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RE: Phil Steele's new bowl projections
Yeah, not sure how anyone can say UNT is a program that reloads now. You have to do a lot more than have one winning season to be considered that. Recruits don't prove anything until they actually put it on the field--especially when those recruits weren't all that highly rated coming out of HS.
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(07-27-2014 11:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  
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(07-27-2014 10:16 AM)Ragu Wrote:  On that QB fumble, he dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. So that wasn't a forced error. That was just the FAU QB making a horrible play.

I don't remember the details, but in the play by play, it was listed as a 10 yard sack and 7 yard return. All I remember is the ball bouncing loose and me pointing at it like the players needed my directions to find it.

They have to credit somebody even if the QB drops the ball. It's the same as crediting a player in basketball for a basket if another guy tips the ball into his own team's basket...

I remember it clearly. The QB flat out dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. It was a very fortunate play for Rice.

Yep. It was a freshmen QB in the fourth quarter of his first career start. Nobody was five yards from him, and the ball slipped right out of his hands. For next offensive play, the Rice DB made a great play on the ball and earned the pick to seal the game.
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[quote='WKUYG' pid='10938622' dateline='1406479219']
Since it was luck involved in the outcome when FAU loss was there any luck when FAU won? Was it luck that gave FAU 14 points without the offense being on the field vs USF?

Was it luck that caused Tulane to throw ints on 4 straight drives? The first coming while driving to go up 17...was it luck that FAU only had to go 73 yards to get 3 scores?

Was it also lucky for FAU their last 3 games came against schools with a combine 2 wins for the season?

1. When you have a top 20 defense, including a future top two round pick of a DB that finished third in the nation in INTs, one can expect that very little luck was involved in those two moments that you mentioned.

2. Yes, obviously that was luck. What isn't luck is beating those teams by a combined score of 112-23. But are you really going to bring up FAU getting a stretch of easy games when FAU is known nationally for playing some of the most difficult money bag games? We finally had a stretch of easy games in the first time since being in the FBS.
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(07-27-2014 04:32 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  [quote='WKUYG' pid='10938622' dateline='1406479219']
Since it was luck involved in the outcome when FAU loss was there any luck when FAU won? Was it luck that gave FAU 14 points without the offense being on the field vs USF?

Was it luck that caused Tulane to throw ints on 4 straight drives? The first coming while driving to go up 17...was it luck that FAU only had to go 73 yards to get 3 scores?

Was it also lucky for FAU their last 3 games came against schools with a combine 2 wins for the season?

1. When you have a top 20 defense, including a future top two round pick of a DB that finished third in the nation in INTs, one can expect that very little luck was involved in those two moments that you mentioned.

2. Yes, obviously that was luck. What isn't luck is beating those teams by a combined score of 112-23. But are you really going to bring up FAU getting a stretch of easy games when FAU is known nationally for playing some of the most difficult money bag games? We finally had a stretch of easy games in the first time since being in the FBS.

So luck wasn't involved in 4 INTs on 4 drives or 3 ints by Smith in 3 drives? Well no matter how good this player was....

he failed to get another INT for the remaining 3 games and 7 out of the 12. So luck had no part in it?

As for FAU's schedule it is what it is and playing tough OOC schools had nothing to do with my question but a lot to do with my point..

FAU won because you were playing very weak teams...just like you loss when playing good teams and luck didn't play a huge part in either.
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(07-27-2014 04:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 04:32 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  [quote='WKUYG' pid='10938622' dateline='1406479219']
Since it was luck involved in the outcome when FAU loss was there any luck when FAU won? Was it luck that gave FAU 14 points without the offense being on the field vs USF?

Was it luck that caused Tulane to throw ints on 4 straight drives? The first coming while driving to go up 17...was it luck that FAU only had to go 73 yards to get 3 scores?

Was it also lucky for FAU their last 3 games came against schools with a combine 2 wins for the season?

1. When you have a top 20 defense, including a future top two round pick of a DB that finished third in the nation in INTs, one can expect that very little luck was involved in those two moments that you mentioned.

2. Yes, obviously that was luck. What isn't luck is beating those teams by a combined score of 112-23. But are you really going to bring up FAU getting a stretch of easy games when FAU is known nationally for playing some of the most difficult money bag games? We finally had a stretch of easy games in the first time since being in the FBS.

So luck wasn't involved in 4 INTs on 4 drives or 3 ints by Smith in 3 drives? Well no matter how good this player was....

he failed to get another INT for the remaining 3 games and 7 out of the 12. So luck had no part in it?

"One can expect that very little luck was involved in those two moments that you mentioned."
That means very little luck, but luck was still there, meaning that it technically is "lucky." Just like an away team getting outgained and still winning in OT. At least a little bit of luck, but still "lucky."

When did I ever say FAU wasn't ever lucky? Please, show me. Let me save you some time, I never have. So harping on this "oh well Smith was lucky this past season" isn't going to get you anywhere.

Seriously, I feel like I can get more accomplished talking to a toddler.
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(07-27-2014 04:23 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 11:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 10:16 AM)Ragu Wrote:  On that QB fumble, he dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. So that wasn't a forced error. That was just the FAU QB making a horrible play.

I don't remember the details, but in the play by play, it was listed as a 10 yard sack and 7 yard return. All I remember is the ball bouncing loose and me pointing at it like the players needed my directions to find it.

They have to credit somebody even if the QB drops the ball. It's the same as crediting a player in basketball for a basket if another guy tips the ball into his own team's basket...

I remember it clearly. The QB flat out dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. It was a very fortunate play for Rice.

Yep. It was a freshmen QB in the fourth quarter of his first career start. Nobody was five yards from him, and the ball slipped right out of his hands. For next offensive play, the Rice DB made a great play on the ball and earned the pick to seal the game.

I guess it is like the difference between an earned run and an unearned run. An unearned run is what you get when you are lucky enough that the defense throws the ball away with two outs and a man on third.

So call our first TD unearned and the latter earned. Still doesn't mean that luck played a part, just ability. Maybe your QB has learned to hold the ball correctly now. Since y'all remember it well, was he doing the "loaf of bread" carry? He was doing pretty good as a freshman QB in the first three quarters of his first start.

In high school, I had an unforced fumble on an interception return. I was so far in the clear I had time to go back 10 yards and fall on it. My coaches didn't pat me on the back and say "Tough luck". They told me that next time I'd better hang on to the @%^*&*# ball. I guess they just didn't understand that it was just bad luck.

Hey, maybe we were lucky to get those breaks, but y'all were not unlucky to give them to us. In any case, doing things right will make you luckier.
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(07-27-2014 05:03 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 04:23 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 11:00 AM)Ragu Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 10:16 AM)Ragu Wrote:  On that QB fumble, he dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. So that wasn't a forced error. That was just the FAU QB making a horrible play.

I don't remember the details, but in the play by play, it was listed as a 10 yard sack and 7 yard return. All I remember is the ball bouncing loose and me pointing at it like the players needed my directions to find it.

They have to credit somebody even if the QB drops the ball. It's the same as crediting a player in basketball for a basket if another guy tips the ball into his own team's basket...

I remember it clearly. The QB flat out dropped the ball without even being touched by a Rice defender. It was a very fortunate play for Rice.

Yep. It was a freshmen QB in the fourth quarter of his first career start. Nobody was five yards from him, and the ball slipped right out of his hands. For next offensive play, the Rice DB made a great play on the ball and earned the pick to seal the game.

I guess it is like the difference between an earned run and an unearned run. An unearned run is what you get when you are lucky enough that the defense throws the ball away with two outs and a man on third.

So call our first TD unearned and the latter earned. Still doesn't mean that luck played a part, just ability. Maybe your QB has learned to hold the ball correctly now. Since y'all remember it well, was he doing the "loaf of bread" carry? He was doing pretty good as a freshman QB in the first three quarters of his first start.

Close, he had the ball on the laces, because he was on a designed rollout looking to pass. He stepped forward, lost his footing, and then the ball just slipped right out. No doubt that his inexperience had to have a role, but the play was so bizarre, there had to be SOME misfortune involved. I've never seen anything like it in any level.

Either way, Rice played the most mistake free ball that day, so they deserved the victory. But how many times do we see teams that don't deserve to win, still pull it out? Nobody to blame but ourselves.
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(07-27-2014 01:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 10:59 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 10:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 03:37 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Middle, Marshall, and Rice were all lucky to get their W's from us last year, and every single one of their fans will back that up.

Oh really?

07-coffee3

Yeah, really. The stats of the game straight from ESPN.

MT FAU
1st Downs 21 28
Total Yards 446 503
Passing 150 321
Rushing 296 182
3rd Down Conversions 8-15 13-20
4th Down Conversions 1-1 2-3
Possession 27:49 32:11


But if you don't think a visiting team getting out-gained and still pulling out a win in OT after the home team was just 9 yards away from forcing a second overtime period is lucky, then I'd love to know what your definition of lucky is. Hell, any win in OT requires some bit of good luck, therefor making the winning team, even if it's just a little bit, lucky. That is, unless you're the great Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders. Then the only time luck is involved in football games is when bad luck wished upon by a Ghanian witchdoctor when the mighty Raiders lose. Those damn Ghanians...

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An "A" for your devils advocate effort though!

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Wow you took a sharp turn. Ghanaian witch doctor?

You guys scored a TD with just three seconds remaining to force OT in the first place and I'm sorry but a difference of 57 yards is not significant enough to say that simply because you were at home and outgained us that we were "lucky" to get out with a win.

Good teams win close games. Feel free to call us lucky if it helps you sleep at night, but obviously not "every one of their fans" backs up your claim as you suggested.

Did I say Middle wasn't a good team? I'm confused here.




NEWSFLASH: You can be a good team and still get just enough luck, no matter how large or how little, to earn a result. For example: 2007 New England Patriots, 1999 US Ryder Cup Team, 2012-2013 Miami Heat, Tiger Woods, 2013 Auburn Tigers.



But you're right, I guess not every single one of those fans agree with me. I rephrase it to the majority of those fans, will agree.
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(07-27-2014 03:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 02:45 PM)fussbudget Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 12:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 12:28 PM)fussbudget Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 12:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  So that happened in 1 year of recruiting? In one year UNT went from a poor defensive team to a team that now has the talent to reload all their starters on the defensive line and 2 of 3 linebackers? Along with their starting offensive backfield? Seeing that type of turn around in one year is very rare for the bigboys that are stock piling the best of the best. I guess we will see if UNT is a rare G5 school that can build depth like that in one year of recruiting.

1 year? Try 3. Recruiting is not a per-year basis but a long-game.

Correct but my point is this stock pile of talent UNT has didn't show up till their first year in CUSA and when most were Sr's. So if this talent was at UNT for 3 years.....

why did it take so long to show up?

It didn't just show up last year. There had been spurts of greatness in each of the two years previously.

I credit it to the complete synchronous mindset the coaches (some of them newer) had with the players, especially DC John Skladany. That took time to establish and last year was a perfect storm, firing on all cylinders in most of our games.

Now, last season is considered the case study for what UNT success can be. The coaching staff is largely the same and in other positions upgraded from departures of personnel who arguably got better positions at higher institutions based off their success. The factors of stability, like-minded game plans across all personnel, and a recruiting pattern that has been on an upswing would, in my mind, point to a continued streak of success. Reloaded, not rebuilt in any fashion.

The rest of the CUSA coaches seem to agree and probably count the same positives among UTSA and Rice.


I'm not saying you and the coaches aren't correct...

but after years of watching UNT being way down and then seeing a Sr dominated team becomes a good team I just think it might have more to do with the Sr's than the build.

I guess 90-120 days from now we will know the answer to that

I am totally there with you, but this is the one advantage I have in daily being able to see current football operations:

The way McCarney runs this program is literally denying the sort of complacency or other negative factors that allowed for the misery days of Todd Dodge.
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(07-27-2014 06:20 PM)fussbudget Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 03:25 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 02:45 PM)fussbudget Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 12:31 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 12:28 PM)fussbudget Wrote:  1 year? Try 3. Recruiting is not a per-year basis but a long-game.

Correct but my point is this stock pile of talent UNT has didn't show up till their first year in CUSA and when most were Sr's. So if this talent was at UNT for 3 years.....

why did it take so long to show up?

It didn't just show up last year. There had been spurts of greatness in each of the two years previously.

I credit it to the complete synchronous mindset the coaches (some of them newer) had with the players, especially DC John Skladany. That took time to establish and last year was a perfect storm, firing on all cylinders in most of our games.

Now, last season is considered the case study for what UNT success can be. The coaching staff is largely the same and in other positions upgraded from departures of personnel who arguably got better positions at higher institutions based off their success. The factors of stability, like-minded game plans across all personnel, and a recruiting pattern that has been on an upswing would, in my mind, point to a continued streak of success. Reloaded, not rebuilt in any fashion.

The rest of the CUSA coaches seem to agree and probably count the same positives among UTSA and Rice.


I'm not saying you and the coaches aren't correct...

but after years of watching UNT being way down and then seeing a Sr dominated team becomes a good team I just think it might have more to do with the Sr's than the build.

I guess 90-120 days from now we will know the answer to that

I am totally there with you, but this is the one advantage I have in daily being able to see current football operations:

The way McCarney runs this program is literally denying the sort of complacency or other negative factors that allowed for the misery days of Todd Dodge.

Yup. Not going to be much of a drop off this year. We will be better at RB than last year and we have one of the best O-Lines in FBS. Offense will be stronger, some drop off on D.

Coach Mac has built a sustainable winning program, just took a couple of years to get past the Todge fiasco.
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(07-27-2014 06:08 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-27-2014 01:01 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 10:59 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 10:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 03:37 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Middle, Marshall, and Rice were all lucky to get their W's from us last year, and every single one of their fans will back that up.

Oh really?

07-coffee3

Yeah, really. The stats of the game straight from ESPN.

MT FAU
1st Downs 21 28
Total Yards 446 503
Passing 150 321
Rushing 296 182
3rd Down Conversions 8-15 13-20
4th Down Conversions 1-1 2-3
Possession 27:49 32:11


But if you don't think a visiting team getting out-gained and still pulling out a win in OT after the home team was just 9 yards away from forcing a second overtime period is lucky, then I'd love to know what your definition of lucky is. Hell, any win in OT requires some bit of good luck, therefor making the winning team, even if it's just a little bit, lucky. That is, unless you're the great Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders. Then the only time luck is involved in football games is when bad luck wished upon by a Ghanian witchdoctor when the mighty Raiders lose. Those damn Ghanians...

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An "A" for your devils advocate effort though!

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Wow you took a sharp turn. Ghanaian witch doctor?

You guys scored a TD with just three seconds remaining to force OT in the first place and I'm sorry but a difference of 57 yards is not significant enough to say that simply because you were at home and outgained us that we were "lucky" to get out with a win.

Good teams win close games. Feel free to call us lucky if it helps you sleep at night, but obviously not "every one of their fans" backs up your claim as you suggested.

Did I say Middle wasn't a good team? I'm confused here.




NEWSFLASH: You can be a good team and still get just enough luck, no matter how large or how little, to earn a result. For example: 2007 New England Patriots, 1999 US Ryder Cup Team, 2012-2013 Miami Heat, Tiger Woods, 2013 Auburn Tigers.



But you're right, I guess not every single one of those fans agree with me. I rephrase it to the majority of those fans, will agree.

If luck is nearly always involved, why even mention the "luck" in the first place? The way you said it sounded as if you were saying you should have won those three games. Seems to me, following your own logic, had you guys won any or all of those three games you would have been lucky to do so, so again what relevance does our supposed luck have in the first place?
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In my opinion, the only things that are truly luck are:
1. The bounce of a ball on the ground
2. The flight of a tipped pass
3. weather, especially changeable weather like a head wind that suddenly dies down as a FG is attempted
4. Illnesses, injuries, suspensions, etc. that alter a team's line up and/or game plan on short notice or in midgame
5. coin flip
6. The luck of drawing a ref crew that either (a) makes bad calls that hurt your team, or (b) makes good calls that hurt your team


Everything else boils down to a lack of talent or a lack of execution.

Sure would like to see the play on the FAU QB fumble. anybody have film they can post?
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(07-26-2014 10:59 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 10:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 03:37 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  Middle, Marshall, and Rice were all lucky to get their W's from us last year, and every single one of their fans will back that up.

Oh really?

07-coffee3

Yeah, really. The stats of the game straight from ESPN.

MT FAU
1st Downs 21 28
Total Yards 446 503
Passing 150 321
Rushing 296 182
3rd Down Conversions 8-15 13-20
4th Down Conversions 1-1 2-3
Possession 27:49 32:11


But if you don't think a visiting team getting out-gained and still pulling out a win in OT after the home team was just 9 yards away from forcing a second overtime period is lucky, then I'd love to know what your definition of lucky is. Hell, any win in OT requires some bit of good luck, therefor making the winning team, even if it's just a little bit, lucky. That is, unless you're the great Middle Tennessee State University Blue Raiders. Then the only time luck is involved in football games is when bad luck wished upon by a Ghanian witchdoctor when the mighty Raiders lose. Those damn Ghanians...

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An "A" for your devils advocate effort though!

07-coffee3

I find it interesting that the MT fan says that their wins against FAU and MU was nothing but pure skill with no luck involved. Not sure the other 95% of football fans would agree. I'll take good luck any time I can get it. LOL!
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Beat FAU in overtime, scored as time expired to beat Marshall and kicked a FG with 3 seconds left to beat UAB, if that is not 'luck', I don't know what is.

I could also start a thread about how 'lucky', we were to beat each of the 3 schools in MBB last season, but it depends on what side of the equation your on to define whether or not luck was involved, but MT was more than fortunate to win these games.

It's a fine line between being lucky and being good, I will pick lucky, every time.

Ask Alabama football players and Wichita State BB players, they were good, but not very lucky.
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I am beginning to see a trend here.

If it happens in the first 55 minutes, it is talent, if it happens in the last 5 minutes it is luck.

Fun discussion.
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(07-28-2014 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am beginning to see a trend here.

If it happens in the first 55 minutes, it is talent, if it happens in the last 5 minutes it is luck.

Fun discussion.

Not with us. I brought up the fluke play with Rice. That was pure luck and wasn't forced... If you cant see the difference between a fluky luck play and just scoring at the end while earning it, I cant help you. Rice was VERY lucky to escape.
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I remember a Chad Pennington quote about this topic. It essentially was as follows...
~"In order to deserve the win, you have to put yourself into a position so that a unlucky bounce of the ball, an incorrect official's call, or a single possession at the end of the game won't put you in a position to lose the game."

For all the talk about "luck", in each of those situations the losing team hadn't separated enough over the course of the first 59 minutes to prevent a single play or event from significantly determining an outcome. When it comes to the end of the game, if the outcome rests on the final plays or in overtime (inherently designed to break a tie on the scoreboard as a result of single series of plays), then neither team did enough to ensure the game wouldn't be decided in such a fashion - then someone has to go and make a play to win the game.
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(07-28-2014 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am beginning to see a trend here.

If it happens in the first 55 minutes, it is talent, if it happens in the last 5 minutes it is luck.

Fun discussion.

That was my point with the other FAU fan...

it's luck if the other team does it but skill when you get the breaks.

MUTS and Marshall were lucky to get the win but it was all skill when Tulane threw 4 ints in 4 straight possessions.

Skill and luck were both involved in both....MUTS and Marshall were good enough to make the plays when they needed them and maybe had a few breaks go their way while doing it. On the INTs the FAU players had the skill to read the play (didn't watch this game) but were lucky the Tulane qb didn't check off and made the wrong read....

most ints are from making a forced throw or the wrong read..or a bad pass

As fans we really have a hard time admitting our teams are lucky at times...for some reason it takes away from being "good". But you also need the skill to turn a lucky break into a score.
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(07-26-2014 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  Indy Bowl: Miami vs. Rice

I'd make that trip.

As would I.
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(07-28-2014 11:23 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(07-28-2014 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am beginning to see a trend here.

If it happens in the first 55 minutes, it is talent, if it happens in the last 5 minutes it is luck.

Fun discussion.

That was my point with the other FAU fan...

it's luck if the other team does it but skill when you get the breaks.

MUTS and Marshall were lucky to get the win but it was all skill when Tulane threw 4 ints in 4 straight possessions.

Skill and luck were both involved in both....MUTS and Marshall were good enough to make the plays when they needed them and maybe had a few breaks go their way while doing it. On the INTs the FAU players had the skill to read the play (didn't watch this game) but were lucky the Tulane qb didn't check off and made the wrong read....

most ints are from making a forced throw or the wrong read..or a bad pass

As fans we really have a hard time admitting our teams are lucky at times...for some reason it takes away from being "good". But you also need the skill to turn a lucky break into a score.

I doubt you saw any of these FAU games to even comment with an intelligent viewpoint.

Marshall and MT I wouldnt say were completely lucky. FAU did compete though and they escaped.

With Rice though, that play was a complete fluke and pure luck...
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