(08-19-2014 09:23 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:21 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

His perimeter D is mostly a footwork problem which is very hard to correct at this point. Probably why he backs off so much to defend the drive as his footwork makes him a 'slow" defender. He comes very close to crossing his feet sometimes-something taught to 6-7 year olds-probably never put in the work to correct it.

Nah, maybe a bit of unlearning some bad habits. But you get his hip flexors stronger, get him doing some workouts to get a bit more fluidity in his hips, make sure he's extremely conditioned and he'll be an adequate defender at worst.

Have you ever played or coached? Just curious.

(08-19-2014 10:08 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:23 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:21 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

His perimeter D is mostly a footwork problem which is very hard to correct at this point. Probably why he backs off so much to defend the drive as his footwork makes him a 'slow" defender. He comes very close to crossing his feet sometimes-something taught to 6-7 year olds-probably never put in the work to correct it.

Nah, maybe a bit of unlearning some bad habits. But you get his hip flexors stronger, get him doing some workouts to get a bit more fluidity in his hips, make sure he's extremely conditioned and he'll be an adequate defender at worst.

Have you ever played or coached? Just curious.

Yes.

(08-19-2014 09:23 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:21 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

His perimeter D is mostly a footwork problem which is very hard to correct at this point. Probably why he backs off so much to defend the drive as his footwork makes him a 'slow" defender. He comes very close to crossing his feet sometimes-something taught to 6-7 year olds-probably never put in the work to correct it.

Nah, maybe a bit of unlearning some bad habits. But you get his hip flexors stronger, get him doing some workouts to get a bit more fluidity in his hips, make sure he's extremely conditioned and he'll be an adequate defender at worst.

Make him get in the defensive position and snake the court... I agree that defensive position (proper posture and foot work) is something that can definitely be taught and improved at any level. It is far more about discipline and having a solid base than anything else. King is far too long and too athletic to convince me that he cannot be a decent defender.

I think Nick King can become such a good player because he has that natural knack and instinct. But he has this Big Bird build and movement. lol He can improve his fluidity though, so let's hope he can improve that agility to be an adequate defender. It won't be done by the early season though. So any expectations better find some reality.

People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)tigerbluejs Wrote:  I think Nick King can become such a good player because he has that natural knack and instinct. But he has this Big Bird build and movement. lol He can improve his fluidity though, so let's hope he can improve that agility to be an adequate defender. It won't be done by the early season though. So any expectations better find some reality.

Get him in the yoga studio, bruh.

(08-19-2014 10:41 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)tigerbluejs Wrote:  I think Nick King can become such a good player because he has that natural knack and instinct. But he has this Big Bird build and movement. lol He can improve his fluidity though, so let's hope he can improve that agility to be an adequate defender. It won't be done by the early season though. So any expectations better find some reality.

Get him in the yoga studio, bruh.

Some people can learn others cannot...

Do you think he has not WORKED on his right hand...Or do you think he has other issues why it is much more difficult for him to become proficient with it.

(08-19-2014 11:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:41 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)tigerbluejs Wrote:  I think Nick King can become such a good player because he has that natural knack and instinct. But he has this Big Bird build and movement. lol He can improve his fluidity though, so let's hope he can improve that agility to be an adequate defender. It won't be done by the early season though. So any expectations better find some reality.

Get him in the yoga studio, bruh.

Some people can learn others cannot...

Do you think he has not WORKED on his right hand...Or do you think he has other issues why it is much more difficult for him to become proficient with it.

I haven't seen him go hard to his right, but he has been handling the ball with his right hand.

Human brain is still evolving. Brain pathways are made faster than we think...lol. The biggest block to new brain pathways is the mind thinking and 'believing' it would be a struggle.

(08-19-2014 10:40 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

Hopefully the truth is at least halfway between what Cotton posted and the skeptical chick. One thing for sure is that he is trying.

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

Last year Nick averaged 4.9 points and 3.3 rebounds in only 11 minutes per game. If you would have adjusted his stats and everyone else's for 40 minutes per game, he would have been second in points (17.8 ppg) behind Dixon (20.6 ppg) and first in rebounds (12.0 rpg). He does have to make improvements on the defensive end, but there's no doubt he is crazy productive offensively and on the boards.

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

Disinterest? Did you even watch the games? He hustled the entire time he was in.

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

Doh. It is early in the season and all players shake off the rust even if they have played in summer leagues. Most players get better as the season progresses. Some don't. But since you wanted to get all scienced up you might want to consider some other areas of sports medicine that have a direct effect on a player's ability.

Knowing what types of muscle a person has is important. There are Type I, Type II, Type IIa and Type IIb. For example world class printers have more quick twitch muscles (possibly upwards of 80%) and marathon runners have more slow twitch muscles (80% slow twitch.)

Proper and repetitive training will help those with quick twitch to develop more endurance and those with slow twitch to develop more quickness. That is the physical aspect. Repetitive practice on rebounding, blocking out, running set plays, and so on improves a player's skill set.

Learning to play as a team, coming back from deficits to win a game, winning on the road, and accepting constructive criticism to help a player continue to develop are just some parts of the mental aspect.

For the top tier teams it is January, February, and March when you find out what you are made of, not friggin August.

GTG

(08-19-2014 01:09 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

Disinterest? Did you even watch the games? He hustled the entire time he was in.

Don't make me post video.

(08-19-2014 01:11 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

Doh. It is early in the season and all players shake off the rust even if they have played in summer leagues. Most players get better as the season progresses. Some don't. But since you wanted to get all scienced up you might want to consider some other areas of sports medicine that have a direct effect on a player's ability.

Knowing what types of muscle a person has is important. There are Type I, Type II, Type IIa and Type IIb. For example world class printers have more quick twitch muscles (possibly upwards of 80%) and marathon runners have more slow twitch muscles (80% slow twitch.)

Proper and repetitive training will help those with quick twitch to develop more endurance and those with slow twitch to develop more quickness. That is the physical aspect. Repetitive practice on rebounding, blocking out, running set plays, and so on improves a player's skill set.

Learning to play as a team, coming back from deficits to win a game, winning on the road, and accepting constructive criticism to help a player continue to develop are just some parts of the mental aspect.

For the top tier teams it is January, February, and March when you find out what you are made of, not friggin August.

GTG

So there's still a chance?

(08-19-2014 01:22 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:11 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

Doh. It is early in the season and all players shake off the rust even if they have played in summer leagues. Most players get better as the season progresses. Some don't. But since you wanted to get all scienced up you might want to consider some other areas of sports medicine that have a direct effect on a player's ability.

Knowing what types of muscle a person has is important. There are Type I, Type II, Type IIa and Type IIb. For example world class printers have more quick twitch muscles (possibly upwards of 80%) and marathon runners have more slow twitch muscles (80% slow twitch.)

Proper and repetitive training will help those with quick twitch to develop more endurance and those with slow twitch to develop more quickness. That is the physical aspect. Repetitive practice on rebounding, blocking out, running set plays, and so on improves a player's skill set.

Learning to play as a team, coming back from deficits to win a game, winning on the road, and accepting constructive criticism to help a player continue to develop are just some parts of the mental aspect.

For the top tier teams it is January, February, and March when you find out what you are made of, not friggin August.

GTG

So there's still a chance?

And here's your beer.

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

He wasn't very good at it, but he worked hard.