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RE: Tulane and SMU are the most valuable programs in this conference.
(08-17-2014 04:28 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Ok before all you ECU, UConn, Houston, Cincinnati et. al. pull an SNL Jim Belushi....

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Hear me out.

I was thinking about this possible scenario today. Let's say that inclusion into the P5 comes to a legal battle. Naturally, we'd have to defend ourselves from criticism as to why we don't belong with the tOSU's, Florida's, Stanfords of the world. So we begin to match criteria.

On The Field Performance? - WVU annihilated Clemson in the Orange Bowl under the banner of this (for all intents and purposes) conference. Louisville won their Sugar Bowl, UCF beat the defending Sugar Bowl champs, beat the Big 12 champs and won the Fiesta Bowl against all odds. UConn AGAIN won the Mens AND Women's NCAA tournament, and they weren't even the favorites to win the conference. This is a no brainer. We can play the best we can be the best.

Academia? - UConn, SMU, Tulane, Navy, Tulsa are literally some of the best universities in the nation. A degree from there will open up doors no other university could. Easily equals of the Purdue's, the Duke's, the Vanderbilt's of the world.

Money? - Not that this should be a point of contention but really, it is. Again Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy bring the dollar bills in more than one way, and all have shown the ability to invest in their on the field product.

Attendance? - Ok. No one in this conference is pushing 80-100k in the stands. But then again, who outside of the typical candidates do? If that is a requirement of P5 then Duke, Wake Forest, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Purdue, and all the usual candidates are out. That's more an argument for an inclusion rather than exclusion.

My Point - Why are Tulane and SMU the most important members?

Pedigree - Some will point to our conference and say, "Oh who among you have the qualities of the Blue Bloods, where can you point and be proud of your history that can stand on the toes of THE [insert overly arrogant university here]"

Tulane has the same number of SEC championships as Kentucky, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, South Carolina, aTm, and Vanderbilt COMBINED

SMU has won 11 Southwest Conference Championships in a conference that contained 7 other current P5 teams.

While we can all pound our chest and state that we deserve, I think, legally, with SMU and Tulane in our ranks, we can point to them as our "Ace in the Hole". With these universities amongst us, there is no argument the P5 can make that we can't match.

Someone tell me why i'm wrong.

Valuable members, yes. Glad to have them. But....Tulane has been horrible lately except for last year and their fans have been terrible. ECU had more fans at UAB than the Superdome the last few times we played there. Hopefully the new stadium will bring some fans back consistently.

SMU has been decent lately but hardly the most valuable. The have a huge endowment so I guess they have the cash but I'm not sure they will ever get over the death penalty. Their fans still don't pack the place. Basketball definitely better with Larry Brown but will it last? Not sure about them. The jury is still out.
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i think our administration and a few very key trustees have seen the light on basketball, and even when Larry retires we are committed to staying on the page with basketball. With football it is much tougher in Texas - since there are many teams sucking the oxygen away from us (and UH) - both college and pro. Very tough to be nationally relevant when everyone knows a recruit doesn't ever think they will play for a national championship in a G-5 conference - therefore you are picking amongst those that are left. Different than basketball.

June is pretty good developing talent - he is just not that good at attracting enough of it to make a difference. Plus his stubbornness regarding no power sets kills us on 3rd downs and in the red zone - which means we lose a bunch of games even when we have better talent.
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(08-17-2014 04:28 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Ok before all you ECU, UConn, Houston, Cincinnati et. al. pull an SNL Jim Belushi....

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Hear me out.

I was thinking about this possible scenario today. Let's say that inclusion into the P5 comes to a legal battle. Naturally, we'd have to defend ourselves from criticism as to why we don't belong with the tOSU's, Florida's, Stanfords of the world. So we begin to match criteria.

On The Field Performance? - WVU annihilated Clemson in the Orange Bowl under the banner of this (for all intents and purposes) conference. Louisville won their Sugar Bowl, UCF beat the defending Sugar Bowl champs, beat the Big 12 champs and won the Fiesta Bowl against all odds. UConn AGAIN won the Mens AND Women's NCAA tournament, and they weren't even the favorites to win the conference. This is a no brainer. We can play the best we can be the best.

Academia? - UConn, SMU, Tulane, Navy, Tulsa are literally some of the best universities in the nation. A degree from there will open up doors no other university could. Easily equals of the Purdue's, the Duke's, the Vanderbilt's of the world.

Money? - Not that this should be a point of contention but really, it is. Again Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy bring the dollar bills in more than one way, and all have shown the ability to invest in their on the field product.

Attendance? - Ok. No one in this conference is pushing 80-100k in the stands. But then again, who outside of the typical candidates do? If that is a requirement of P5 then Duke, Wake Forest, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Purdue, and all the usual candidates are out. That's more an argument for an inclusion rather than exclusion.

My Point - Why are Tulane and SMU the most important members?

Pedigree - Some will point to our conference and say, "Oh who among you have the qualities of the Blue Bloods, where can you point and be proud of your history that can stand on the toes of THE [insert overly arrogant university here]"

Tulane has the same number of SEC championships as Kentucky, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, South Carolina, aTm, and Vanderbilt COMBINED

SMU has won 11 Southwest Conference Championships in a conference that contained 7 other current P5 teams.

While we can all pound our chest and state that we deserve, I think, legally, with SMU and Tulane in our ranks, we can point to them as our "Ace in the Hole". With these universities amongst us, there is no argument the P5 can make that we can't match.

Someone tell me why i'm wrong.

I think the sum of the parts are more important than any individual school or schools.

Each school brings something to the table that create the conditions for the conference to stay at the top echelon of college athletics.

Connecticut, Memphis and Temple bring storied basketball programs.

UCF brings an up and coming football program that has transformed from an FCS school into a BCS champion almost overnight. It is also brings a massive student body and a large chunk of Florida (as well you know). The same could be said for USF.

Navy brings history.....................and the national spotlight.

Houston was also part of the old Southwest Conference for 24 years and has a lot of success. Who can forgot Clyde and Hakeem, Case Keenam, Andre Ware, etc.

Tulsa has struggled of late, but athletically was one of the most consistent programs in CUSA.

Cincinnati, like Tulsa, was one of the best (if not the best) well rounded programs in the OBE.

If we're talking which schools have the best chance or are the most deserving of a P5 invitation factoring a multitude of criteria, than SMU/Tulane could be right there at the top of the list for many reasons, but if we're talking which schools will help to make the American the best conference it can be, then the answer is "all the above".
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agreed - everyone brings something diferent to the table in this conference.

What we lack in fan attendance for football, schools like ECU more than make up for it.
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Good thread. I would agree that every member contributes strength, in one category or another... This conference is way more valuable than it's current TV deal reflects, and is easily the sole '+1' to ride along with the P5. Provided we don't get raided again and again. My biggest fear is that they rig the game to make sure we stay lumped in with the SBC, cUSA, etc. I see that starting already....
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(08-17-2014 07:12 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  [quote='Kruciff' pid='11001609' dateline='1408310896']

Someone tell me why i'm wrong.

Because the days of pretending that any of this has to do with higher education and tradition are gone. College football has gone corporate and the only thing that matters is the bottom line. TV revenue, merchandizing, ticket sales. How does your brand convert to the consumer in America?

All the things you say are correct and they are nice to think about, but none of it is going to matter when it comes to inclusion. The question is always going to be about the Benjamins. How many TV sets can the AAC bring to the table. That is the analysis you need to make.
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Our putrid last 10 years made us the anti envy of the ball.
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Navy is this conferences Nuclear Option. If the Pom-Pom 5 don't want to include us, we'll just send out the fleet.

Launch em boys!!!!

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(08-17-2014 06:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  SEC did not expand with SMU and Tulane, nor did the Big 12. So how do you figure that they are valuable? 07-coffee3

Because he's talking about the AAC not the SEC or B12.
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any list that doesn't have uconn as the clear cut front runner for most valuable member loses all credibility.

I have my beefs with uconn and think there are a number of logical explanations to say other AAC schools have more value. But public perception beats out logic every day of the week (which uconn benefits greatly from)
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(08-17-2014 04:28 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Ok before all you ECU, UConn, Houston, Cincinnati et. al. pull an SNL Jim Belushi....

[Image: 80EXj.gif]

Hear me out.

I was thinking about this possible scenario today. Let's say that inclusion into the P5 comes to a legal battle. Naturally, we'd have to defend ourselves from criticism as to why we don't belong with the tOSU's, Florida's, Stanfords of the world. So we begin to match criteria.

On The Field Performance? - WVU annihilated Clemson in the Orange Bowl under the banner of this (for all intents and purposes) conference. Louisville won their Sugar Bowl, UCF beat the defending Sugar Bowl champs, beat the Big 12 champs and won the Fiesta Bowl against all odds. UConn AGAIN won the Mens AND Women's NCAA tournament, and they weren't even the favorites to win the conference. This is a no brainer. We can play the best we can be the best.

Academia? - UConn, SMU, Tulane, Navy, Tulsa are literally some of the best universities in the nation. A degree from there will open up doors no other university could. Easily equals of the Purdue's, the Duke's, the Vanderbilt's of the world.

Money? - Not that this should be a point of contention but really, it is. Again Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy bring the dollar bills in more than one way, and all have shown the ability to invest in their on the field product.

Attendance? - Ok. No one in this conference is pushing 80-100k in the stands. But then again, who outside of the typical candidates do? If that is a requirement of P5 then Duke, Wake Forest, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Purdue, and all the usual candidates are out. That's more an argument for an inclusion rather than exclusion.

My Point - Why are Tulane and SMU the most important members?

Pedigree - Some will point to our conference and say, "Oh who among you have the qualities of the Blue Bloods, where can you point and be proud of your history that can stand on the toes of THE [insert overly arrogant university here]"

Tulane has the same number of SEC championships as Kentucky, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, South Carolina, aTm, and Vanderbilt COMBINED

SMU has won 11 Southwest Conference Championships in a conference that contained 7 other current P5 teams.

While we can all pound our chest and state that we deserve, I think, legally, with SMU and Tulane in our ranks, we can point to them as our "Ace in the Hole". With these universities amongst us, there is no argument the P5 can make that we can't match.

Someone tell me why i'm wrong.

All sound & valid points/opinions. Makes sense! This is where the value of all the Service Academies being in the AAC would help in terms of national attention, IMO.

GREAT thread, and I am dying from laughter over the SNL clip! It could be applied to so many aspects of life! LOL! Thanks for posting, Kruciff!

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LOL
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(08-18-2014 09:36 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 06:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  SEC did not expand with SMU and Tulane, nor did the Big 12. So how do you figure that they are valuable? 07-coffee3

Because he's talking about the AAC not the SEC or B12.

Also, Tulane was once part of the SEC. They withdrew voluntarily to focus more on academics. And I might be wrong, but I don't think they want to rejoin it anytime soon.
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Princeton has 26 National Titles in Football. Lets add them too.

Yale has 18.

Havard 8.

Cornell 3.

That Ivy League Conference probably most valued in all College Football.
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In the current "You In?" promo on ESPN, Tulane is the only G5 school included. Just saying.
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(08-19-2014 10:22 AM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:36 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 06:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  SEC did not expand with SMU and Tulane, nor did the Big 12. So how do you figure that they are valuable? 07-coffee3

Because he's talking about the AAC not the SEC or B12.

Also, Tulane was once part of the SEC. They withdrew voluntarily to focus more on academics. And I might be wrong, but I don't think they want to rejoin it anytime soon.

Why on earth would you think that?

If we got an SEC invite tomorrow we would trip over our ****s running to accept it.

You have to understand, when we withdrew, it was never imaginable that CFB would become as lucrative as it has because there was basically no tv money. Let alone did anyone ever think that the SEC would be so ridiculously valuable as a tv commodity.

It wasn't like we saw where everything was headed and said... "nah, we'd like to run a cash-strapped athletics program." There were lots of teams doing fine as independents at the time and we really wanted to play a national schedule. We didn't see the point in continuing to play Southern schools who were putting 180 kids on football scholarships. There was no payoff in it for us.

Given the benefit of hindsight we'd never have left, and we would absolutely rejoin in a heartbeat.
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(08-19-2014 07:29 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(08-19-2014 10:22 AM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:36 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  
(08-17-2014 06:28 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  SEC did not expand with SMU and Tulane, nor did the Big 12. So how do you figure that they are valuable? 07-coffee3

Because he's talking about the AAC not the SEC or B12.

Also, Tulane was once part of the SEC. They withdrew voluntarily to focus more on academics. And I might be wrong, but I don't think they want to rejoin it anytime soon.

Why on earth would you think that?

If we got an SEC invite tomorrow we would trip over our ****s running to accept it.

You have to understand, when we withdrew, it was never imaginable that CFB would become as lucrative as it has because there was basically no tv money. Let alone did anyone ever think that the SEC would be so ridiculously valuable as a tv commodity.

It wasn't like we saw where everything was headed and said... "nah, we'd like to run a cash-strapped athletics program." There were lots of teams doing fine as independents at the time and we really wanted to play a national schedule. We didn't see the point in continuing to play Southern schools who were putting 180 kids on football scholarships. There was no payoff in it for us.

Given the benefit of hindsight we'd never have left, and we would absolutely rejoin in a heartbeat.

It was just the sense I got from a couple people on here over the years. That's all.
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(08-19-2014 05:25 PM)GLinPa Wrote:  In the current "You In?" promo on ESPN, Tulane is the only G5 school included. Just saying.

The Nebraska mascot scene was filmed on SMU's campus. Apparently, the crew filmed with the SMU cheerleaders as well for a future cut of the commercial.
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(08-17-2014 05:15 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  I have always said that Tulane, SMU and Navy are extremely valuable members and you did a pretty good job of explaining why. All AAC members are valuable in their own important ways. We certainly have the most diverse FBS conference. With vision and a positive spirit of togetherness, that can be a strength.

GA - I hardly stop by anymore but I just wanted to commend your consistency. You have typed a variation of this paragraph and most notably the final sentence probably 3-10 times per week for the last ten years. You've done this regardless of the programs in the conference or the conference itself as long as the Tigers are associated with it. It is either a testament to your firm and principled belief or your mental instability. So when you claim "I have always said...", I will vouch 110% that for once an "always said" statement is not hyperbole in the least.
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just for clarification ... that's JOHN Belushi not Jim ... those newscasts were absolutely priceless!!! ... still lmao every time 03-lmfao
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