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(08-04-2014 09:31 PM)ru4wmu Wrote:  Here are the players not on yesterday's roster compared to 3/21/14 roster: Jay Harris WR Fr
Lonnie Johnson WR Fr
Alon Sims DB Fr
Chris Davis Athl RFr
Manny Diaz DE Sr
Del Shawn Phillips LB Fr
Chris Gore DL RFr

So, 4 of the recruiting class of 27 did not make it.
Diaz saw some limited playing time in the past.
Of course this does not count several kids who left the team between last season's last game and March 2014.

Diaz has been battling injuries on and off, and has been buried on the depth chart for quite some time. Perhaps he saw the writing on the wall.

Dustin Pringle is no longer on the team. He is involved with the team but had a career ending injury.

What happened to Delshawn Phillips? I didn't think academics were going to be a problem.

It's good to see that Jay Harris is no longer on the team. P.J. did the wrong thing by bringing him on board, then the right thing be letting him go.

Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Huh? It was a NO cost high reward proposition. He's not a criminal just a guy who likes something more than football and is really talented. He says the right things you bring him in and see if his commitment is really there. Its not, so you wish him well. How is that the wrong thing? I swear the criticism of Fleck gets more fantastic every day. There is so much legitimate to criticize after a 1-11 season I can't understand why so much effort is made trying to invent Fleck defects for innocuous things like bringing in a transfer.

Its not like he brought the guy in and he was a festering cancer in the locker room who ultimately got in a fight with a teammate on the field or anything.

(08-05-2014 03:47 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Huh? It was a NO cost high reward proposition. He's not a criminal just a guy who likes something more than football and is really talented. He says the right things you bring him in and see if his commitment is really there. Its not, so you wish him well. How is that the wrong thing? I swear the criticism of Fleck gets more fantastic every day. There is so much legitimate to criticize after a 1-11 season I can't understand why so much effort is made trying to invent Fleck defects for innocuous things like bringing in a transfer.

Its not like he brought the guy in and he was a festering cancer in the locker room who ultimately got in a fight with a teammate on the field or anything.

Did you never watch his artistry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7geXuKF7JQM And maybe it should or shouldn't be, but isn't pot still illegal in most states? But actually it's the "lyrics" that are the most vile thing about that video. Repulsive in fact. Dantonio had a look and said "No Thanks!" It has 'Future Team Cancer' written all over it.

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Jayru would be on his third chance...that's if there aren't more we haven't heard about. Character, Character, Character goes long way sometimes, just say'n.

Someone will take a chance with him, if Eeyore Dan does then he is just doing so cause MSU told him too...LOL

(08-05-2014 03:52 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:47 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Huh? It was a NO cost high reward proposition. He's not a criminal just a guy who likes something more than football and is really talented. He says the right things you bring him in and see if his commitment is really there. Its not, so you wish him well. How is that the wrong thing? I swear the criticism of Fleck gets more fantastic every day. There is so much legitimate to criticize after a 1-11 season I can't understand why so much effort is made trying to invent Fleck defects for innocuous things like bringing in a transfer.

Its not like he brought the guy in and he was a festering cancer in the locker room who ultimately got in a fight with a teammate on the field or anything.

Did you never watch his artistry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7geXuKF7JQM And maybe it should or shouldn't be, but isn't pot still illegal in most states? But actually it's the "lyrics" that are the most vile thing about that video. Repulsive in fact. Dantonio had a look and said "No Thanks!" It has 'Future Team Cancer' written all over it.

If you don't think that there are guys on the team listening to worse lyrics than that then you are naive. It doesn't make them team cancers. Its just what some are in to.

Dantonio had a group of athletes go into Rather Hall and attack a student and he also brought a rapper to the Rose Bowl and into the locker room post game who has some "repulsive" lyrics so please don't hold him up as your paradigm of virtue. The bottom line is if he can play and is committed to playing he's a commodity, rapping aside. If he isn't committed to football then he's no use to anyone. Bringing him in to see costs you nothing.

(08-05-2014 03:52 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:47 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Huh? It was a NO cost high reward proposition. He's not a criminal just a guy who likes something more than football and is really talented. He says the right things you bring him in and see if his commitment is really there. Its not, so you wish him well. How is that the wrong thing? I swear the criticism of Fleck gets more fantastic every day. There is so much legitimate to criticize after a 1-11 season I can't understand why so much effort is made trying to invent Fleck defects for innocuous things like bringing in a transfer.

Its not like he brought the guy in and he was a festering cancer in the locker room who ultimately got in a fight with a teammate on the field or anything.

Did you never watch his artistry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7geXuKF7JQM And maybe it should or shouldn't be, but isn't pot still illegal in most states? But actually it's the "lyrics" that are the most vile thing about that video. Repulsive in fact. Dantonio had a look and said "No Thanks!" It has 'Future Team Cancer' written all over it.

Haha. Dantonio didn't have a look and say no way. The kid chose a rap career, they were all set to accept him at MSU until that point. Dantonio is also the guy that recruited Jayru Campbell and still was despite him punching out a guy at the end of a game. It wasn't until the security guard incident MSU backed away.

As for the lyrics, they are just words. You think college kids don't say that stuff all the time? The kid isn't a criminal. Fleck has kicked every kid off the team that has had an issue. What is your deal?

If you don't like him, fine. But our program isn't dirty, and full of problem athletes.

(08-03-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Deserves its own thread

It looks like the roster has finally been updated...

- Finley is listed -- I think we know what happened here but haven't seen anything official

- Jay Harris is not listed on the roster. Did I miss something? Harris was here early with Lucas Bezerra and Asantay Brown. What happened?

- Delshawn Phillips is not listed on the roster... prep school maybe? Would sure like to know. Had no idea there was a potential issue with Phillips.

- We have a DB transfer from Indiana - Brian Williams? This is the first I've heard of him.

Anyone heard anything?

Interesting...Jordan Billingslea is an Evercise Science major.

And you guys give DD a hard time.

(08-05-2014 05:34 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  Haha. Dantonio didn't have a look and say no way. The kid chose a rap career, they were all set to accept him at MSU until that point.

The kid "chose a rap career" because Dantonio said No Thanks.

Quote:Dantonio is also the guy that recruited Jayru Campbell and still was despite him punching out a guy at the end of a game. It wasn't until the security guard incident MSU backed away.

Because the security guard incident was a lot clearer and more serious. Dantonio gave him the benefit of a doubt until that.

Quote:As for the lyrics, they are just words. You think college kids don't say that stuff all the time?

It's the whole package as presented. "Saying stuff" is different from putting out a raunchy product to reflect on yourself publicly and reflect on your college if you are going to be in the spotlight there (as on a football team). Producing such trash says a lot about who you are.

Quote:The kid isn't a criminal. Fleck has kicked every kid off the team that has had an issue. What is your deal?

As I said before, pot IS illegal in most states. It's still illegal in NY where Jay Harris is from (a well-to-do suburb by the way, not some slum).

Quote:If you don't like him, fine. But our program isn't dirty, and full of problem athletes.

Which is the whole point. P.J. preached repeatedly about how EVERYTHING at WMU was going to be FIRST RATE, HIGHEST INTEGRITY blah blah blah, and then he pulls in this pot-smoking hood rat wannabe who exhibited strong indications of being future trouble for the program.

Fortunately P.J. has now corrected course and done the right thing.

(08-05-2014 05:15 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:52 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:47 PM)Liam9903 Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are now saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

Huh? It was a NO cost high reward proposition. He's not a criminal just a guy who likes something more than football and is really talented. He says the right things you bring him in and see if his commitment is really there. Its not, so you wish him well. How is that the wrong thing? I swear the criticism of Fleck gets more fantastic every day. There is so much legitimate to criticize after a 1-11 season I can't understand why so much effort is made trying to invent Fleck defects for innocuous things like bringing in a transfer.

Its not like he brought the guy in and he was a festering cancer in the locker room who ultimately got in a fight with a teammate on the field or anything.

Did you never watch his artistry? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7geXuKF7JQM And maybe it should or shouldn't be, but isn't pot still illegal in most states? But actually it's the "lyrics" that are the most vile thing about that video. Repulsive in fact. Dantonio had a look and said "No Thanks!" It has 'Future Team Cancer' written all over it.

If you don't think that there are guys on the team listening to worse lyrics than that then you are naive. It doesn't make them team cancers. Its just what some are in to.

Listening to it and producing it yourself are two different things. He's into pot also, Big Time. Does "It's just what some are in to" apply to that too?

Quote:Dantonio had a group of athletes go into Rather Hall and attack a student

If any of them had a prior record of such things then yes that's on the coach who brought them in.

Quote:...and he also brought a rapper to the Rose Bowl and into the locker room post game who has some "repulsive" lyrics

Source?

Quote:The bottom line is if he can play and is committed to playing he's a commodity, rapping aside. If he isn't committed to football then he's no use to anyone. Bringing him in to see costs you nothing.

The cost was not high but only because P.J. got rid of him in time. Even so he lost some credibility over it because it exposed a lof of his words about only doing things here at the highest level of excellence, taking only kids of the highest character, etc. as hollow promises. There have been dozens of such lofty sermons. Taking on a slum rat wannabe after all the "Elite" idealistic preaching seemed more than a little hypocritical to some, including me. Now corrrected. Good.

(08-04-2014 08:13 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  A few interesting walk-on's/newbies that seem noteworthy:

Rodney Davis Jr. (Ottawa Hills H.S.)
Good athlete... played QB, punter, and DB. Could be a good special teams player.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2411690/high.../107429375

Brian Williams (DB transfer from Indiana)
Very intriguing that he started all 12 games as a junior for Indiana and led the team in PBU's.

Jeremiah Mullinax (DE from Southgate)
Huge frame at 6'5", 230 lbs. Curious to see how this one pans out.

Jake Achterberg (LB from Lakeshore)
Love his motor and his instincts. Reminds me of a Grant DePalma type. Awesome open field tackles at the 1:50 and 2:20 marks.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1490596/highlights/65665389

Ben Dreslinski (QB from Tecumseh)
Received a preferred walk-on offer at South Carolina, but later attended Northwood.
http://www.lenconnect.com/article/201207.../307099953
Impressive stats, but his film is nothing write home about.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1210220/highlights/24604373

Javon Cooney (WR from Lansing Sexton)
Broke single-season record at LS:
http://highschoolsports.mlive.com/news/a...en-bigger/
A lot of cherry-picking but still a burner and a pretty good route-runner. I like this kid. Pretty dynamic:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3346387/highlights/87208375

Carrington Thompson (WR from Northwood)
I like his tall frame. Had a good freshman season at NW (11 catches, 565 yards, 7 TD's), albeit in the GLIAC:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1806233/highlights/44414375

Thank you for theses updates.

(08-05-2014 03:40 PM)coax Wrote:  

(08-05-2014 03:33 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Nothing wrong with giving the kid a second chance.

That's what the slappies are saying about Jayru Campbell now that he might consider them as a last resort.

There's that Northern Lower whitey frighty mentality.

You equate a kid persueing a rap career with a kid who assualted a school security guard.

We talked about the "rapper recruit" here, you Fleckies jumped all over anyone who questioned the wisdom of that as "short sighted" and not "progressive" thinking

How'd all the vision and progressive thinking work out for you?

(08-05-2014 06:39 PM)coax Wrote:  

Quote:...and he also brought a rapper to the Rose Bowl and into the locker room post game who has some "repulsive" lyrics

Source?

Quote:The bottom line is if he can play and is committed to playing he's a commodity, rapping aside. If he isn't committed to football then he's no use to anyone. Bringing him in to see costs you nothing.

The cost was not high but only because P.J. got rid of him in time. Even so he lost some credibility over it because it exposed a lof of his words about only doing things here at the highest level of excellence, taking only kids of the highest character, etc. as hollow promises. There have been dozens of such lofty sermons. Taking on a slum rat wannabe after all the "Elite" idealistic preaching seemed more than a little hypocritical to some, including me. Now corrrected. Good.

I guess you feel qualified to make a character assessment based on musical taste and to extrapolate that to a coaching failure. If you are committed to dogging Fleck at every turn then this isn't that big of a reach...

As to wanting a source for the most virtuous college coach in the state i.e. the one winning the most right now:

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-...50218.html

So just know that when Mr. Integrity couldn't have that filthy rap music around his program he somehow still had Rich Homie Quan into the locker room to help the team sing this anthem:

http://rap.genius.com/Rich-homie-quan-ty...te-1858841

(08-05-2014 07:42 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  We talked about the "rapper recruit" here, you Fleckies jumped all over anyone who questioned the wisdom of that as "short sighted" and not "progressive" thinking

How'd all the vision and progressive thinking work out for you?

Taking a verbal from a 3 star WR who happens to be a rapper is "progressive" thinking? That's quite a reach.

Giving a former felon might be progressive thinking, but if we stopped recruiting kids because of their taste for rap we'd have turn away 90% of the kids who have played for us in the last decade.

I'm sorry Mr. Delmas, but we don't approve of that kind of music in our locker room

Why is it so hard to be objective and not actively root for the current coach to fail and by extension our program? Why are some people so committed to hating EVERYTHING PJ Fleck does? Are these people so isolated they don't understand how college football works? Kids transfer, kids don't qualify, underclassmen start over upperclassmen sometimes, coaches leave for more money, coaches get fired for underperforming, Power conference coordinators make more than MAC HCs. These things all existed before a coach you don't like was hired at WMU. Suck it up.