(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

(08-19-2014 11:17 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:41 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)tigerbluejs Wrote:  I think Nick King can become such a good player because he has that natural knack and instinct. But he has this Big Bird build and movement. lol He can improve his fluidity though, so let's hope he can improve that agility to be an adequate defender. It won't be done by the early season though. So any expectations better find some reality.

Get him in the yoga studio, bruh.

Some people can learn others cannot...

Do you think he has not WORKED on his right hand...Or do you think he has other issues why it is much more difficult for him to become proficient with it.

10,000 hours. He's got a long road to hoe, but he can do it.

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Dude, you oughta quit banging that drum. Watch the stream from last night again. Hell, Jason and Grant mention Nick's bad perimeter defense independantly at different points. Simply denying that this is an area that he needs to work on doesn't make the problem go away.

But you're right, Nick will be tasked with keeping opposing guards out of the lane when he's playing at the 3, so this will be a concern until he's conquered it.

(08-19-2014 01:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

Nick is playing the 3 predominantly this year, which is why he's got to get this issue shored up.

(08-19-2014 01:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

(08-19-2014 02:13 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

Nick is playing the 3 predominantly this year, which is why he's got to get this issue shored up.

We did this last year. Nick needs to get better on defense. But so does everyone else on the team. Austin had trouble defending bigs, shawl would let fouls get in his head and get passive. Or sometimes he just wasn't into it. All the guards were hit or miss defensively except geron and. It's silly to pick on nick when the whole team struggled. I'd expect we're going to struggle again with our backcourt defense given the inexperience.

King not playing last year had less to do with his defense than it did with pastners and the senior guards preconception of how the season should go.

I'm betting nick is going to be one of our top 2 scorers and rebounders this year.

(08-19-2014 03:46 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 02:13 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

Nick is playing the 3 predominantly this year, which is why he's got to get this issue shored up.

We did this last year. Nick needs to get better on defense. But so does everyone else on the team. Austin had trouble defending bigs, shawl would let fouls get in his head and get passive. Or sometimes he just wasn't into it. All the guards were hit or miss defensively except geron and. It's silly to pick on nick when the whole team struggled. I'd expect we're going to struggle again with our backcourt defense given the inexperience.

King not playing last year had less to do with his defense than it did with pastners and the senior guards preconception of how the season should go.

I'm betting nick is going to be one of our top 2 scorers and rebounders this year.

(08-19-2014 01:11 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 10:33 AM)Cotten Wrote:  People who have watched King work out say he has no lateral quickness or mobility at all. It goes beyond footwork, he doesn't seem to have the neurological pathways and muscle memory to physically execute the things you have to do as a defender at the 3. It does not sound like a quick fix.

Doh. It is early in the season and all players shake off the rust even if they have played in summer leagues. Most players get better as the season progresses. Some don't. But since you wanted to get all scienced up you might want to consider some other areas of sports medicine that have a direct effect on a player's ability.

Knowing what types of muscle a person has is important. There are Type I, Type II, Type IIa and Type IIb. For example world class printers have more quick twitch muscles (possibly upwards of 80%) and marathon runners have more slow twitch muscles (80% slow twitch.)

Proper and repetitive training will help those with quick twitch to develop more endurance and those with slow twitch to develop more quickness. That is the physical aspect. Repetitive practice on rebounding, blocking out, running set plays, and so on improves a player's skill set.

Learning to play as a team, coming back from deficits to win a game, winning on the road, and accepting constructive criticism to help a player continue to develop are just some parts of the mental aspect.

For the top tier teams it is January, February, and March when you find out what you are made of, not friggin August.

GTG

When the people at practice have noted that King is so notably unable to move laterally to the extent that even the greatest optimists among them are predicting a lot of zone D when King is at the 3, you know it's more than running a few drills and going to a few Rex Kwon Do classes.

I might be a scratch golfer by the end of fall if I can get my swing grooved in, but anyone would be a fool to bet on it.

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:33 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Sounds like King may be our most impactful player on the offensive end this season.

However, I'm disappointed to hear that his troubles defending the perimeter have carried over to this year (at least, as of August). I remember when I pointed this out last season as a reason that he wasn't getting as many minutes, and a few folks around here lost their minds. I was hoping that the staff would've spent a significant amount of time instructing him over the summer to get him up to speed re: guarding the 3 spot.

If he can put that piece of the puzzle in place, it'll go a long way to shoring up our defensive concerns this season.

This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

Thats funny

It will be interesting to see who has a short hook and who doesn't with all the new guys this year. I'm interested to see pastner coach under this scenario and starting his 6th season. How much he has developed will be more important the all the new players.

(08-19-2014 06:45 PM)Malachi Wrote:  It will be interesting to see who has a short hook and who doesn't with all the new guys this year. I'm interested to see pastner coach under this scenario and starting his 6th season. How much he has developed will be more important the all the new players.

If we get Kedren it will be very interesting.

(08-19-2014 03:46 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 02:13 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:45 PM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:06 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 12:52 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  This is precisely what I was going to say. Don't get me wrong, I love the kid, but the reason his minutes were limited last year was because of his disinterest in playing defense. As good as Nick is on the stat sheet, if he doesn't start playing defense his minutes will again be limited. Defense is the prime factor in determining playing time for Coach Pastner just like it was for Cal.

His disinterest as opposed to Crawford, joe, Shaq, etc? Get a grip. Nick is not nearly as bad of a defender as some people on here try to make him out to be to try to justify pastners bad personnel decisions last year.

Our defensive concerns this season are going to be, like last year, if our guards will ever keep anybody out of the paint.

Exactly.

This was just another flimsy excuse to play the three guard lineup. Chris got smoked a lot and allowed opposing 3’s to have career days against us. Plus how many times did he attack the rim all year? 15-20?

Last year was the year of the 4 Kings and this was the way it was going to be no matter what.

Nick is playing the 3 predominantly this year, which is why he's got to get this issue shored up.

We did this last year. Nick needs to get better on defense. But so does everyone else on the team. Austin had trouble defending bigs, shawl would let fouls get in his head and get passive. Or sometimes he just wasn't into it. All the guards were hit or miss defensively except geron and. It's silly to pick on nick when the whole team struggled. I'd expect we're going to struggle again with our backcourt defense given the inexperience.

King not playing last year had less to do with his defense than it did with pastners and the senior guards preconception of how the season should go.

I'm betting nick is going to be one of our top 2 scorers and rebounders this year.

Nick's perimeter defense was a very large contributing factor to his relegation to the 4. We need him at the 3 this season, so I hope he makes big strides before the season.

As he plays better he will get more playing time.

One day some will leave Joe alone- considering our team may have danced in ZERO tournaments without him the last four years- but- unfortunately- this is not that day yet I guess- as even complimenting King on some nice exhibition games apparently cannot be done without the tired potshot at one of our best ever players.