference hasn't had the huge marquee win, but has performed well. I have enjoyed watching everyone in the conference this weekend, and can't wait to be a part of it next year.

That's the reasonable counter-argument, which I respect. I just don't agree with it. I'd much rather see wins against mid-tier P5's on a more consistent basis than the rare upper tier win.

I agree. Beating mid to lower level P-5 programs is much more beneficial for the "Next 5" programs and very winnable games. 99% of time a G-5 school isn't going to beat a powerhouse P-5 school if that school is at the top of their game. It is what it is.
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(08-31-2014 01:23 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:39 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 08:37 PM)chidave Wrote:  I disagree that you shouldn't schedule top tier P5s, "To be the Man, you've got to beat the man". Now you shouldn't overload your schedule with them, especially if you don't get a home and home. If you have one of those guys on the schedule, and are positioned like Marshall, then you can make the argument to be included in the playoff.

The conference hasn't had the huge marquee win, but has performed well. I have enjoyed watching everyone in the conference this weekend, and can't wait to be a part of it next year.

That's the reasonable counter-argument, which I respect. I just don't agree with it. I'd much rather see wins against mid-tier P5's on a more consistent basis than the rare upper tier win.

I agree. Beating mid to lower level P-5 programs is much more beneficial for the "Next 5" programs and very winnable games. 99% of time a G-5 school isn't going to beat a powerhouse P-5 school if that school is at the top of their game. It is what it is.

Totally see what you all are saying. However, since CUSA is supposed to have taken a step down, and now be the new Sun Belt....... It sure stepped up.....
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