(07-29-2014 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:03 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 09:34 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 08:46 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  It's not a dang lollipop, or a piece of eye candy, it's another football game.
You cannot go wrong when you have more football. Especially in a conference
where no team plays the rest of their conference mates.
Glad we have bean counters, but I am after even more football.
If we make a million on the game or 45 cents, I do not care.
Until the other g5 conferences give up their championships we
need to compete with them, even when we have to compete with ourselves.

My kids want stuff too. Lollipops are good. They also do not care what it costs. Adults have to think about things like costs though.

That's why we are here; to take names and kick a$$.
As long as we can break even not concerned with how much money we make off the championship game.
Not interested in being in a conference so that your swim team can visit our swim team.
Hope you buy your kids some lollipops, but we are adults. Life is short and football is good.
Putting off a conference championship game is like putting off sex. You may be able to do it,
but prefer not to, by a mile.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Agree?

Putting off sex is also relative. Everyone loves sex as a concept. But when you get down to the practicalities of having sex with a homeless man in an Idaho jail....it sounds less appealing.

Great analogy. Lets keep in mind that we've probably talked to ESPN about what value a title game would bring. We didn't add to get to 12 when one was available, which makes me think the Presidents and AD's have determined that value is not worth adding just anyone.

(07-28-2014 04:44 PM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  That's what the Mountain Worst got in their first year.

That is the profit of the MW game. Total revenue with the TV and Games were pooled. After game expenses and paying for the vistor's travel expenses for a few days. The amount was divided up.
TV paid around 1.4 million.

So yes, it is worth it for the MW to have a CCG and get another win against a winning team.

(07-29-2014 10:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:03 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 09:34 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  My kids want stuff too. Lollipops are good. They also do not care what it costs. Adults have to think about things like costs though.

That's why we are here; to take names and kick a$$.
As long as we can break even not concerned with how much money we make off the championship game.
Not interested in being in a conference so that your swim team can visit our swim team.
Hope you buy your kids some lollipops, but we are adults. Life is short and football is good.
Putting off a conference championship game is like putting off sex. You may be able to do it,
but prefer not to, by a mile.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Agree?

Putting off sex is also relative. Everyone loves sex as a concept. But when you get down to the practicalities of having sex with a homeless man in an Idaho jail....it sounds less appealing.

Not even going to make a reply to your analogy.

lol..its not my analogy, it is yours. I just provided a less generalized version of it.

When I mention sex,
and you bring up what you did with a homeless man in an Idaho jail,
you own it.

Sounds like he same correlation between bean counting and football that you keep making. Just imagining your sitting in the stands at a football game counting the seats filled and projecting the amount of money paid instead of watching the game.

Football may make us money, but if the fans did the same justification as your need to make money in a championship game, then they would never attend a game. Why spend several hundred dollars on tickets, food, gas, lodging, time away from work maybe and everything else instead of just watching it on TV or their computers. Football is passion. Football is pure enjoyment, most of the time.
The Sun Belt needs to be as passionate for football as the average fan.

(07-29-2014 11:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:03 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  That's why we are here; to take names and kick a$$.
As long as we can break even not concerned with how much money we make off the championship game.
Not interested in being in a conference so that your swim team can visit our swim team.
Hope you buy your kids some lollipops, but we are adults. Life is short and football is good.
Putting off a conference championship game is like putting off sex. You may be able to do it,
but prefer not to, by a mile.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Agree?

Putting off sex is also relative. Everyone loves sex as a concept. But when you get down to the practicalities of having sex with a homeless man in an Idaho jail....it sounds less appealing.

Not even going to make a reply to your analogy.

lol..its not my analogy, it is yours. I just provided a less generalized version of it.

When I mention sex,
and you bring up what you did with a homeless man in an Idaho jail,
you own it.

Sounds like he same correlation between bean counting and football that you keep making. Just imagining your sitting in the stands at a football game counting the seats filled and projecting the amount of money paid instead of watching the game.

Football may make us money, but if the fans did the same justification as your need to make money in a championship game, then they would never attend a game. Why spend several hundred dollars on tickets, food, gas, lodging, time away from work maybe and everything else instead of just watching it on TV or their computers. Football is passion. Football is pure enjoyment, most of the time.
The Sun Belt needs to be as passionate for football as the average fan.

You are trying to sell an abstraction and convince us that the concrete practicalities aren't worthy of consideration. I highlighted how abstract your analogy is...so I'll own that.

At A-State we've had no choice but to deal with practicalities. It hasn't harmed our passion.

(07-29-2014 11:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:03 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  That's why we are here; to take names and kick a$$.
As long as we can break even not concerned with how much money we make off the championship game.
Not interested in being in a conference so that your swim team can visit our swim team.
Hope you buy your kids some lollipops, but we are adults. Life is short and football is good.
Putting off a conference championship game is like putting off sex. You may be able to do it,
but prefer not to, by a mile.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject.
Agree?

Putting off sex is also relative. Everyone loves sex as a concept. But when you get down to the practicalities of having sex with a homeless man in an Idaho jail....it sounds less appealing.

Not even going to make a reply to your analogy.

lol..its not my analogy, it is yours. I just provided a less generalized version of it.

When I mention sex,
and you bring up what you did with a homeless man in an Idaho jail,
you own it.

Sounds like he same correlation between bean counting and football that you keep making. Just imagining your sitting in the stands at a football game counting the seats filled and projecting the amount of money paid instead of watching the game.

Football may make us money, but if the fans did the same justification as your need to make money in a championship game, then they would never attend a game. Why spend several hundred dollars on tickets, food, gas, lodging, time away from work maybe and everything else instead of just watching it on TV or their computers. Football is passion. Football is pure enjoyment, most of the time.
The Sun Belt needs to be as passionate for football as the average fan.

But that passion isn't played in a city park... that passion costs money. I work with a lot of entrepreneurs. They all have passion, but if they want to own a successful coffee shop, they'd go broke copying Starbucks. Let's face it, conferences fold. This isn't a plug and play situation, insert your conference here, and it works. Doing something for the sake of doing something or keeping up with the Joneses typically ends badly.

Don't get any of us wrong. I think everyone on here would be excited for a Conference Championship Game. Over half of the teams playing in this conference were not playing in it 5 years ago. Read that again, and wrap your head around that. I think right now the right thing to do is settle down. See how things play out. You got to let that concrete foundation dry before you can start walking on it.

(07-29-2014 11:28 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 11:07 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:32 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:29 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Putting off sex is also relative. Everyone loves sex as a concept. But when you get down to the practicalities of having sex with a homeless man in an Idaho jail....it sounds less appealing.

Not even going to make a reply to your analogy.

lol..its not my analogy, it is yours. I just provided a less generalized version of it.

When I mention sex,
and you bring up what you did with a homeless man in an Idaho jail,
you own it.

Sounds like he same correlation between bean counting and football that you keep making. Just imagining your sitting in the stands at a football game counting the seats filled and projecting the amount of money paid instead of watching the game.

Football may make us money, but if the fans did the same justification as your need to make money in a championship game, then they would never attend a game. Why spend several hundred dollars on tickets, food, gas, lodging, time away from work maybe and everything else instead of just watching it on TV or their computers. Football is passion. Football is pure enjoyment, most of the time.
The Sun Belt needs to be as passionate for football as the average fan.

But that passion isn't played in a city park... that passion costs money. I work with a lot of entrepreneurs. They all have passion, but if they want to own a successful coffee shop, they'd go broke copying Starbucks. Let's face it, conferences fold. This isn't a plug and play situation, insert your conference here, and it works. Doing something for the sake of doing something or keeping up with the Joneses typically ends badly.

Don't get any of us wrong. I think everyone on here would be excited for a Conference Championship Game. Over half of the teams playing in this conference were not playing in it 5 years ago. Read that again, and wrap your head around that. I think right now the right thing to do is settle down. See how things play out. You got to let that concrete foundation dry before you can start walking on it.

I think the two teams involved and their fans would be excited..to the rest of the world it would just be two teams from the sun belt playing each other one more time not a team from the sun belt playing a "name" team..the trick would to generate enough hype and excitement for people to tune in..and then a problem would be if it is held at a neutral site trying to get a good crowd to show up so it wouldnt look small time on the tv.

I am not trying to sell you anything.
Only expressing my views.
Consider all you wish.

Peace out.

Let's assume we got $1mil for the championship game. Do we reasonably expect to make the $6mil Access Bowl more than once every 6 years? The SBC was the top rated P5 this year, but it was really the top rated P4 since the AAC wasn't included. That's the same AAC that sent UCF to the Fiesta Bowl.

So, knowing that we're probably going to be behind the AAC for the foreseeable future, I'd take the guaranteed title game payout. Besides, if we're making the Access Bowl more than once every 6 years, then we've probably gotten to the point that we're not scared of our top team losing that extra game.

(07-29-2014 12:07 PM)Klak Wrote:  Let's assume we got $1mil for the championship game. Do we reasonably expect to make the $6mil Access Bowl more than once every 6 years? The SBC was the top rated P5 this year, but it was really the top rated P4 since the AAC wasn't included. That's the same AAC that sent UCF to the Fiesta Bowl.

So, knowing that we're probably going to be behind the AAC for the foreseeable future, I'd take the guaranteed title game payout. Besides, if we're making the Access Bowl more than once every 6 years, then we've probably gotten to the point that we're not scared of our top team losing that extra game.

I still haven't seen where there is a guaranteed title game payout or how much that guarantee is.

Until stated otherwise the intention of a SBC CG is to be at the home of the school with the best record between the 2 divisions. This neutral site thing is no more likely than GS getting an invite to a P5 next year. So please stop fixating on a possible neutral site. They (SBC) know it won't make any money and likely lose a ton. Also, not having one because there might be an upset is a cop out. It is just as valid (even more so) to have one to increase the odds of being granted the contract bowl game. Lets say you have a SBC, MWC and MAC team all about the same rank. The SBC doesn't have a CG game, the MWC and MAC each have one and they will finish higher than the SBC team who sat at home and hoped the 2 other teams lost.

Also, does ESPN have to air the game? Couldn't it just be regional TV for the schools area and then ESPN3. That was the worst contract ever signed by the previous comish. No room to negotiate at all is sad and it last til how long? 2020?

(07-29-2014 12:07 PM)Klak Wrote:  Let's assume we got $1mil for the championship game. Do we reasonably expect to make the $6mil Access Bowl more than once every 6 years? The SBC was the top rated P5 this year, but it was really the top rated P4 since the AAC wasn't included. That's the same AAC that sent UCF to the Fiesta Bowl.

So, knowing that we're probably going to be behind the AAC for the foreseeable future, I'd take the guaranteed title game payout. Besides, if we're making the Access Bowl more than once every 6 years, then we've probably gotten to the point that we're not scared of our top team losing that extra game.

Yes, but there is no chance in hades of getting a Million dollars for that game. And lets also remember that One Mission was the MWC's profit after they cashed their TV check and added ticket sales. We would certainly not make a million dollars

(07-29-2014 12:21 PM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Until stated otherwise the intention of a SBC CG is to be at the home of the school with the best record between the 2 divisions. This neutral site thing is no more likely than GS getting an invite to a P5 next year. So please stop fixating on a possible neutral site. They (SBC) know it won't make any money and likely lose a ton. Also, not having one because there might be an upset is a cop out. It is just as valid (even more so) to have one to increase the odds of being granted the contract bowl game. Lets say you have a SBC, MWC and MAC team all about the same rank. The SBC doesn't have a CG game, the MWC and MAC each have one and they will finish higher than the SBC team who sat at home and hoped the 2 other teams lost.

Also, does ESPN have to air the game? Couldn't it just be regional TV for the schools area and then ESPN3. That was the worst contract ever signed by the previous comish. No room to negotiate at all is sad and it last til how long? 2020?

Why is it impossible to have a neutral site? The MAC has played in Ford Field since 2004 and they aren't exactly flying high in regular season attendance compared to us. Shreveport, Little Rock, Montgomery, etc. are small enough to start with.

Not that I want a neutral site but I don't see how it is impossible. And it would certainly be better than having your CCG in the Kibbie Dome.

(07-29-2014 04:31 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  If a team is too afraid of playing a conference championship game because they
might lose, they do not need to be in the championship game. Doubt any SBC
team makes the Access Bowl game without a championship game. Too much competition.

This, without that extra win I doubt we get in. We need the exposure and extra game to make the case further for any team that might have a chance. Without a CCG all other G5's conferences with one will get the nod over us. Unless it is in a great travel destination place (unlikely) it needs to be held at the higher ranked teams stadium for attendance and money sake.