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RE: Jordan Van Dort
I love Peejs quote..."We are allowing him to take some time"....yeah like it was up to Peej.
Van Dort is a good player, but....he's been the stud (understatement) his whole life....he wasnt going to play for a couple years...I'm guessing he was told different, and realizes it now.
Playing TE in a full house T to trying to play C D1...doesn't often work.
Bet you see him in a GVSU uniform before you see him in a WMU one.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 08:52 PM)Doo Wrote: I love Peejs quote..."We are allowing him to take some time"....yeah like it was up to Peej.
Van Dort is a good player, but....he's been the stud (understatement) his whole life....he wasnt going to play for a couple years...I'm guessing he was told different, and realizes it now.
Playing TE in a full house T to trying to play C D1...doesn't often work.
Bet you see him in a GVSU uniform before you see him in a WMU one.
If he isn't in class in a few weeks then it becomes "definite"
Recruits are always told they'll have a chance to start, but if there are two guys that are light years ahead of you, you can either do what 99% of Olinemen do and put in the time! or you can pack it in and find a place that fits your current skill set.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
HJ how many guys from signing day are not active right now?
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
I can't see him doing well at gvsu with his limited experience catching the ball. I am sure he can play their but not sure it is his strength.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
Looks like DD in fact has spoken with PJ and has a story up indicating that Van Dort has left indefinitely dealing with some personal issues.
We will see if he comes back.
Now credit where credit is due. Thank you DD for getting with PJ and sharing what info you can.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 09:42 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote: I can't see him doing well at gvsu with his limited experience catching the ball. I am sure he can play their but not sure it is his strength.
Do you think he believes he can play TE at 280?
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 09:47 PM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: Looks like DD in fact has spoken with PJ and has a story up indicating that Van Dort has left indefinitely dealing with some personal issues.
We will see if he comes back.
Now credit where credit is due. Thank you DD for getting with PJ and sharing what info you can.
Several people asked him to ask the question on mlive.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 09:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: (08-13-2014 09:47 PM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: Looks like DD in fact has spoken with PJ and has a story up indicating that Van Dort has left indefinitely dealing with some personal issues.
We will see if he comes back.
Now credit where credit is due. Thank you DD for getting with PJ and sharing what info you can.
Several people asked him to ask the question on mlive.
You're right. I forgot. David is an idiot that doesn't know how to do his job. Luckily the fans were there to tell him what to do and help him set up a time to talk with PJ. Good grief, give the man some credit. He got the info you wanted. And I'm not sure any of those other in depth sources did.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
Word around locally is he has left the team for good to pursue other things. He is an awesome kid, is super smart like got 34 on ACT and wants to pursue a medical degree. Good for him.
Also agree with the fact that he has never really "played" OL in the wing T that Zeeland runs. Wanted to play TE in college, but that wasn't going to work for many teams. Fleck probably told him they would try him at TE but most likely would have to learn to be an Offensive lineman. Never pass blocked in his life, played at lower division football level in HS against smaller players and small town teams. Definitely did not play in the OK RED against the big boys. Most likely wasn't in shape, got beat up, and realized he hasn't going to play for awhile.
Regardless, it really is about what makes him happy and for a young man to walk away from a game that he has played probably most of his life it was probably a tough decision.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 09:54 PM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: (08-13-2014 09:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: (08-13-2014 09:47 PM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: Looks like DD in fact has spoken with PJ and has a story up indicating that Van Dort has left indefinitely dealing with some personal issues.
We will see if he comes back.
Now credit where credit is due. Thank you DD for getting with PJ and sharing what info you can.
Several people asked him to ask the question on mlive.
You're right. I forgot. David is an idiot that doesn't know how to do his job. Luckily the fans were there to tell him what to do and help him set up a time to talk with PJ. Good grief, give the man some credit. He got the info you wanted. And I'm not sure any of those other in depth sources did.
No kidding, getting a little "much" with that routine.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
Anyone who claims that David Drew is failing at his job is an idiot. We don't know his business and we don't know what kind of effort he is putting forth on a day to day basis to bring our dumb a$$es the actual facts. This story is a prime example of the actual situation. We needed validation... and DD gave it to us ... finally. After less than 24hrs of the speculation appearing here.
As i noted earlier... I am not surprised that a young recruit is leaving the program early... Sure, there are some of us here that hear things through people, or awkwardly follow parents and family twitters/facebooks and such... But the truth eventually still comes through in our media outlets. I thank DD for staying on top of these things... It's too bad that many hear think that DD is part of the problem and not actually part of the solution when it comes to our media issues...
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
If I am to speculate... (as these boards allow us to do)... I would side with Kimbo on this one. Kid has crazy size... and it probably really helped him dominate in H.S. However... put him in a place where his size really didn't off-set the norm... well... it probably really wasn't something he was used to dealing with... I can only hope that I am completely wrong... and he's just taking some time off to figure out his scholastic future and will eventually return to be a stud OL for WMU...
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 10:08 PM)flushtheherd Wrote: Anyone who claims that David Drew is failing at his job is an idiot. We don't know his business and we don't know what kind of effort he is putting forth on a day to day basis to bring our dumb a$$es the actual facts. This story is a prime example of the actual situation. We needed validation... and DD gave it to us ... finally. After less than 24hrs of the speculation appearing here.
As i noted earlier... I am not surprised that a young recruit is leaving the program early... Sure, there are some of us here that hear things through people, or awkwardly follow parents and family twitters/facebooks and such... But the truth eventually still comes through in our media outlets. I thank DD for staying on top of these things... It's too bad that many hear think that DD is part of the problem and not actually part of the solution when it comes to our media issues...
Let me get this straight. Somebody here brings up the rumor yesterday. Two or three people bring it up to DD in comments on an article he had up. DD responds and says, "I'll look into it at tonight's practice." After tonight's practice DD has a 3 paragraph article answering the question.
In your world this is an example of a great journalist?
It's journalism 101. Nice that he followed up on a rumor, but hardly great journalism.
A great journalist gets texts at night from unnamed members of the staff (sometimes guys as low as student managers) who tip them off when stuff is going on. We had those kinds of relationships in the past.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 10:49 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: (08-13-2014 10:08 PM)flushtheherd Wrote: Anyone who claims that David Drew is failing at his job is an idiot. We don't know his business and we don't know what kind of effort he is putting forth on a day to day basis to bring our dumb a$$es the actual facts. This story is a prime example of the actual situation. We needed validation... and DD gave it to us ... finally. After less than 24hrs of the speculation appearing here.
As i noted earlier... I am not surprised that a young recruit is leaving the program early... Sure, there are some of us here that hear things through people, or awkwardly follow parents and family twitters/facebooks and such... But the truth eventually still comes through in our media outlets. I thank DD for staying on top of these things... It's too bad that many hear think that DD is part of the problem and not actually part of the solution when it comes to our media issues...
Let me get this straight. Somebody here brings up the rumor yesterday. Two or three people bring it up to DD in comments on an article he had up. DD responds and says, "I'll look into it at tonight's practice." After tonight's practice DD has a 3 paragraph article answering the question.
In your world this is an example of a great journalist?
It's journalism 101. Nice that he followed up on a rumor, but hardly great journalism.
A great journalist gets texts at night from unnamed members of the staff (sometimes guys as low as student managers) who tip them off when stuff is going on. We had those kinds of relationships in the past.
As always Dip, you are right on. DD is terrible at what he does. Can't hold a candle to all of the in depth coverage that we used to get when the Kalamazoo Gazette actually existed and its writers were Pulitzer Prize winning journalists.
Interestingly, I know and like Moss, Bowker and Couch, and appreciated all of the coverage they gave us. I also appreciate all of the coverage that David gives us.
Here is a question for you. Has it occurred to you that maybe those guys were able to get some of that info because the coaches they were dealing with had a completely different style that PJ? I am trying to ask that without saying anything derogatory about PJ, because I don't want to upset you and HJ for saying something negative about our coach. But seriously, its simply a completely different approach. As we have discussed at length, I don't recall practices being closed and secretive (for God only knows what reason). I know for a fact that football alums were ALWAYS welcome to be around the program whenever they wanted to be (which isn't the case anymore). And my guess is that media and the guys that you cherish so much had infinitely greater access than DD or anyone else is being given now. So maybe it has a lot less to do with DD's ability, desire and/or resources and more to do with simply a different policy of access being given.
Just a thought.
I know that you are disappointed with the Gazette as a whole and that has obviously manifested itself in your feeling that DD is a hack writer that isn't doing his job. But come on man, he's the ONLY ONE giving us anything. Unless you count our "expert" insiders here on The Bronco Stampede.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-13-2014 10:08 PM)flushtheherd Wrote: Anyone who claims that David Drew is failing at his job is an idiot. We don't know his business and we don't know what kind of effort he is putting forth on a day to day basis to bring our dumb a$$es the actual facts.
Actually, I'm betting there are several people here that do.
Why is it "great journalism" for simply doing your job?
I give him credit for confirming an answer straight from the source, but it's not like "this is a prime example of great journalism."
Does anyone know when he actually left the team? I think I saw something that led me to believe it was as early as late last week. If that's true, we are finding out about it 5 days after the fact, based on a speculative rumor on a message board. Even more, this is becoming consistent.
DD is not "part of the problem". I just want better coverage and need that relationship with Fleck/WMU to progress along a little faster.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-14-2014 05:47 AM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: Here is a question for you. Has it occurred to you that maybe those guys were able to get some of that info because the coaches they were dealing with had a completely different style that PJ?
I'll answer that. Yes, and that doesn't have anything to do with it. We've already been over this.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
Quote:DD is not "part of the problem". I just want better coverage and need that relationship with Fleck/WMU to progress along a little faster.
Now you're going back on your having directly blamed David for not paying his own way to Media Day and blaming him for the bad relationship. You took the harsh position, now you're trying to say it's just that he doesn't have insider gossip information enough for you?
Why don't you hold your boy accountable on BroncoBlitz which is a pay for news model for not getting your gossip style news?
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-14-2014 06:15 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: (08-14-2014 05:47 AM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote: Here is a question for you. Has it occurred to you that maybe those guys were able to get some of that info because the coaches they were dealing with had a completely different style that PJ?
I'll answer that. Yes, and that doesn't have anything to do with it. We've already been over this.
Has everything to do with it, oh blinded by Peej one.
Fear not, he will pull you out of PettiCoat Junction into the big time soon enough.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-14-2014 06:17 AM)DesertBronco Wrote: Why don't you hold your boy accountable on BroncoBlitz which is a pay for news model for not getting your gossip style news?
He could be doing better, you're absolutely right. He also doesn't earn a salary like the people at MLive do.
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RE: Jordan Van Dort
(08-14-2014 06:17 AM)DesertBronco Wrote: Now you're going back on your having directly blamed David for not paying his own way to Media Day and blaming him for the bad relationship. You took the harsh position, now you're trying to say it's just that he doesn't have insider gossip information enough for you?
You're going back to Media Day, not me.
I'm frustrated with DD the journalist, not DD the person. I am a reader. I want better in-depth "as it happens" coverage. Perhaps I'm being greedy, but it's as simple as that.
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