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(08-21-2014 11:06 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
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(08-21-2014 10:28 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  No thanks. Their brand has no legs. You ask the general population and I truly believe less than 10% would know that Georgia St is in Atlanta.

So much different than UCF 10 years ago.

I remember seeing a study that showed that Atlanta has the highest population of college football fans.

Unranked Tier II commuter school, it would be like accepting UCF in the early 90's. Talk to me in at least a decade probably more.

The AAC is not the B1G or SEC. Ohio State is not coming to the AAC. I'd rather take a chance on a "startup", than be stuck with an established program that for decades has a track record of not doing much.

The P5s can say, "yeah, let's let that one simmer for a decade and see what happens." They're in no rush, they're on the top of the mountain.

It's like big business. The Fortune 100 tech companies wait to see what companies pan out and when they pose a threat, they buy them. The AAC is not a Fortune 100 company. They need to find the likely winners before they win and take a chance on them. It's the only way the AAC has a shot of making it the P6.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-21-2014 11:23 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 11:06 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
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(08-21-2014 10:28 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  No thanks. Their brand has no legs. You ask the general population and I truly believe less than 10% would know that Georgia St is in Atlanta.

So much different than UCF 10 years ago.

I remember seeing a study that showed that Atlanta has the highest population of college football fans.

Unranked Tier II commuter school, it would be like accepting UCF in the early 90's. Talk to me in at least a decade probably more.

The AAC is not the B1G or SEC. Ohio State is not coming to the AAC. I'd rather take a chance on a "startup", than be stuck with an established program that for decades has a track record of not doing much.

The P5s can say, "yeah, let's let that one simmer for a decade and see what happens." They're in no rush, they're on the top of the mountain.

It's like big business. The Fortune 100 tech companies wait to see what companies pan out and when they pose a threat, they buy them. The AAC is not a Fortune 100 company. They need to find the likely winners before they win and take a chance on them. It's the only way the AAC has a shot of making it the P6.

No we have to sit back and let the SunBelt and CUSA develop these assets, there's no rush they are not going anywhere. If we lose our best schools, then desperation will set in and we will be screwed no matter what. No school will save us and it will be back to the drawing board for who remains. At that point we can talk, I just don;t see Georgia St as being in the discussion yet. I'd rather focus on successful school that dominate smaller market (I hate to say it but ULL type) and/or schools in less saturated markets (UTSA).
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-21-2014 11:16 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 10:35 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 10:31 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Just being in a large metro does not make your potential through the roof

I don't necessarily agree that Georgia State is on the short list for AAC replacement/expansion - but of all the large metro areas in the US, Atlanta is probably #1 for college football. So, there is likely some untapped potential in Atlanta.

That said, Atlanta is firmly SEC territory, with some ACC relevance.

Georgia Tech and UGA pretty much tapped Atlanta out. Even GT can't gain traction.

I have one rebel child that decided not to go to ECU and she is at UGA all I can say is I just did not know. I thought UNC had a strong basketball fanbase but UGA makes UNC look second rate. Maybe because I live in Charlotte and not the triangle UNC is not as intense here. UGA dominates Atlanta; well at least Mid town north. I have not spent much time south of mid town. I know I would hate to compete for fans against UGA and I bet GT wished they where located on the east coast of GA so they could have a chance of being significant.
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(08-21-2014 08:24 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 07:00 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I honestly don't see how that will work when there's already a high level college football team in DOWNTOWN Atlanta, let alone the behemoth not far away in Athens (UGA). Not to mention that an even bigger behemoth (the Falcons) plays in Downtown Atlanta. It'd be like a D-1 basketball startup in Salt Lake City trying to compete with the Jazz, UU and BYU except that football is WAY more popular.

Are you talking about GT? GT does not have many t-shirt fans, mostly because of their lack of success the past decade. The vast majority of their fans either went to GT or had a close family member (parent or child) go. The other choice, UGA, is extremely expensive to be a season ticket holder. Plus from ATL and most of the burbs it's a 1.5 hour drive to Athens.
There is plenty of room for GSU to grow a fanbase. It will take some on the field success, but they are in the middle of a CFB crazy area. They don't need to be as popular as UGA or even GT to have a plenty big fanbase.

But Georgia Tech does play in major conference, has played major college football longer than GSU has even been around (or close enough) and has major accomplishments like national championships. They play opponents that people in Atlanta really want to see and if they can't, then there are two other major options nearby.

This isn't UTSA or UAB filling a major void in a place devoid of high level football. Atlanta and Georgia have it and have had it for many decades now. I'm not rooting against them, just pointing out how unrealistic it is. Even some schools that have won big still have trouble keeping a fanbase engagaed (e.g. Pitt, Houston, UCLA basketball).
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(08-15-2014 12:53 PM)chess Wrote:  A couple points-

South Florida may have been a young program but it led the Div1-AA schools in attendance when it was admitted into the Big East. USF experienced success like UTSA is experiencing success today.

Georgia State may be struggling to build their fan base but they are looking to make Turner Field their home football stadium. There is interest to making football part of the student experience. While the school may not be attractive to the AAC today, the conference must continue to keep an eye out for partnerships that add to the conference.

I honestly don't see how that will work when there's already a high level college football team in DOWNTOWN Atlanta, let alone the behemoth not far away in Athens (UGA). Not to mention that an even bigger behemoth (the Falcons) plays in Downtown Atlanta. It'd be like a D-1 basketball startup in Salt Lake City trying to compete with the Jazz, UU and BYU except that football is WAY more popular.

Ever lived in a Metropolis of 6m plus? That's how.

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I'm living in a metropolis of 6 million right now and look no further than Houston's failure to gain any serious traction in this market despite lots of history and a time when the school was one of the most beloved in the country. And Houston doesn't even have as much competition in the city limits as Atlanta does.
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(08-23-2014 08:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm living in a metropolis of 6 million right now and look no further than Houston's failure to gain any serious traction in this market despite lots of history and a time when the school was one of the most beloved in the country. And Houston doesn't even have as much competition in the city limits as Atlanta does.

Exact same competition.

Texas
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Whats the difference? Half the people in town are transplants or graduated from a school outside Houston.
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But there is no other major conference school in the city limits (let alone part of town) and Texas A&M is the equivalent to Georgia compared to Atlanta, close but not in the city. There are some local high schools that outdraw or at least come close to outdrawing Rice and that is not an exaggeration so they are not a factor (it speaks to how irrelevant they have been for so long and how popular high school football is here).

That's not to say the situations aren't similar but they are not quite the same. Not only does Houston actually have some very significant history, unlike GSU, but there is no other significant college sports competition in the city other than, believe it or not, the Historically Black Colleges and Universities in the region (Prairie View and TSU; the Labor Day Classic next week is gonna be huge) and the fact is that they serve another audience altogether.
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(08-14-2014 09:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

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hey, no reason to drag louiseville fans into this debate

No difference between ucf and GA State?

1) conference affiliation
2) athletic budget
3) team performance
4) attendance
5) enrollment
6) no other d-1 team within 90 miles
7) #3 draft pick
8) tons of players in the NFL

Outside of those we are pretty equal
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Yes, AAC fans, we all realize that money = worthiness.
Kicked your ass all over the place, but we're not good enough to
be in our own conference anymore.

ECU fans have taken propaganda to a high art form. Give them that.
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(08-24-2014 08:30 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(08-14-2014 09:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

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hey, no reason to drag louiseville fans into this debate

No difference between ucf and GA State?

1) conference affiliation
2) athletic budget
3) team performance
4) attendance
5) enrollment
6) no other d-1 team within 90 miles
7) #3 draft pick
8) tons of players in the NFL

Outside of those we are pretty equal

Bolded the ones that Walmart fans would be expected to know. The rest, not so much. So if UCF doesn't comes up with another Blake Bortles and a big bowl win soon-ish, they fade like Hawaii or Utah after their runs. (Yes, Utah is in the Pac, and Walmart fan has till forgotten they exist.)
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(08-24-2014 11:57 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 08:30 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(08-14-2014 09:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

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hey, no reason to drag louiseville fans into this debate

No difference between ucf and GA State?

1) conference affiliation
2) athletic budget
3) team performance
4) attendance
5) enrollment
6) no other d-1 team within 90 miles
7) #3 draft pick
8) tons of players in the NFL

Outside of those we are pretty equal

Bolded the ones that Walmart fans would be expected to know. The rest, not so much. So if UCF doesn't comes up with another Blake Bortles and a big bowl win soon-ish, they fade like Hawaii or Utah after their runs. (Yes, Utah is in the Pac, and Walmart fan has till forgotten they exist.)

10+ win seasons 3 out of 4 years. 3 straight bowl wins. Preseason hovering around the top 25. Favorite against Penn state.
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And still irrelevant to the ignorant college football fan that pretty much only watches the SEC and the best of the rest. You have to go on an extended run like Boise and TCU or make big splashes like Utah to warrant any attention.
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People here talk about Wal Mart fans as if they are not 80% of football fans. In fact go to work tomorrow and ask the first person you see to name 6 AAC teams.
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(08-24-2014 02:15 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 11:57 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Bolded the ones that Walmart fans would be expected to know. The rest, not so much. So if UCF doesn't comes up with another Blake Bortles and a big bowl win soon-ish, they fade like Hawaii or Utah after their runs. (Yes, Utah is in the Pac, and Walmart fan has till forgotten they exist.)

10+ win seasons 3 out of 4 years. 3 straight bowl wins. Preseason hovering around the top 25. Favorite against Penn state.

All true. But all is forgotten if you don't keep doing it. Which is why I brought up Utah and Hawaii's BCS trips.

In five years, if UCF doesn't make an Access Bowl or two, Walmart Fan outside of Orlando or maybe Florida will dimly recognize both UCF and Georgia State as college football programs.

Walmart Fan may be unsure whether Georgia State _is_ actually a Division I-A school, or are you asking about Appalachian State who beat Michigan that time, or isn't there a Georgia Southern maybe?

So I suppose that Central Florida will be on the same plane as Colorado State, with Walmart Fan at least being pretty sure that UCF and CSU are actual Divisioin I-A programs.

To do better than that, UCF has to put some new skins on the wall before Bortles either washes out as an NFL starter or starts making Pro Bowls.
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(08-24-2014 02:51 PM)panama Wrote:  People here talk about Wal Mart fans as if they are not 80% of football fans. In fact go to work tomorrow and ask the first person you see to name 6 AAC teams.

I will do better than that; tomorrow when I go to work I will ask the first person that I see if they have ever heard of Georgia State University.
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(08-24-2014 02:51 PM)panama Wrote:  People here talk about Wal Mart fans as if they are not 80% of football fans. In fact go to work tomorrow and ask the first person you see to name 6 AAC teams.

Unfortunately, they are and as it is most people only have a casual interest in sports unlike us die-hards. There are many younger fans especially that don't even know that teams outside The Establishment used to be so good and contributed to college sports. Even though mid-majors routinely beat majors in football or play in the Final Four, they still act as if it's a fluke every time or denigrate them every time someone is good because "they don't play anybody."

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(08-24-2014 02:51 PM)panama Wrote:  People here talk about Wal Mart fans as if they are not 80% of football fans. In fact go to work tomorrow and ask the first person you see to name 6 AAC teams.

I will do better than that; tomorrow when I go to work I will ask the first person that I see if they have ever heard of Georgia State University.

You're just reinforcing my point :D

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(08-25-2014 05:58 AM)panama Wrote:  
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(08-24-2014 02:51 PM)panama Wrote:  People here talk about Wal Mart fans as if they are not 80% of football fans. In fact go to work tomorrow and ask the first person you see to name 6 AAC teams.

I will do better than that; tomorrow when I go to work I will ask the first person that I see if they have ever heard of Georgia State University.

You're just reinforcing my point :D

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