(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

Reviewed the schedules from 2014 to 2021 from one of the links in this thread and BYU schedules far more MWC and P-12 teams than the AAC. From 2014 to 2021 BYU has 30 games with the MWC, 17 games with the PAC-12, and only 8 games scheduled with the AAC with scheduling to date. They numbers don't lie. BYU definitely prefers the MWC for local games and the West Coast over the East Coast for recruiting purposes. The bowls from the MWC are better for travel purposes for BYU too.

The best the AAC could ever hope for is 3 -5 games for scheduling purposes and bowl access for BYU in AAC bowls. In the Miami Bowl BYU will be an opponent if they remain independent, along with an occasional P-5 team (PAC-12), and the MWC at best. They will play the AAC against the MWC and end up back in the MWC with a Boise Deal if they don't make the B-12.

MW East: BYU, Utah St, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP.

MW West: Boise, SJST, SDST, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, Hawaii.

BYU plays Boise most years for the Championship Game with the winner moving on to the access bowl.

The BE / AAC messed up when they had Boise and SDST in it grasp and the MWC by the throat. When BYU rejoins the MWC it will definatley be equal to if not stronger than the AAC for the number six conference behind the P-5 with BYU and Boise in it.

You may be correct but you are assuming that Boise and BYU stays as good as they are now (BYU will probably have an easier time of doing that in the long run) and that teams like USF and Tulsa stay down. Personally, I like the chances of having Temple, Memphis and Tulane (with recent renewed emphasis being placed on football for each) gain steam over the next few years, along with a resurgence in the USF and Tulsa programs.

I think that the AAC will be a better conference for the foreseeable future , even if BYU is added to the fold for the MWC (which will not happen anyway).

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

Reviewed the schedules from 2014 to 2021 from one of the links in this thread and BYU schedules far more MWC and P-12 teams than the AAC. From 2014 to 2021 BYU has 30 games with the MWC, 17 games with the PAC-12, and only 8 games scheduled with the AAC with scheduling to date. They numbers don't lie. BYU definitely prefers the MWC for local games and the West Coast over the East Coast for recruiting purposes. The bowls from the MWC are better for travel purposes for BYU too.

The best the AAC could ever hope for is 3 -5 games for scheduling purposes and bowl access for BYU in AAC bowls. In the Miami Bowl BYU will be an opponent if they remain independent, along with an occasional P-5 team (PAC-12), and the MWC at best. They will play the AAC against the MWC and end up back in the MWC with a Boise Deal if they don't make the B-12.

MW East: BYU, Utah St, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP.

MW West: Boise, SJST, SDST, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, Hawaii.

BYU plays Boise most years for the Championship Game with the winner moving on to the access bowl.

The BE / AAC messed up when they had Boise and SDST in it grasp and the MWC by the throat. When BYU rejoins the MWC it will definatley be equal to if not stronger than the AAC for the number six conference behind the P-5 with BYU and Boise in it.

The only problem is they dumped the MWC and they don't want to be in that conference. If they did they wouldn't have left. We would love to have BYU but it will not make or break the AAC. We will still be the 6th best conference with or without BYU.

(08-21-2014 10:55 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 10:25 AM)chrisiskingx Wrote:  Well, I would rather have this alliance thing before they get invited to our conference. They'd try to be the de-facto UTexas of our conference (Separate network revenue stream), and would have their home games not a part of the TV deal the AAC makes...

Not a good buy, at all. Plus you can't tailgate there.

You're making it sound like it's the AAC's choice to invite BYU. It's 100% the choice of BYU. They have ALL of the leverage here.

I think you're overly dismissive of his point. BYU may have all of the leverage, such as it is, but that leverage isn't that much. AAC, at this point, is the "beggar", but they don't need BYU and they aren't begging that hard..certainly not enough to grant special Boise-like deals.
And frankly, if it ever gets to the point that the AAC needs BYU, that would mean, by definition, that a BYU expansion (and perhaps a few other moves) would bring a significantly enhanced TV deal into the league. That, of course would greatly benefit BYU, and, at that point, BYU will no longer hold all of the leverage and negotiating power would shift.

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

Reviewed the schedules from 2014 to 2021 from one of the links in this thread and BYU schedules far more MWC and P-12 teams than the AAC. From 2014 to 2021 BYU has 30 games with the MWC, 17 games with the PAC-12, and only 8 games scheduled with the AAC with scheduling to date. They numbers don't lie. BYU definitely prefers the MWC for local games and the West Coast over the East Coast for recruiting purposes. The bowls from the MWC are better for travel purposes for BYU too.

The best the AAC could ever hope for is 3 -5 games for scheduling purposes and bowl access for BYU in AAC bowls. In the Miami Bowl BYU will be an opponent if they remain independent, along with an occasional P-5 team (PAC-12), and the MWC at best. They will play the AAC against the MWC and end up back in the MWC with a Boise Deal if they don't make the B-12.

MW East: BYU, Utah St, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP.

MW West: Boise, SJST, SDST, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, Hawaii.

BYU plays Boise most years for the Championship Game with the winner moving on to the access bowl.

The BE / AAC messed up when they had Boise and SDST in it grasp and the MWC by the throat. When BYU rejoins the MWC it will definatley be equal to if not stronger than the AAC for the number six conference behind the P-5 with BYU and Boise in it.

What's your troll point???

(08-21-2014 09:25 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

Reviewed the schedules from 2014 to 2021 from one of the links in this thread and BYU schedules far more MWC and P-12 teams than the AAC. From 2014 to 2021 BYU has 30 games with the MWC, 17 games with the PAC-12, and only 8 games scheduled with the AAC with scheduling to date. They numbers don't lie. BYU definitely prefers the MWC for local games and the West Coast over the East Coast for recruiting purposes. The bowls from the MWC are better for travel purposes for BYU too.

The best the AAC could ever hope for is 3 -5 games for scheduling purposes and bowl access for BYU in AAC bowls. In the Miami Bowl BYU will be an opponent if they remain independent, along with an occasional P-5 team (PAC-12), and the MWC at best. They will play the AAC against the MWC and end up back in the MWC with a Boise Deal if they don't make the B-12.

MW East: BYU, Utah St, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP.

MW West: Boise, SJST, SDST, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, Hawaii.

BYU plays Boise most years for the Championship Game with the winner moving on to the access bowl.

The BE / AAC messed up when they had Boise and SDST in it grasp and the MWC by the throat. When BYU rejoins the MWC it will definatley be equal to if not stronger than the AAC for the number six conference behind the P-5 with BYU and Boise in it.

What's your troll point???

That BYU and Boise are better than the rest of you most years!

Why is it so difficult for many of you (Trolls) to grasp that the AAC is already the 6th best power athletic conference... It was Nationaly done last season and will continue in doing so many many many times more again. My

(08-20-2014 03:32 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Anyone who follows college football knows BYU is a fine program both on the field and off. They have the same level the history, tradition and pedigree that many of the upper Profit5 have and much more than bottom dweller Profit5 teams. If anyone thinks different they know not of what they speak.

The Big 12 will not expand. They won't need to because they are going to get a CC game and stay at 10.

Would BYU rather hitch it's (football) horse to Cincy, UCF, Navy, Houston, East Carolina, USF, UConn, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, Tulane et al or Boise, San Diego, Fresno, San Jose, Utah St, .....et al?

I have to think the American is a better option for them than the MW. Maybe we could get BYU, Army, Air Force and Colorado State to join us.

Agree with all of this. I'm not saying they're going to join the AAC but there's no way they join MWC-2.0 which is much worse than the MWC-1.0 that they founded and eventually left.

(08-21-2014 09:33 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 09:25 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

Reviewed the schedules from 2014 to 2021 from one of the links in this thread and BYU schedules far more MWC and P-12 teams than the AAC. From 2014 to 2021 BYU has 30 games with the MWC, 17 games with the PAC-12, and only 8 games scheduled with the AAC with scheduling to date. They numbers don't lie. BYU definitely prefers the MWC for local games and the West Coast over the East Coast for recruiting purposes. The bowls from the MWC are better for travel purposes for BYU too.

The best the AAC could ever hope for is 3 -5 games for scheduling purposes and bowl access for BYU in AAC bowls. In the Miami Bowl BYU will be an opponent if they remain independent, along with an occasional P-5 team (PAC-12), and the MWC at best. They will play the AAC against the MWC and end up back in the MWC with a Boise Deal if they don't make the B-12.

MW East: BYU, Utah St, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St, New Mexico, UTEP.

MW West: Boise, SJST, SDST, Nevada, UNLV, Fresno, Hawaii.

BYU plays Boise most years for the Championship Game with the winner moving on to the access bowl.

The BE / AAC messed up when they had Boise and SDST in it grasp and the MWC by the throat. When BYU rejoins the MWC it will definatley be equal to if not stronger than the AAC for the number six conference behind the P-5 with BYU and Boise in it.

What's your troll point???

That BYU and Boise are better than the rest of you most years!

Try again, brah

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

BYU already had an invite to the Big 12 and they couldn't work it out. That's not to say that they ARE going to join the AAC but the writing is on the wall. The Big 12 is happy at 10 and will probably stay that way as long as Texas wants.

(08-21-2014 09:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 03:32 PM)40smokingcannon Wrote:  Anyone who follows college football knows BYU is a fine program both on the field and off. They have the same level the history, tradition and pedigree that many of the upper Profit5 have and much more than bottom dweller Profit5 teams. If anyone thinks different they know not of what they speak.

The Big 12 will not expand. They won't need to because they are going to get a CC game and stay at 10.

Would BYU rather hitch it's (football) horse to Cincy, UCF, Navy, Houston, East Carolina, USF, UConn, Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, Tulane et al or Boise, San Diego, Fresno, San Jose, Utah St, .....et al?

I have to think the American is a better option for them than the MW. Maybe we could get BYU, Army, Air Force and Colorado State to join us.

Agree with all of this. I'm not saying they're going to join the AAC but there's no way they join MWC-2.0 which is much worse than the MWC-1.0 that they founded and eventually left.

And I agree with this ^^^

And why will BYU join a west conference they already own, recruiting and interest level wise.

(08-20-2014 02:02 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...r-5-school

Does this mean that they are any closer to joining the AAC?

Of course it does.

(08-21-2014 08:48 AM)Bull Wrote:  Well I guess if BYU is shoring up games out past '18 that blows my theory. Navy would not join up early primarily so they would not have to buy out games. I'd assume would be the same for BYU. So maybe they don't feel this pressure to join a conference after all?

We'll be fine without them, but boy would be nice to get those guys onboard.

It's usually more difficult for Indys to complete a schedule due to the amount of games they have to fill. Until our contract gets bumped significantly I don't see them not scheduling games


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(08-21-2014 09:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

BYU already had an invite to the Big 12 and they couldn't work it out. That's not to say that they ARE going to join the AAC but the writing is on the wall. The Big 12 is happy at 10 and will probably stay that way as long as Texas wants.

Wait what?

(08-22-2014 09:13 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 09:47 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 05:41 PM)panite Wrote:  Why does everyone think that BYU will join the AAC over the MWC if they don't get an invite to the B-12??

BYU already had an invite to the Big 12 and they couldn't work it out. That's not to say that they ARE going to join the AAC but the writing is on the wall. The Big 12 is happy at 10 and will probably stay that way as long as Texas wants.

Wait what?

OK, I'll put it this way, they were a shoe in but their media deal made it impossible to work out. BYU was the clear #1 choice before they fell back on TCU.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...u-perk-up/
http://www.spitbloodtcu.com/2012/06/how-...nvite.html

How about Ice Tea, or Ice Coffee? Are those "hot drinks"?

(08-21-2014 10:12 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 01:03 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 08:11 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The question is if and how long before they wake up and smell the coffee. What will be the final straw?

They're not allowed to smell, taste or touch the coffee as it contains cafeine and most coffee is hot and they don't do hot drinks either so there will be no coffee smelling drinking tasting or touching by BYU

Actually, there's absolutely no prohibition on smelling the coffee. Aaaahhhhhh!

The caffeine thing has been perpetrated by LDS members and not the Church. The book of Doctrine and Covenants (the Section colloquially referred to as the "Word of Wisdom") specifically refers to no "hot drinks." Since then (1830's), latter-day prophets have specified that "hot drinks" includes coffee and green and black tea. Some LDS turned into staunch "no caffeine" proponents, focusing on the health principles of the Word of Wisdom and the addictive nature of caffeine. Other Temple-worthy members in good standing with the Church down several Mountain Dews each day.

In August 2012, the Church issued a brief statement clarifying that "The Church’s health guidelines prohibit alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee. *

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mo...-august-29

I personally don't even drink much soda and rarely drink anything with caffeine. But that's a personal decision based on focusing on my own health and what's best for me.

To bring this back to football, a fun fact about BYU drinking is that the football team has been known to drink pickle juice during games - an old Mormon pioneer remedy for dealing with leg cramps and dehydration.

And, right now I'm drinking the Koolaid for the Church of the Undefeated Season!

(08-22-2014 10:59 AM)TeleCoog Wrote:  How about Ice Tea, or Ice Coffee? Are those "hot drinks"?

(08-21-2014 10:12 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 01:03 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 08:11 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The question is if and how long before they wake up and smell the coffee. What will be the final straw?

They're not allowed to smell, taste or touch the coffee as it contains cafeine and most coffee is hot and they don't do hot drinks either so there will be no coffee smelling drinking tasting or touching by BYU

Actually, there's absolutely no prohibition on smelling the coffee. Aaaahhhhhh!

The caffeine thing has been perpetrated by LDS members and not the Church. The book of Doctrine and Covenants (the Section colloquially referred to as the "Word of Wisdom") specifically refers to no "hot drinks." Since then (1830's), latter-day prophets have specified that "hot drinks" includes coffee and green and black tea. Some LDS turned into staunch "no caffeine" proponents, focusing on the health principles of the Word of Wisdom and the addictive nature of caffeine. Other Temple-worthy members in good standing with the Church down several Mountain Dews each day.

In August 2012, the Church issued a brief statement clarifying that "The Church’s health guidelines prohibit alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee. *

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mo...-august-29

I personally don't even drink much soda and rarely drink anything with caffeine. But that's a personal decision based on focusing on my own health and what's best for me.

To bring this back to football, a fun fact about BYU drinking is that the football team has been known to drink pickle juice during games - an old Mormon pioneer remedy for dealing with leg cramps and dehydration.

And, right now I'm drinking the Koolaid for the Church of the Undefeated Season!

I'm not a Mormon!

Byu is aac

(08-22-2014 11:36 AM)thats great raplh&#3 Wrote:  Byu is aac

proof?

(08-22-2014 10:59 AM)TeleCoog Wrote:  How about Ice Tea, or Ice Coffee? Are those "hot drinks"?

That's a good one. I personally feel that I have been commanded by modern prophets not to drink Tea or Coffee and that the "Ice" doesn't overcome that. So I don't drink either.

Honest question.

Would the current Big 12 really add BYU after what the SEC and ACC have publicly stated?

There is no reason in the world for the AAC to give a special deal to BYU other than allowing them to complete their current contract.[/u]