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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  I wonder if we are seeing the beginning of Boise St.'s decline back to reality. Chris Petersen was the main factor in Boise St.'s success the last decade, as offense coordinator then head coach.

However, although Boise is a smaller market, college football is King. So, its college football market is probably understated if you just look at population or TV households - similarities to Alabama market. But you have to wonder how long the BCS-Buster Effect will last.

The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.
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(08-29-2014 08:25 AM)panite Wrote:  Boise out - got whacked by Ole Miss - 03-nutkick
Tulane out lost to Tulsa (close one though - go AAC) 03-shhhh

Temple in - whacked Vandy - 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana COGS COGS 04-cheers

Tulsa in - undefeated - beat conference mate Tulane - high scoring shoot out though - too bad somebody had to loose - 07-coffee3

Georgia State in - won their first game in two years - 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 04-cheers

Hey Panite, if you want to make this a real thing I can pin it, and you can keep us updated through the season.
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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  I wonder if we are seeing the beginning of Boise St.'s decline back to reality. Chris Petersen was the main factor in Boise St.'s success the last decade, as offense coordinator then head coach.

However, although Boise is a smaller market, college football is King. So, its college football market is probably understated if you just look at population or TV households - similarities to Alabama market. But you have to wonder how long the BCS-Buster Effect will last.

The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

If I HAD to do 4 teams for the west (and no more than 4) it would be BYU, AFA, SDSU, UNLV in that order. After that it's Fresno, CSU, then anyone else Boise included. It's not because I dislike their business decision, but because it's like another poster said. They are the Marshall of the west. If they don't perform we are stuck with their baggage.
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(08-29-2014 11:39 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 10:11 AM)panite Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 09:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I feel 1 loss would eliminate Marshall, but that's about it.

West Virginia and the the B-12 would vote for that.

Not sure I understand.

West Virginia hated playing Marshall. The Governor or ex-Governor forced the issue because both are state schools and the Governor was a Marshall graduate. West Virginia lost revenue when forced to play in the smaller Marshall stadium. Basiclly they are are instate rivals that don't like each other. As for the B-12 would you vote Marshall into a playoff or access game and leave conference mate West Virginia to a bowl with less prestige and money. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-cheers 07-coffee3
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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
(08-29-2014 01:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 08:25 AM)panite Wrote:  Boise out - got whacked by Ole Miss - 03-nutkick
Tulane out lost to Tulsa (close one though - go AAC) 03-shhhh

Temple in - whacked Vandy - 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana COGS COGS 04-cheers

Tulsa in - undefeated - beat conference mate Tulane - high scoring shoot out though - too bad somebody had to loose - 07-coffee3

Georgia State in - won their first game in two years - 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 04-cheers

Hey Panite, if you want to make this a real thing I can pin it, and you can keep us updated through the season.

Sure why not. And others can add to it when I miss something like the Wake Forest loss where another one bit the dust. 04-cheers
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(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  I wonder if we are seeing the beginning of Boise St.'s decline back to reality. Chris Petersen was the main factor in Boise St.'s success the last decade, as offense coordinator then head coach.

However, although Boise is a smaller market, college football is King. So, its college football market is probably understated if you just look at population or TV households - similarities to Alabama market. But you have to wonder how long the BCS-Buster Effect will last.

The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!
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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
(08-29-2014 03:05 PM)WEARE Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!

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(08-29-2014 03:05 PM)WEARE Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!

Congrats on Marshall winning their Super Bowl; you know it was your Super Bowl when your team was blown out the very next week by a $hitty Rice team in the CUSA championship game. Those dim witted Marshall players didn't even know the significance of the game; but what does that have to do with Marshall being a big JUCO? Because that is what Marshall is.

And those guys that Holliday is getting into Marshall are not learning disabled. That is absurd and an insult to people who have true learning disabilities. The guys that Marshall is taking are guys that are not cut out to do college level work and Marshall is obviously doing really shady $hit to get them all academically qualified. You know that something is really fishy when SEC teams have to pass on those kids, because they knew they kids couldn't get academically qualified, but after spending time in the magical Marshall HELP program all of those kids get qualified. What exactly do those kids major in and how do so many at risk students never flunk out?
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(08-29-2014 03:35 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 03:05 PM)WEARE Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!

Congrats on Marshall winning their Super Bowl; you know it was your Super Bowl when your team was blown out the very next week by a $hitty Rice team in the CUSA championship game. Those dim witted Marshall players didn't even know the significance of the game; but what does that have to do with Marshall being a big JUCO? Because that is what Marshall is.

And those guys that Holliday is getting into Marshall are not learning disabled. That is absurd and an insult to people who have true learning disabilities. The guys that Marshall is taking are guys that are not cut out to do college level work and Marshall is obviously doing really shady $hit to get them all academically qualified. You know that something is really fishy when SEC teams have to pass on those kids, because they knew they kids couldn't get academically qualified, but after spending time in the magical Marshall HELP program all of those kids get qualified. What exactly do those kids major in and how do so many at risk students never flunk out?

They seriously have a special ed class at Marshall designed for this. I forgot the name of it.
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(08-29-2014 03:37 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 03:35 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 03:05 PM)WEARE Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!

Congrats on Marshall winning their Super Bowl; you know it was your Super Bowl when your team was blown out the very next week by a $hitty Rice team in the CUSA championship game. Those dim witted Marshall players didn't even know the significance of the game; but what does that have to do with Marshall being a big JUCO? Because that is what Marshall is.

And those guys that Holliday is getting into Marshall are not learning disabled. That is absurd and an insult to people who have true learning disabilities. The guys that Marshall is taking are guys that are not cut out to do college level work and Marshall is obviously doing really shady $hit to get them all academically qualified. You know that something is really fishy when SEC teams have to pass on those kids, because they knew they kids couldn't get academically qualified, but after spending time in the magical Marshall HELP program all of those kids get qualified. What exactly do those kids major in and how do so many at risk students never flunk out?

They seriously have a special ed class at Marshall designed for this. I forgot the name of it.

Now that is sad.
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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
(08-29-2014 03:05 PM)WEARE Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 01:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:55 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:47 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:44 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  The move not to come to the AAC may have sealed their fate.

I can see that. The American conference slate this season would have even more excitement if Boise St. and San Diego St. were in the mix! But, may be a blessing in disguise for the AAC?

If you look at the various threads with 'western dream' scenarios, lots of posters are not even including Boise. I've seen BYU, followed by some from among SDSU, Fresno, UNLV or colorado state multiple times... We'll see how Boise sustains, but I think the bloom is off their rose.

That is because most fans realize that Boise State is Marshall. A small school with laughable academics and no market.

03-lmfao

ECU is now an academic powerhouse? Marshall and ECU have an almost identical freshman entry scores and requirements with Marshall being slightly more selective. My Marshall undergraduate degree helped to secure my graduate degree from Ohio State, but I completely understand this pails in comparison with an ECU academic pedigree. I contend we are a Master level university which does not offer many PhD degrees; however, you seem to have mistaken our nationally recognized HELP program which provides tutoring to students with learning disabilities (many of them athletes) with the general student body.

In a way, I wish ECU had been more competitive with us last year. If you hadn't lost by 31 points, I doubt you would now be the Jan Brady of the AAC...Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!
No. ECU admits 17% less students. And all of our entry scores are better or same except for ACT English in which you are 20-25 and we are 20-24.
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(08-29-2014 02:44 PM)panite Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 11:39 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 10:11 AM)panite Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 09:11 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I feel 1 loss would eliminate Marshall, but that's about it.

West Virginia and the the B-12 would vote for that.

Not sure I understand.

West Virginia hated playing Marshall. The Governor or ex-Governor forced the issue because both are state schools and the Governor was a Marshall graduate. West Virginia lost revenue when forced to play in the smaller Marshall stadium. Basiclly they are are instate rivals that don't like each other. As for the B-12 would you vote Marshall into a playoff or access game and leave conference mate West Virginia to a bowl with less prestige and money. 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-cheers 07-coffee3

No worries there as WVU is unlikely to have any bowl aspirations this year except a daily visit to the toilet bowl.
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(08-29-2014 08:25 AM)panite Wrote:  Boise out - got whacked by Ole Miss - 03-nutkick
Tulane out lost to Tulsa (close one though - go AAC) 03-shhhh

Temple in - whacked Vandy - 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana 02-13-banana COGS COGS 04-cheers

Tulsa in - undefeated - beat conference mate Tulane - high scoring shoot out though - too bad somebody had to loose - 07-coffee3

Georgia State in - won their first game in two years - 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 04-jawdrop 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 04-cheers
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UCF on the hot seat. I think we need to win at least 10 of the next 11.
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1 loss in my opinion does not eliminate a team from the access bowl, but it does mean they no longer control their own destiny.
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Any team with more than 2 loses has no shot. 1 loss still in but most win out. I think it's better after week 5 to keep track of those that are still undefeated or one loss.
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(08-30-2014 04:57 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  1 loss in my opinion does not eliminate a team from the access bowl, but it does mean they no longer control their own destiny.

I think Houston is eliminated with their OOC lineup. UCF can still rebound with a win @Mizzou.
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(09-01-2014 01:54 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  
(08-30-2014 04:57 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  1 loss in my opinion does not eliminate a team from the access bowl, but it does mean they no longer control their own destiny.

I think Houston is eliminated with their OOC lineup. UCF can still rebound with a win @Mizzou.

ECU, UCF, and Cincy all have scheduled some key games in the next few weeks against credibility building teams that will make or break playoff aspirations.

1. ECU = 9.6 @ South Carolina, 9.13 @ Va Tech, and 9.20 versus UNC
Need to win 2 of 3 and run the Conference

2. UCF = 9.13 @ Mizzou, and 10.9 versus BYU (To a lesser extent than the others but still credible if BYU beats Texas before the UCF game)
Need to win both and run the conference.

3. Cincy = 9.27 @ tOSU, and 10.11 @ Miami (FL)
Need to win 1 of 2 and run the conference.

Also keep in mind Temple plays @ Penn State in November. If Temple runs the table and beats Penn State I think they would be a popular pick. I'm excited for them, could be the great story of this football season.

These are all good teams. My concern is that another G5 team that plays all G5 competition going undefeated and blocking a one-loss American team that signed up to play tougher P5 competition getting left out. I hope that concern is unfounded, but history shows for us that undefeated trumps stength of schedule.
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RE: ACCESS BOWL COUNT DOWN -2014
IMO, any one-loss team at this point is still in it because of this:

notable CUSA teams after week 1:
WKU @ Illinois this week
UTSA has Arizona and @ OSU

notable MWC teams after week 1:
Utah St blown out at Tennessee
Boise State blown out vs Ole Miss
Colorado State beat CU, but is @ Boise
Nevada won week 1, but is @ Arizona and @ BYU
SDSU is @ UNC, @ Oregon St, and @ Boise this year
SJSU is @ Auburn this week

notable MAC teams after week 1:
Bowling Green lost vs WKU
Kent State is @ Ohio St, @ UVA, and @ NIU
Ohio is @ Kentucky and @ Marshall
Ball State is @ Iowa
Miami OH is @ Michigan
NIU is @ NW and @ Ark
Toledo is @ Cincinnati

Notable Sun Belt teams after week 1:
Ark St is @ Tennessee, @ Miami FL and vs UL
Tx State is @ Ill and @ Tulsa
UL is @ Ole Miss, @ Boise and @ Tx State

Out of all of these teams, Marshall is my biggest concern to not slip up. Their schedule is very, very favorable this year. But it is always easier said than done to go undefeated in college football. Guys, there's ALOT of football to be played.
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