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(07-27-2014 08:13 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  Oh, boy!

What offensive players do folks think will step up their game?

I'd have to believe one of the bigger RB's will have some success.

One of the slot receivers should do well.

A TE has a very good chance of seeing real PT and contributing.

A kick of punt returner such as Seabury.

A long snapper for sure.

At least one or two on the Oline as mentioned.

I expect the biggest influx of freshmen will be on the DL and at LBer.

Only brought in 3 D-lineman and one might not be eligible to play. The rest were on the roster last year. (besides Ash)

I'd love to see a defensive line with guys Nick Matich and Richard Ash in the middle, and Nathan Braster and Devante Lee on the edges. Could very well see Robert Spillane, Jason Sylva, and Jakevin Jackson at LB. That'd be a completely brand new front seven.

(07-27-2014 08:21 PM)jubbasubba Wrote:  Only brought in 3 D-lineman and one might not be eligible to play. The rest were on the roster last year. (besides Ash)

Matich, Ash (new, but not a freshmen), Lee, Braster and Finely if eligible. RS Andre Turner at DE should see real time as well.

I still think that is where you'll see the most new faces.

(07-27-2014 08:24 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I'd love to see a defensive line with guys Nick Matich and Richard Ash in the middle, and Nathan Braster and Devante Lee on the edges. Could very well see Robert Spillane, Jason Sylva, and Jakevin Jackson at LB. That'd be a completely brand new front seven.

I think Austin Lewis will be in that mix as well.

(07-27-2014 07:23 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:45 PM)Doo Wrote:  I'm sorry but this is a below avg OL still. And assume 2 guys are out of action by mid season, this is a really thin group. Returning starters don't mean much if several of those guys "shouldn t be playing D1 ball" according to their own coach.

If there is any position a redshirt is needed its the OL physical maturity is rare even if size is there. We are counting on up to 4 in our top 10....this looks more like BGs line from 3-4 years ago.

Doo, I have a hard time dealing with generalizations. Can you name the players who aren't up to D1 standards? As for assuming two of ours will go down, are you assuming the rest the league will stay completely healthy?

Oline is kind of like a choreographed dance line. It's as much about them moving in unison as it is about physical maturity. It takes time to get that kind of cohesiveness down, but if they have good footwork and size it can happen faster than if you have a few hogs with bad feet and a few ballerinas.

OLine coach should know soon enough who fits in the mix best. I could see last years starters starting the season, but a slightly different mix finishing the season, be it because of injuries or the progress of the young pups.

http://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/xs-os-pass-protection

This is a pretty good albeit very basic idea of just straight drop back coverage. It also explains why the qb will identify the mike before each snap. If memory serves we didn't call out the mike as much last year as we did during cubits tenure. Not even sure how we protected the qb at all last year unless everything was slide protection which is basic and flawed in the days of zone blitzing. Add in play action, boots , rolls, screens, etc.... Oline is a thinking man's game on way more than the average fan believes.

(07-27-2014 09:50 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 07:23 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 06:45 PM)Doo Wrote:  I'm sorry but this is a below avg OL still. And assume 2 guys are out of action by mid season, this is a really thin group. Returning starters don't mean much if several of those guys "shouldn t be playing D1 ball" according to their own coach.

If there is any position a redshirt is needed its the OL physical maturity is rare even if size is there. We are counting on up to 4 in our top 10....this looks more like BGs line from 3-4 years ago.

Doo, I have a hard time dealing with generalizations. Can you name the players who aren't up to D1 standards? As for assuming two of ours will go down, are you assuming the rest the league will stay completely healthy?

Oline is kind of like a choreographed dance line. It's as much about them moving in unison as it is about physical maturity. It takes time to get that kind of cohesiveness down, but if they have good footwork and size it can happen faster than if you have a few hogs with bad feet and a few ballerinas.

OLine coach should know soon enough who fits in the mix best. I could see last years starters starting the season, but a slightly different mix finishing the season, be it because of injuries or the progress of the young pups.

http://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/xs-os-pass-protection

This is a pretty good albeit very basic idea of just straight drop back coverage. It also explains why the qb will identify the mike before each snap. If memory serves we didn't call out the mike as much last year as we did during cubits tenure. Not even sure how we protected the qb at all last year unless everything was slide protection which is basic and flawed in the days of zone blitzing. Add in play action, boots , rolls, screens, etc.... Oline is a thinking man's game on way more than the average fan believes.

You can teach thinking, you can't teach quick feet and long arms. If physically all things are equal, do you go with youth and potential, or experience and continuity.

Going through these threads today, I can honestly say that now I appreciate guys like Kimbo and MajorHoople who have done this at the playing level, coaching level, and know what they're saying from experience. Makes this board legitimate in my opinion. Jubba and a couple of others as well, sorry if I missed anyone.

(07-27-2014 10:19 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  Going through these threads today, I can honestly say that now I appreciate guys like Kimbo and MajorHoople who have done this at the playing level, coaching level, and know what they're saying from experience. Makes this board legitimate in my opinion. Jubba and a couple of others as well, sorry if I missed anyone.

I'd agree BL, but I think it's important that you develop your own base of knowledge and not piggy back on what others know. I'm sure your depth of knowledge regarding Bronco sports is very impressive. Don't hold back on us.

(07-27-2014 04:50 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Last year's OL:
LT - Willie Beavers - 6'4", 309 lbs.
LG - Greg Peterson - 6'5", 282 lbs.
C- Jon Hoffing - 6'4", 285 lbs.
RG - Jimmy Kristof - 6'3", 296 lbs.
RT - Taylor Moton - 6'5", 291 lbs.

Here's what I think we could see this year:
LT - Willie Beavers - 6'4", 309 lbs.
LG - Jordan Van Dort - 6'5", 285 lbs.
C - Jimmy Kristof - 6'3", 296 lbs.
RG - Curtis Doyle - 6'6", 305 lbs.
RT - Chukes Okorafor - 6'6", 285 lbs.

With Elliot Jordan (6'7", 265 lbs.) and Zach Novoselsky (6'5", 285 lbs.) hanging in the wings, you've got to like our size up front once these guys put on a few more pounds, bulk up, and develop into D1 linemen.

Agree with this years prediction except for Van Dort who comes from Zeeland a Wing T Program. He was a TE there not an OL man and never ever pass blocked. Not sure he is ready yet to jump in as a starter because of those 2 factors. Novoselsky is coming off a major injury and not sure he is ready to play this year. Elliot Jordan didn't start until his senior year, and really has had minimal HS experience. He will be a great player someday with maturity and a better understanding of the game. IMO, think Jordan, Van Dort, and Novoselsky will be red shirted.

(07-27-2014 08:24 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  I'd love to see a defensive line with guys Nick Matich and Richard Ash in the middle, and Nathan Braster and Devante Lee on the edges. Could very well see Robert Spillane, Jason Sylva, and Jakevin Jackson at LB. That'd be a completely brand new front seven.

A guy that people are not talking about who will be a part of the DE rotation in my opinion is Keion Adams. He is up to 260 this season from what I hear, and was probably one of our better DE's at the end of the season last year. David Curle could very well be starting as well. With Matich coming in off the bench.

There is going to be some interesting battles on both lines starting next week.

Yep, I think our starting D-line will be Adams, Curle, Ash and Bailey/Lee.

Lots of guys will get reps though, probably including the freshmen Matich and Braster.

(07-27-2014 10:19 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  Going through these threads today, I can honestly say that now I appreciate guys like Kimbo and MajorHoople who have done this at the playing level, coaching level, and know what they're saying from experience. Makes this board legitimate in my opinion. Jubba and a couple of others as well, sorry if I missed anyone.

Ok, wait a minute... I've heard this phrase a few times before. I'm usually not one to accuse of multiple ID's but there's already been a few red flags here with this account, and this one has to be the biggest. Two days here and you've already arrived at this conclusion? Not saying I disagree with 2 out of 3 of these guys, but I want examples. Especially since Hoople has done nothing but namecall and bicker the last couple of days you've been present, and jubbas posted a few things yesterday, but nothing else besides that. This strikes me as odd.

(07-28-2014 06:07 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 10:19 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  Going through these threads today, I can honestly say that now I appreciate guys like Kimbo and MajorHoople who have done this at the playing level, coaching level, and know what they're saying from experience. Makes this board legitimate in my opinion. Jubba and a couple of others as well, sorry if I missed anyone.

Ok, wait a minute... I've heard this phrase a few times before. I'm usually not one to accuse of multiple ID's but there's already been a few red flags here with this account, and this one has to be the biggest. Two days here and you've already arrived at this conclusion? Not saying I disagree with 2 out of 3 of these guys, but I want examples. Especially since Hoople has done nothing but namecall and bicker the last couple of days you've been present, and jubbas posted a few things yesterday, but nothing else besides that. This strikes me as odd.

You don't have to have a bunch of posts to have been monitoring this board as a guest... I don't think that should be a red flag at all. Acer got locked out of his account and doesn't really want back in, but still peruses this board on occasion to take in whats been going on...

The constant accusatory tone of this board with regard to trolling and multiple ID's does nothing but detract from the occasional enlightening conversation about ACTUAL BRONCO FOOTBALL.

Lot of talk on here from those who don't know the history and background from the early days of the scout site, may have never even heard of the Dead Bronco Society, etc. they think this board is about Bronco Football? Yeah, but there is way more to it than that.

There is another site out there where the talk is basic sports talk, but it is not very popular. Think about it.

(07-28-2014 06:57 AM)bronco47 Wrote:  Lot of talk on here from those who don't know the history and background from the early days of the scout site, may have never even heard of the Dead Bronco Society, etc. they think this board is about Bronco Football? Yeah, but there is way more to it than that.

There is another site out there where the talk is basic sports talk, but it is not very popular. Think about it.

It's pretty sad that there aren't enough bronco fans to keep a site going without having to devolve into petty personal attacks and arguments. I think this might also be a function of our limited visibility through multiple insiders into our program. We have a couple... but god forbid they take a positive tack on the PJ sailboat...

It's really to bad that kind of post follows up a compliment to some posters who really do know their stuff. Not sure what that gets us here.

I've read their stuff over the years, they really add to the football IQ of the board. That was my point. When they are allowed to talk football, it's actually quite enlightening. I played for an excellent HS coach, his knowledge of the game was really something we were fortunate to have been exposed to at our level, colleges reached out to him quite often but he chose the stable life and we were fortunate he did so.

The guys mentioned and a couple of others really remind me of him. Saying I appreciate their posts isn't a reason to feel threatened in my mind, I was hoping others felt the same way. At any rate, it won't change my opinion one way or another.

(07-28-2014 07:02 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 06:57 AM)bronco47 Wrote:  Lot of talk on here from those who don't know the history and background from the early days of the scout site, may have never even heard of the Dead Bronco Society, etc. they think this board is about Bronco Football? Yeah, but there is way more to it than that.

There is another site out there where the talk is basic sports talk, but it is not very popular. Think about it.

It's pretty sad that there aren't enough bronco fans to keep a site going without having to devolve into petty personal attacks and arguments. I think this might also be a function of our limited visibility through multiple insiders into our program. We have a couple... but god forbid they take a positive tack on the PJ sailboat...

Take a deep breath and give it time. When the season starts there will be more relevant conversations. This transition in coaching staff has been very unusual, does not surprise me controversy swirls around it. If the situation settles into a more normal context we might get past all this. If it stays weird, the site will stay weird too.

I agree on Adams. I really would like to know about Turner, Bailey and Lee. Never heard anything on them last year.

(07-28-2014 07:21 AM)jubbasubba Wrote:  I agree on Adams. I really would like to know about Turner, Bailey and Lee. Never heard anything on them last year.

Turner I believe was their scout team defensive player of the year. Redshirted to get some size, and was considered a quality recruit the year before.

I'm a bit surprised Bailey red shirted, because he had a bit of size coming in. So we will see.

Devonte Lee was a guy WMU almost had initially, committed to MTSU and then transferred. Good size for a DE.