(07-25-2014 02:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:15 PM)btiger Wrote:  If he doesn't go bowling itll be hard for him to keep his job

I agree it's a close call and is being batted around, but if we win, say, 5 games, and are competitive in the others (minus perhaps UCLA), then I doubt they will pull the plug.

Three years would be the second quick hook in a row. Unless someone has ressurected Bear Bryant AND he's coming to Memphis, they need to just leave the man alone and let him work. He basically took over a bad FCS program.

(07-25-2014 10:25 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  The word I get is undefeated or adios.

Well, the word you got is really ish in your ear. Wipe it.

Look up 'sarcasm' and get back to me.......

(07-26-2014 07:09 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:34 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:15 PM)btiger Wrote:  If he doesn't go bowling itll be hard for him to keep his job

I agree it's a close call and is being batted around, but if we win, say, 5 games, and are competitive in the others (minus perhaps UCLA), then I doubt they will pull the plug.

Three years would be the second quick hook in a row. Unless someone has ressurected Bear Bryant AND he's coming to Memphis, they need to just leave the man alone and let him work. He basically took over a bad FCS program.

He's not going anywhere if he doesn't win 6. That's an exaggeration. There are some mutterings that he needs to win more, starting now, but that's not going to translate into him being gone if he doesn't win 6 this season.

It's really interesting. If he doesn't break through to a bowl by next year, then I do think he's in jeopardy. OTOH, if he makes a bowl game the next 2 seasons, then he's gone to another job.

So, we're likely losing Fuente within two years, one way or the other. That's what I meant by "close." It could go either way, but not after this season, unless, like I said before, we just fall completely apart for the whole season, like we did the last 2 games last season.

(07-26-2014 07:11 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:25 AM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 10:18 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  The word I get is undefeated or adios.

Well, the word you got is really ish in your ear. Wipe it.

Look up 'sarcasm' and get back to me.......

LOL. Sorry man. My meter was broken.

I don't think he is necessarily gone with two bowl games...

First, I don't think it is quite the accomplishment it used to be seeing that there are so many bowls now.
Second, I think he is honest when he says that he wants to build a program. I think the next few seasons will say more about his future, but only about half of it will be determined by what we accomplish on the field. Seeing which teams make the playoff picture will make a huge impact. If the Big12 sees itself left out by not having a championship game.... They WILL expand.
It is funny listening to all the coaches say that whoever wins our conference should automatically qualify for the playoff... and some of the talking heads still say that the $EC could get two teams in... there are only 4 spots, and with it supposedly being a P5, that leaves one team out for sure.

With that said, anything short of total meltdown by the team and total regression to a Porter-like season, he will be here next year!!!

Ok...I don't understand why there are these 'do or die' threads. Do we have to hang a scimitar over the heads of a coach for optimal performance?

It just seems uncivilized for us to to threaten people because we're disappointed in how things turned out. :)

7 pages.

B hasn't lost his touch I see...

(07-26-2014 11:34 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I don't think he is necessarily gone with two bowl games...

First, I don't think it is quite the accomplishment it used to be seeing that there are so many bowls now.
Second, I think he is honest when he says that he wants to build a program. I think the next few seasons will say more about his future, but only about half of it will be determined by what we accomplish on the field. Seeing which teams make the playoff picture will make a huge impact. If the Big12 sees itself left out by not having a championship game.... They WILL expand.
It is funny listening to all the coaches say that whoever wins our conference should automatically qualify for the playoff... and some of the talking heads still say that the $EC could get two teams in... there are only 4 spots, and with it supposedly being a P5, that leaves one team out for sure.

With that said, anything short of total meltdown by the team and total regression to a Porter-like season, he will be here next year!!!

Well, I was responding to someone who said he would go after one season of a bowl. I think it's two, b/c I agree it's not what it used to be, but we are coming out of such a deep hole, that he will get attention if we go to back-to-back bowls.

As for the B12 expanding for a CCG, they won't have to. The NCAA is going to change the rule to allow the B12 to play a CCG with just 10 teams. That new rule is going to cost us a spot in the B12, more than likely.

(07-26-2014 12:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Ok...I don't understand why there are these 'do or die' threads. Do we have to hang a scimitar over the heads of a coach for optimal performance?

It just seems uncivilized for us to to threaten people because we're disappointed in how things turned out. :)

You must have missed the threads here on Tommy West and Larry Porter, back in the day.

Not to mention the endless threads on Pastner.

(07-26-2014 12:48 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  7 pages.

B hasn't lost his touch I see...

I don't see many people taking the bait on Fuente getting fired if he doesn't win 6 this year. It simply turned into an interesting discussion of what we'll do this year, when he might finally get on the hot seat, and when he might do well enough to leave.

(07-25-2014 10:37 AM)Easterwood Wrote:  HMFIC

Yo eastergood...what da skinny mane?

Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

(07-26-2014 05:05 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

I don't think just one will get him a promotion, either, but back to back bowls might, considering the program was arguably the worst in FBS when he got here.

(07-26-2014 12:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Ok...I don't understand why there are these 'do or die' threads. Do we have to hang a scimitar over the heads of a coach for optimal performance?

It just seems uncivilized for us to to threaten people because we're disappointed in how things turned out. :)

It's a joke. BTiger is bored this summer.

(07-26-2014 05:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:05 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

I don't think just one will get him a promotion, either, but back to back bowls might, considering the program was arguably the worst in FBS when he got here.

look at the coaches that get the next step jobs.. they win 10 games or more before they get the big-time offers... the coach at UL-Layfayette has gone to 3 straight bowls, won them all... he has not moved on...

BFS is very strong....

(07-27-2014 04:49 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:05 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

I don't think just one will get him a promotion, either, but back to back bowls might, considering the program was arguably the worst in FBS when he got here.

look at the coaches that get the next step jobs.. they win 10 games or more before they get the big-time offers... the coach at UL-Layfayette has gone to 3 straight bowls, won them all... he has not moved on...

BFS is very strong....

But I think the circumstances are different. When Fuente got here, we were arguably the worst team in FBS. So I don't think he has to do multiple 10-win seasons before he starts drawing interest from other schools.

But I return to my original premise, which is that two more years could possibly tell the tale for Fuente at Memphis. If he doesn't make a bowl in the next two seasons, he could be in trouble. If he does, he could be looking at other job offers. And obviously, if he misses by a lot, he's gone, and if he turns it around big time, he's likely gone.

So the tipping point is somewhere in the middle. It could still go either way.

(07-27-2014 08:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 04:49 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:05 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

I don't think just one will get him a promotion, either, but back to back bowls might, considering the program was arguably the worst in FBS when he got here.

look at the coaches that get the next step jobs.. they win 10 games or more before they get the big-time offers... the coach at UL-Layfayette has gone to 3 straight bowls, won them all... he has not moved on...

BFS is very strong....

But I think the circumstances are different. When Fuente got here, we were arguably the worst team in FBS. So I don't think he has to do multiple 10-win seasons before he starts drawing interest from other schools.

But I return to my original premise, which is that two more years could possibly tell the tale for Fuente at Memphis. If he doesn't make a bowl in the next two seasons, he could be in trouble. If he does, he could be looking at other job offers. And obviously, if he misses by a lot, he's gone, and if he turns it around big time, he's likely gone.

So the tipping point is somewhere in the middle. It could still go either way.

I hope we keep him for 2-3yrs. If he gets lured away, the program will be in great shape both talent, facility, and fan support wise.

(07-27-2014 10:27 AM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 08:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 04:49 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-26-2014 05:05 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Going to a bowl game with 6 wins is not going to get anyone a big promotion unless your dad was a legendary coach and utk is hiring again ...


look at the records of coaches that are hired from 1,000,000 non-BCS jobs to BCS $2 - $3 million jobs, they are conference champs and 10 win coaches; not coaches going to 2 straight bowls with a 6 and 8 win seasons .. Tommy West thought he was going to parlay an 8 win season to a SEC job and he did not even come close to getting the bottom of the barrel job.

I don't think just one will get him a promotion, either, but back to back bowls might, considering the program was arguably the worst in FBS when he got here.

look at the coaches that get the next step jobs.. they win 10 games or more before they get the big-time offers... the coach at UL-Layfayette has gone to 3 straight bowls, won them all... he has not moved on...

BFS is very strong....

But I think the circumstances are different. When Fuente got here, we were arguably the worst team in FBS. So I don't think he has to do multiple 10-win seasons before he starts drawing interest from other schools.

But I return to my original premise, which is that two more years could possibly tell the tale for Fuente at Memphis. If he doesn't make a bowl in the next two seasons, he could be in trouble. If he does, he could be looking at other job offers. And obviously, if he misses by a lot, he's gone, and if he turns it around big time, he's likely gone.

So the tipping point is somewhere in the middle. It could still go either way.

I hope we keep him for 2-3yrs. If he gets lured away, the program will be in great shape both talent, facility, and fan support wise.

yes.

What helps Fuente is, he is highly respected among the coaching circles.

I think the only reason he would leave, if he is successful here, would be if he were to get interest from the P5. I think most of their coaches are pretty secure for now and why would he leave Memphis for a lateral move to another conference that seems to be less than the American? UCLA and Ole Miss are going to be tough since UCLA is picked to win the South Division of the Pac 12 and Ole Miss is expected to be fair in the West division of the SEC and we play both of them as away games. I am generous and predict an 8-4 season for us with a slow start of 4 losses in our first six games and then a run of six wins to finish the regular season. I always believe that Tigers can fly.