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I don't think there's any guarantee by any means, but I think the parallels are that Schiano turned a program around using much-improved recruiting and an energetic style not to mention the direct ties Fleck has.

I guess we'd have to agree to disagree on "lighting the world on fire"-- for a dismal program like Rutgers that had never won a bowl game and went 11-44 under the previous coach to get to the point of being ranked at all, much less winning 5 bowls in 6 years, is a pretty good accomplishment IMO. I think his NFL tenure is a separate deal.

Now, WMU pre-Fleck wasn't in as bad of shape as RU pre-Schiano. But I do see some parallels in the early recruiting success that COULD lead to success down the road.

It took him FIVE YEARS to log a winning season at Rutgers. In fact, getting Rice was probably the single biggest reason he didn't get fired if you remember your football history. He ran over everyone in 2006, their only really good year.

Not only that, his improvement corresponded directly with the decline of the Big East. I wouldn't cite Schaino as any benchmark to imply that Peej is going to succeed. He finished with a record of ONE GAME above .500 in 11 years. Please.

Right, and Fleck (rightfully) wouldn't get five years to do that here, since WMU was not in as bad of shape as RU was at that point.

I'd also say that Fleck would have to win more than Schiano did (read: MAC championships) to be considered a success. But we're comparing apples and oranges in a sense, because Rutgers was Temple level bad when Schiano took over.

But yeah, I agree that Schiano's success doesn't guarantee anything for Fleck.

He might get five years, and that scares me on multiple fronts. That means we'll at best be mediocre, and he'll still be talking.

(08-26-2014 11:07 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  He might get five years, and that scares me on multiple fronts. That means we'll at best be mediocre, and he'll still be talking.

So you'd have a problem if he went 11-2 in year 5? Youre hopeless.

(08-26-2014 10:46 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:42 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  I know you never get tired of being right, DB, but Ray Rice's last year was 2007 and the next two years Rutgers won 8 and 9.

What this has to do with Fleck is unclear, but I don't know why you need to tear down the job Schiano did turning around a Rutgers program that had been an unmitigated failure through the 1990s. He was a failure in his own right in the NFL, which is a different beast.

I think Schiano is kind of a d!ck, but his work at RU was impressive.

I didn't cite Schiano as the benchmark for Peej being successful, your boy HJ did. I was mistaken about when Rice left, I thought for some reason it was 2009, making him and me older.

But the fact remains, the only time Rutgers finished ranked was 2006 and that was 12th. He didn't light the world on fire there.

How he got hired to coach in the NFL is beyond me, but I think I would quit citing him as proof that Peej is going to be a world beater if I were you guys.

You're nuts. He did a hell of a job. It's Rutgers. They were one of the worst programs in the nation and he consistently got them into bowl games his last seven years.

(08-26-2014 11:34 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 11:07 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  He might get five years, and that scares me on multiple fronts. That means we'll at best be mediocre, and he'll still be talking.

So you'd have a problem if he went 11-2 in year 5? Youre hopeless.

My problem would be if he stuck around spreading his manure and never delivering. Hopeless is you happy talk chimp likes here.

(08-27-2014 12:27 AM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:46 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:42 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  I know you never get tired of being right, DB, but Ray Rice's last year was 2007 and the next two years Rutgers won 8 and 9.

What this has to do with Fleck is unclear, but I don't know why you need to tear down the job Schiano did turning around a Rutgers program that had been an unmitigated failure through the 1990s. He was a failure in his own right in the NFL, which is a different beast.

I think Schiano is kind of a d!ck, but his work at RU was impressive.

I didn't cite Schiano as the benchmark for Peej being successful, your boy HJ did. I was mistaken about when Rice left, I thought for some reason it was 2009, making him and me older.

But the fact remains, the only time Rutgers finished ranked was 2006 and that was 12th. He didn't light the world on fire there.

How he got hired to coach in the NFL is beyond me, but I think I would quit citing him as proof that Peej is going to be a world beater if I were you guys.

You're nuts. He did a hell of a job. It's Rutgers. They were one of the worst programs in the nation and he consistently got them into bowl games his last seven years.

Those bowl games were snoozer bowls. One year he finished ranked, in 2006. If he were so awesome, that good year would have led to many more as good or better.

You're either a complete moron when it comes to understanding the world or sports (likely), or you're just trolling (more likely) if you are seriously going to sit and stand behind saying Schiano didn't do an incredible job turning around the Rutgers football program.

(08-27-2014 07:22 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  You're either a complete moron when it comes to understanding the world or sports (likely), or you're just trolling (more likely) if you are seriously going to sit and stand behind saying Schiano didn't do an incredible job turning around the Rutgers football program.

Schiano hired a full time recruiter strictly for S FL. Basically the same thing Rich Rod did at WVU, improving the program with an infusion of Florida athletes.

My question is what will DB do if after Fleck leaves they end up hiring another coach just like him????

(08-27-2014 08:40 AM)Chibronco Wrote:  My question is what will DB do if after Fleck leaves they end up hiring another coach just like him????

There IS no other coach "just like him," he's one of a kind.

Not unless Corso comes back.

(08-27-2014 07:22 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  You're either a complete moron when it comes to understanding the world or sports (likely), or you're just trolling (more likely) if you are seriously going to sit and stand behind saying Schiano didn't do an incredible job turning around the Rutgers football program.

I'm a moron because one ranked season out of 11 isn't an incredible job in my opinion? Someone is a little shensitive here.

(08-27-2014 09:01 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Not unless Corso comes back.

Buddy of mine, former Bronco player, worked for Corso in latter's one year at NIU.

My friend coached for several colleges and three NFL teams.

Said Corso was worst coach he ever worked with.

(08-26-2014 10:44 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:16 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Not BS. He never finished more than one year ranked. The highest they finished was their only year at 12. After Rice left he had two more losing seasons before winning eight or nine in his last.

And....he got the ziggy from Tampa Bay as well.

Edit: Actually Rice left and he went 4-8, then won nine before departing to eff up Tampa Bay and get booed out of town. I wish Michigan had hired him. Honest.

After going 11-2 and being ranked in the top 5, he had seasons of 8,8,9,4, and 9 wins.

If Fleck did that you'd probably become a Fleck apologist.

The chances of Fleck doing anything remotely close to this are slim to none. And I will take the over on none.

(08-26-2014 11:34 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 11:07 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  He might get five years, and that scares me on multiple fronts. That means we'll at best be mediocre, and he'll still be talking.

So you'd have a problem if he went 11-2 in year 5? Youre hopeless.

I would LOVE if he went 11-2 in year 5. Problem is, there isn't a snowballs chance that he EVER goes 11-2 at WMU. Heck, I'd place a friendly wager that he never gets to 9 wins in his tenure here.

Guessing we go 4-8.
W vs Murray St
W vs Idaho
W vs 2 of Central Mich, Eastern Mich, and Miami

(08-27-2014 06:51 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(08-27-2014 12:27 AM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:46 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 10:42 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  I know you never get tired of being right, DB, but Ray Rice's last year was 2007 and the next two years Rutgers won 8 and 9.

What this has to do with Fleck is unclear, but I don't know why you need to tear down the job Schiano did turning around a Rutgers program that had been an unmitigated failure through the 1990s. He was a failure in his own right in the NFL, which is a different beast.

I think Schiano is kind of a d!ck, but his work at RU was impressive.

I didn't cite Schiano as the benchmark for Peej being successful, your boy HJ did. I was mistaken about when Rice left, I thought for some reason it was 2009, making him and me older.

But the fact remains, the only time Rutgers finished ranked was 2006 and that was 12th. He didn't light the world on fire there.

How he got hired to coach in the NFL is beyond me, but I think I would quit citing him as proof that Peej is going to be a world beater if I were you guys.

You're nuts. He did a hell of a job. It's Rutgers. They were one of the worst programs in the nation and he consistently got them into bowl games his last seven years.

Those bowl games were snoozer bowls. One year he finished ranked, in 2006. If he were so awesome, that good year would have led to many more as good or better.

And Rutgers was going to bowl games all the time before he got there right?

Took him five years to get to a winning record, when he broke through (Ray Rice) he never approached that level in the next five years. He's not that amazing. Hell he had a four win season a year after a bowl year.

I guess Rutgers should have fired him after that four win season for not "getting them to that next level"?