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(07-31-2014 11:02 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I liked the coverage, why are you so bitter? It was the best out there.

Yeah, road games covered by watching the streaming video. That's quality journalism. 03-drunk
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(07-31-2014 11:08 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:02 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I liked the coverage, why are you so bitter? It was the best out there.

Yeah, road games covered by watching the streaming video. That's quality journalism. 03-drunk

In MAC hoops when we won the championship? I think not.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
(07-31-2014 11:09 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:08 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:02 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I liked the coverage, why are you so bitter? It was the best out there.

Yeah, road games covered by watching the streaming video. That's quality journalism. 03-drunk

In MAC hoops when we won the championship? I think not.

Listen I don't fault DD for this, although I suspect if he REALLY pushed it they would have expensed him to go. But it happened regularly. He didn't make a secret of it and fully disclosed it in many of his road game recaps.

Regardless of the reason, it's garbage journalism and makes for a poor newspaper.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
I think you need to recalibrate your target for you mlive ire, it's not DD's fault what his higher ups decide for him.

I like the guys work that he does, especially what he does for WMU.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
(07-31-2014 11:29 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I think you need to recalibrate your target for you mlive ire, it's not DD's fault what his higher ups decide for him.

I like the guys work that he does, especially what he does for WMU.

If quoting Rivals, Scout, Lindys, Phil Steele, and other pre season publications is your idea of "in depth local coverage" then you probably are content. I read those write ups a month ago. I really don't need to hear the local sports reporter recycling them.

We have this device called a phone. He needs to use it a little bit more than he does.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
I'm sure he's awaiting your phone call for that great advice, wise old sage. I mean , all those years of journalism shouldn't go to waste, he would be a fool not to tap into that wealth of experience and wisdom.

Tomorrow I will tell Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane to get in touch with him.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
(07-31-2014 11:45 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I'm sure he's awaiting your phone call for that great advice, wise old sage. I mean , all those years of journalism shouldn't go to waste, he would be a fool not to tap into that wealth of experience and wisdom.

Tomorrow I will tell Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane to get in touch with him.

Wisdom, wealth of experience? This is high school journalism 101. If our HS news articles were a collection of quotes from other publications we'd have been flunked. Couch could call Cubit at home if he wanted to. We're not even seeing a call to the SID or the Director of Football Operations.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
(07-31-2014 11:53 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:45 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I'm sure he's awaiting your phone call for that great advice, wise old sage. I mean , all those years of journalism shouldn't go to waste, he would be a fool not to tap into that wealth of experience and wisdom.

Tomorrow I will tell Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane to get in touch with him.

Wisdom, wealth of experience? This is high school journalism 101. If our HS news articles were a collection of quotes from other publications we'd have been flunked. Couch could call Cubit at home if he wanted to. We're not even seeing a call to the SID or the Director of Football Operations.

Maybe he needs your expert guidance, I mean, you're an old guy, experienced in the intricate nuances of what is covering WMU athletics. I'm sure he would appreciate any insight you could provide there boss.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
(07-31-2014 11:55 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:53 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:45 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I'm sure he's awaiting your phone call for that great advice, wise old sage. I mean , all those years of journalism shouldn't go to waste, he would be a fool not to tap into that wealth of experience and wisdom.

Tomorrow I will tell Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane to get in touch with him.

Wisdom, wealth of experience? This is high school journalism 101. If our HS news articles were a collection of quotes from other publications we'd have been flunked. Couch could call Cubit at home if he wanted to. We're not even seeing a call to the SID or the Director of Football Operations.

Maybe he needs your expert guidance, I mean, you're an old guy, experienced in the intricate nuances of what is covering WMU athletics. I'm sure he would appreciate any insight you could provide there boss.

No, I doubt he'd appreciate even some rudimentary guidance in how to upgrade his reporting. It's not like I'm the only paying customer that thinks the reporting is lame. I see regular comments during his live chats and Mlive articles, where people point out the lack of coverage. He's always polite and says this or that will improve, or blames it on a lack of resources and time. But I think he likes things just the way they are.

It's clear there's not a lot of oversight at the Gazette. I'm no grammar wiz, but I see tons of misused words, and syntax errors in Mlive articles. As long as they churn out something, and as long as it gets "likes, tweets, and responses," everything is all good.

I know Drew is a nice guy, but this is a business, not a social club. The product is flawed and a lot of people see it. They're voting with their pocket books.

I'm not writing this stuff in the hope that he gets fired. I hope that maybe he sees that his readers want more and decides to pick up the coverage. In the end it might work out that it gets him a better gig somewhere.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
I have a minor in english, I rarely see those misused words, syntax errors that you speak of here, are you sure?
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(08-01-2014 12:20 AM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I have a minor in english, I rarely see those misused words, syntax errors that you speak of here, are you sure?

Yes, I've been a subscriber to the daily e-replica version of the Gazette since Mlive took it over. It's not just the sports section, it's the whole damn paper.

Even the guy at the local Citgo station started ordering Paydays when I complained. I see hundreds of complaints in the comment section of Mlive, and it just keeps getting worse. They don't seem to grasp the concept of responding to the customer. But like the DMV, they're the only game in town.........for now.
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(08-01-2014 12:37 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 12:20 AM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I have a minor in english, I rarely see those misused words, syntax errors that you speak of here, are you sure?

Yes, I've been a subscriber to the daily e-replica version of the Gazette since Mlive took it over. It's not just the sports section, it's the whole damn paper.

Even the guy at the local Citgo station started ordering Paydays when I complained. I see hundreds of complaints in the comment section of Mlive, and it just keeps getting worse. They don't seem to grasp the concept of responding to the customer. But like the DMV, they're the only game in town.........for now.

All heresay, all with no examples. I don't see the issue other than you're not happy, which I'm sure in your mind is warranted and valid, so I won't diminish it and leave you to your own devices

Enjoy.
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(08-01-2014 12:40 AM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 12:37 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 12:20 AM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  I have a minor in english, I rarely see those misused words, syntax errors that you speak of here, are you sure?

Yes, I've been a subscriber to the daily e-replica version of the Gazette since Mlive took it over. It's not just the sports section, it's the whole damn paper.

Even the guy at the local Citgo station started ordering Paydays when I complained. I see hundreds of complaints in the comment section of Mlive, and it just keeps getting worse. They don't seem to grasp the concept of responding to the customer. But like the DMV, they're the only game in town.........for now.

All heresay, all with no examples. I don't see the issue other than you're not happy, which I'm sure in your mind is warranted and valid, so I won't diminish it and leave you to your own devices

Enjoy.

My issue is that I paid for this paper. The coverage was weak, outdated, and seemed lazy. I, like many others finally stopped buying it.

You, for example seem to have issues with the current coach. I don't see a lot of detail when you point out his weaknesses, and you've yet to acknowledge anything he has done well. You simply don't seem to like his style. That's fine. You're welcome to your opinion. You have avenutes to show your displeasure. You can hit them in the wallet by withholding a donation. That's really all I'm doing. Expressing my dissatisfaction and voting with my wallet.

The big difference is a news organization is in a position to change things quickly. In college football the process can be a little more lengthy.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
So cancel it and STFU. Holy cow, I'm going to go down there to Schoolshaft and run on your lawn.

I'm really thinking the college fb coach thing can be sped up.
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(07-31-2014 11:00 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
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(07-31-2014 10:48 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 10:19 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Back in my playing days since I was from the area. Moss and the Hearld did atleast 4-6 articles about me and I was not much of a player. One article they followed us to that restaurant in Marshall Schulers? and did a nice piece on our travel meals. In another the hearld went to Iowa st. and wrote about me going from a walk on to a scholy player and starter. Couch did a nice job with these kind of stories.

I had a student newspaper at St. Monica's that was more informative than this rag. I regret ever saying bad stuff about Jack Moss. He actually had influence in the community. Everyone knew him. The sports writers at the Western Herald had higher profiles than the gang at the Gazette today.

A 1-11 program should be thankful for any coverage it gets. Beggars can't be choosers.

Again, thanks David.


We won the MAC Championship in hoops and the coverage was equally bad.

But is this ALL Davids fault?
Sorry, I think we just have a little different perspective on the WHY he might not be giving us the same coverage.

I don't believe its for lack of effort. I believe its for lack of support from his employer and a different amount of access provided by the new football staff, and the fact that it takes time to cultivate relationships with coaches and administrators.

Moss obviously had those relationships. Paul Bowker did a good job creating them as well. Couch had incredible relationships with Cubit and Hawkins. And I hope that eventually David will be able to do the same.

Ultimately, I think that there are many factors that go into your perceived lack of coverage CD. And I don't agree that this can ALL be placed on one person.
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I didn't see anywhere where Dip placed all of the blame on Drew.
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(08-01-2014 08:04 AM)WheresWaldo42 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 11:00 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 10:52 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 10:48 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(07-31-2014 10:19 PM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  Back in my playing days since I was from the area. Moss and the Hearld did atleast 4-6 articles about me and I was not much of a player. One article they followed us to that restaurant in Marshall Schulers? and did a nice piece on our travel meals. In another the hearld went to Iowa st. and wrote about me going from a walk on to a scholy player and starter. Couch did a nice job with these kind of stories.

I had a student newspaper at St. Monica's that was more informative than this rag. I regret ever saying bad stuff about Jack Moss. He actually had influence in the community. Everyone knew him. The sports writers at the Western Herald had higher profiles than the gang at the Gazette today.

A 1-11 program should be thankful for any coverage it gets. Beggars can't be choosers.

Again, thanks David.


We won the MAC Championship in hoops and the coverage was equally bad.

But is this ALL Davids fault?
Sorry, I think we just have a little different perspective on the WHY he might not be giving us the same coverage.

I don't believe its for lack of effort. I believe its for lack of support from his employer and a different amount of access provided by the new football staff, and the fact that it takes time to cultivate relationships with coaches and administrators.

Moss obviously had those relationships. Paul Bowker did a good job creating them as well. Couch had incredible relationships with Cubit and Hawkins. And I hope that eventually David will be able to do the same.

Ultimately, I think that there are many factors that go into your perceived lack of coverage CD. And I don't agree that this can ALL be placed on one person.

Waldo, it's understandable that DD does a poor job of covering away games. Mlive won't fund it.

I sort of understand his not going to MAC Media Day, as they probably didn't want to fund that either. Having been to a few of them, funded by ME, I can tell you that outside of a tank of gas you can travel there and be home by 6. Food is free, media guides were free, and there was a lot of time to do one on ones with any MAC coach or player you wanted to talk to. Heck, you could leave there with a dozen great stories if you really wanted to get it done, although I was never that ambitious, but then unlike DD, it was never my primary occupation.

I know for a fact GC did a lot of stuff on his own dime. When I first started the Rivals site, I dropped a couple hundred bucks on golf and lunch for the SID's and the DFO. After that I just made sure that what was said off the record stayed off the record. Bottom line, I had a working relationship with them that was beyond anything I could have imagined when I started the site. Got to know his wife and daughter, but I always tried to keep the conversation to family stuff and away from sports. At Christmas I always sent certain members of the staff a card with a gift certificate to a local restaurant and thanked them for all of their help. In the world I worked in (sales and marketing) this stuff was standard operating procedure in order to build relationships and trust.

I'm not sure the current Gazette staff gets it. But I am sure that the coverage could be much much better, and yes EFFORT does have something to do with it.
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Wow you WERE awesome.
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(08-01-2014 09:36 PM)BroncoLifer Wrote:  Wow you WERE awesome.

Here's a quote from DD's write up today.

Quote:While he might have a better idea of what to expect, Fleck said he isn't allowing himself to fee too comfortable.

Yeah, I know he knows how to spell and use the word "feel." But these kind of typos occur constantly in Gazette. It's obvious that nobody takes the time to proof anything. I've read numerous articles where the comments talk more about the syntax than the topic.

As for your smart azz awesome comment. There's nothing awesome about it at all, that's the point. This is normal stuff when building relationships and you, an independent contractor, have done it yourself.
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RE: Is MLive's Justin Dacey a "lapdog"?
Yeah you were much better back in the day. 07-coffee3
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