http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php

makes it easier...

You missed TXST beat UH 2012 (they were still in CUSA)

Only been FBS for 2 years. 2-3 isn't bad considering our FCS history.

These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Heh.

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Good thing SBC was rated higher last year then.

(07-31-2014 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Good thing SBC was rated higher last year then.

So if the SBC is ranked anywhere lower and CUSA is ranked higher.....


which one is projecting up and which one down?

(07-30-2014 09:28 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 09:02 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  I didn't think that was possible:

108. Florida Atlantic

The outlook: FAU ended last season on a four-game winning streak, but the last three wins were over teams that combined to win four games, so the .500 record was a bit misleading. Still, Conference USA is so weak that FAU has a legit shot at a bowl.


103. Southern Miss

The outlook: As bad as last season was for the Golden Eagles, at least they won once; they were winless in 2012. This season, Conference USA is so shallow that even a team coming off a one-won season has legit hopes for a bowl.


80. Western Kentucky

The outlook: The schedule eases considerably in the second half of the season, and while this team will have issues defensively, Conference USA is weak enough overall that WKU should be bowl-eligible.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...kings-4148

Will need to start a tally of threads and posts brought up with the words CUSA in them.....Here is 1, been about 15 others last month or two....

What did publication say about the Sun Belt with the 4 powerhouse teams they added?

Real shame you guys bailed prematurely. May live to regret it by the end of this season if not already. WKU more fitted for the Belt, IMO. A great program.

(07-31-2014 12:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Good thing SBC was rated higher last year then.

So if the SBC is ranked anywhere lower and CUSA is ranked higher.....


which one is projecting up and which one down?

Being an amateur statistician I figured you would understand that a trend is more than one pair of data points.

As I've said many times, it will be a few seasons before we can see the trends for the new configurations.

My specific response though wasn't about trends...it was in regard to someone saying they wouldn't post if their conference were rated lower...which presumably means the most recent data point.

It's kind of like 2 kids arguing over who gets to sit in the front passenger seat of the car.

(07-31-2014 12:29 PM)CatMom Wrote:  It's kind of like 2 kids arguing over who gets to sit in the front passenger seat of the car.

It's more like a bunch of neighbors in a trailer park arguing that they are higher class because their Ford Pinto burns less oil than the other guy's Chevy Vega or vice-versa.

The main difference being that one neighbor that keeps barging into the other's living room to do it. That guy has a problem.

(07-31-2014 12:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Good thing SBC was rated higher last year then.

So if the SBC is ranked anywhere lower and CUSA is ranked higher.....


which one is projecting up and which one down?

Being an amateur statistician I figured you would understand that a trend is more than one pair of data points.

As I've said many times, it will be a few seasons before we can see the trends for the new configurations.

My specific response though wasn't about trends...it was in regard to someone saying they wouldn't post if their conference were rated lower...which presumably means the most recent data point.

This whole thread is about projecting...

I can point you to a number of replies with the below

SBC is heading up
CUSA going down


As far as recent data...last year is history and with 36% of the SBC being teams that never played a down in the SBC last year means nothing.

(07-31-2014 12:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I can point you to a number of replies with the below

SBC is heading up
CUSA going down


As far as recent data...last year is history and with 36% of the SBC being teams that never played a down in the SBC last year means nothing.

You argue against the upward/downward trends, but would rather use data from 5 years ago than 3 years ago, got it.

(07-31-2014 12:43 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  I can point you to a number of replies with the below

SBC is heading up
CUSA going down


As far as recent data...last year is history and with 36% of the SBC being teams that never played a down in the SBC last year means nothing.

You argue against the upward/downward trends, but would rather use data from 5 years ago than 3 years ago, got it.

I'm good enough to argue both...

not only argue both but win both. About like the old coaching saying. He's good enough to beat you with his and beat you with yours.

But I will give everyone a break...

heading to the lake to get in a few afternoon hours of fishing.

(07-31-2014 11:54 AM)CatMom Wrote:  You missed TXST beat UH 2012 (they were still in CUSA)

Only been FBS for 2 years. 2-3 isn't bad considering our FCS history.

Why count a win over a departed program?

How does Houston losing reflect on CUSA today? Should the WAC get to count that win too since you were in the WAC at the time? Should the Sun Belt count MT's wins over Memphis even though MT is now in CUSA and Memphis in the AAC? Should we count FAU vs UAB games even though both are in CUSA now?

Look if people want to count MT vs stAte or WKU vs ULM or UNT vs Troy Belt conference games that's their prerogative, I still contend that teams play differently in conference than OOC so I don't consider those former conference games a great barometer either, but we can agree to disagree on that point, but it's silly to count wins or losses of departed teams for either conference. What does MT's Sun Belt wins over Memphis as a CUSA member say about either conference today or moving forward?

#winning

only in your mind.

Enjoy the lake.

(07-31-2014 12:47 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:54 AM)CatMom Wrote:  You missed TXST beat UH 2012 (they were still in CUSA)

Only been FBS for 2 years. 2-3 isn't bad considering our FCS history.

Why count a win over a departed program?

How does Houston losing reflect on CUSA today? Should the WAC get to count that win too since you were in the WAC at the time? Should the Sun Belt count MT's wins over Memphis even though MT is now in CUSA and Memphis in the AAC? Should we count FAU vs UAB games even though both are in CUSA now?

Look if people want to count MT vs stAte or WKU vs ULM or UNT vs Troy Belt conference games that's their prerogative, I still contend that teams play differently in conference than OOC so I don't consider those former conference games a great barometer either, but we can agree to disagree on that point, but it's silly to count wins or losses of departed teams for either conference. What does MT's Sun Belt wins over Memphis as a CUSA member say about either conference today or moving forward?

Then don't count UTSA either because they were in the WAC at the time we lost. So it is not today.
Can't have it both ways.

We also have lost to UNT and some SBC teams in the past. Want to add those?

(07-31-2014 12:28 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:59 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:56 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  These threads are just starting to get sad. It's like the smallest man "look at me" syndrome. I wouldn't have even bothered starting this if my conference was still ranked behind the one I was trying to berate. *facepalm*

Good thing SBC was rated higher last year then.

So if the SBC is ranked anywhere lower and CUSA is ranked higher.....


which one is projecting up and which one down?

Being an amateur statistician I figured you would understand that a trend is more than one pair of data points.

As I've said many times, it will be a few seasons before we can see the trends for the new configurations.

My specific response though wasn't about trends...it was in regard to someone saying they wouldn't post if their conference were rated lower...which presumably means the most recent data point.

We weren't talking about any ratings or rankings except for the ones linked by the OP in this thread.

It doesn't matter where sagarin or steele or anyone has the two conferences ranked, my whole point was that these specific rankings were linked to illustrate how little these specific writers think of CUSA, I was only pointing out that these specific ratings had the Sun Belt rated lower than CUSA, so it seemed a counterintuitive point to me.

(07-31-2014 12:51 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:47 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 11:54 AM)CatMom Wrote:  You missed TXST beat UH 2012 (they were still in CUSA)

Only been FBS for 2 years. 2-3 isn't bad considering our FCS history.

Why count a win over a departed program?

How does Houston losing reflect on CUSA today? Should the WAC get to count that win too since you were in the WAC at the time? Should the Sun Belt count MT's wins over Memphis even though MT is now in CUSA and Memphis in the AAC? Should we count FAU vs UAB games even though both are in CUSA now?

Look if people want to count MT vs stAte or WKU vs ULM or UNT vs Troy Belt conference games that's their prerogative, I still contend that teams play differently in conference than OOC so I don't consider those former conference games a great barometer either, but we can agree to disagree on that point, but it's silly to count wins or losses of departed teams for either conference. What does MT's Sun Belt wins over Memphis as a CUSA member say about either conference today or moving forward?

Then don't count UTSA either because they were in the WAC at the time we lost. So it is not today.
Can't have it both ways.

We also have lost to UNT and some SBC teams in the past. Want to add those?

How am I trying to have it both ways? I'm not the one that submitted the huge list of games my friend. I said originally that I would only count games like UAB vs Troy that were SBC vs CUSA when they were played and would still be SBC vs CUSA today. Like I said, I feel as if there were a few others outside of that series, but I haven't been able to locate that old post where I made that list and I don't have the time to redo it at the moment.

(07-31-2014 12:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This whole thread is about projecting...

I can point you to a number of replies with the below

SBC is heading up
CUSA going down


As far as recent data...last year is history and with 36% of the SBC being teams that never played a down in the SBC last year means nothing.

Its pretty clear that you put CUSA/SBC from 2001 to 2013 on a chart CUSA has been heading down and SBC up. It's insane to think otherwise. Primarily because SBC started at zero and CUSA has lost the vast majority of schools that created its reputation.

But projecting that trend into the future is an unknown because there are too many variables in flux. It's almost like starting over. This start is far less of a mountain for the SBC than the last start.

The gap between SBC and CUSA is as narrow as it has ever been. Whether that gap narrows or widens depends on what both conferences do going forward.

(07-31-2014 01:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  This whole thread is about projecting...

I can point you to a number of replies with the below

SBC is heading up
CUSA going down


As far as recent data...last year is history and with 36% of the SBC being teams that never played a down in the SBC last year means nothing.

Its pretty clear that you put CUSA/SBC from 2001 to 2013 on a chart CUSA has been heading down and SBC up. It's insane to think otherwise. Primarily because SBC started at zero and CUSA has lost the vast majority of schools that created its reputation.

But projecting that trend into the future is an unknown because there are too many variables in flux. It's almost like starting over. This start is far less of a mountain for the SBC than the last start.

The gap between SBC and CUSA is as narrow as it has ever been. Whether that gap narrows or widens depends on what both conferences do going forward.

You and I are in near full agreement on that.

It is inarguable that CUSA has declined greatly since 2000, we've lost double the members that the Sun Belt has, two of our former members(TCU and Louisville) are now P5 members.

My whole point was that it's silly to suggest either conference is moving backwards from this point on. We both have strong members making big strides, we botg have membees that are full of potential,we both have members that are currently weighing us down, but I think borh conferences have upward trajectory starting this year.

I'd also agree the gaps between the SBC and CUSA and CUSA and the AAC are as narrow as they've ever been and how those gaps change over the next decade is tough to predict, all three conferences have reasons to feel good, though the AAC seems to be in the most peril regarding further expansion as the'd have a harder time replacing the likes of UCONN and Cincy then either of us would have replacing anyone in our respective conferences.