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C-USA will pay full cost of attendance
Article in the El Paso Times confirms that C-USA is on board to increase the value of scholarships.... for ALL athletes.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/sports/ci_262...ship-money
07-24-2014 06:45 AM
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Glad to see this, although I thought this would be the case. If you read some of the other boards, there was an expressed conviction by a small number of fans from our former conference mates, that C-USA would never follow that lead, leading to our demise. I've never believed that...for a second. Here's the reality, as I see it: The P5 is going to set the overall agenda on what it means to be a FBS level team and you either have to keep up, or at least try to, or drop down, and I doubt there is one G5 team out there that wants to do that.
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(07-24-2014 06:45 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Article in the El Paso Times confirms that C-USA is on board to increase the value of scholarships.... for ALL athletes.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/sports/ci_262...ship-money

Same article in the Houston Chronicle this morning with a strong front page preview of the Rice season. Chronicle says the funding gap is $1,500 to $5,000 per scholarship athlete per school, with the total gap $345,000 to $1,150,000, depending on the school. Rice has the lowest funding gap in C-USA.
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(07-24-2014 07:29 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 06:45 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Article in the El Paso Times confirms that C-USA is on board to increase the value of scholarships.... for ALL athletes.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/sports/ci_262...ship-money

Same article in the Houston Chronicle this morning with a strong front page preview of the Rice season. Chronicle says the funding gap is $1,500 to $5,000 per scholarship athlete per school, with the total gap $345,000 to $1,150,000, depending on the school. Rice has the lowest funding gap in C-USA.

I know CUSA and SBC supported this last year and I bet all of G5 does readily.
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Interesting commentary from AAC country:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/07/...day-72414/
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(07-24-2014 07:12 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Glad to see this, although I thought this would be the case. If you read some of the other boards, there was an expressed conviction by a small number of fans from our former conference mates, that C-USA would never follow that lead, leading to our demise. I've never believed that...for a second. Here's the reality, as I see it: The P5 is going to set the overall agenda on what it means to be a FBS level team and you either have to keep up, or at least try to, or drop down, and I doubt there is one G5 team out there that wants to do that.

Exactly. I think BB and company are saying exactly that. We are going to remain a relevant conference. That means if we have to have our schools spend a little more to do so, that's exactly what we're doing.

I do expect some schools to drop _some_ olympic sports. It's just a question of which sports at each of the universities.
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(07-24-2014 08:35 PM)blazerjay Wrote:  Interesting commentary from AAC country:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/07/...day-72414/

Wow, sounds like this conference is definitely committed to playing at the highest level possible. Whether or not we become part of the "P6" thid is a good sign.
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I guess there are people who actually still get the paper.
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This should come as a surprise to no one. $500k? That's ~2.5% of the lowest budgets in the conference. You don't fold over $500k when you've got $20M-$35M already in the pot.

And the AAC have higher budgets than we do, who thinks they won't follow suit?
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(07-25-2014 02:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  This should come as a surprise to no one. $500k? That's ~2.5% of the lowest budgets in the conference. You don't fold over $500k when you've got $20M-$35M already in the pot.

And the AAC have higher budgets than we do, who thinks they won't follow suit?

All the G5 conferences will follow suit but a couple of them will have to do it on a school by school basis. There are some schools in the MWC and the MAC they struggle quite a bit when it comes to finances. Not sure about ULM in the SBC but the rest of the SBC will be on board too.
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(07-25-2014 07:16 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 02:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  This should come as a surprise to no one. $500k? That's ~2.5% of the lowest budgets in the conference. You don't fold over $500k when you've got $20M-$35M already in the pot.

And the AAC have higher budgets than we do, who thinks they won't follow suit?

All the G5 conferences will follow suit but a couple of them will have to do it on a school by school basis. There are some schools in the MWC and the MAC they struggle quite a bit when it comes to finances. Not sure about ULM in the SBC but the rest of the SBC will be on board too.

You would've expected the SBC to make similar comments unless some schools there were getting cold feet.It will be interesting to see how high the initial stipend is gonna be ....$4,000/yr by the P5 would sting for sure.I'm thinking $2,500 tops to bay the lawyers
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(07-24-2014 09:08 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(07-24-2014 07:12 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Glad to see this, although I thought this would be the case. If you read some of the other boards, there was an expressed conviction by a small number of fans from our former conference mates, that C-USA would never follow that lead, leading to our demise. I've never believed that...for a second. Here's the reality, as I see it: The P5 is going to set the overall agenda on what it means to be a FBS level team and you either have to keep up, or at least try to, or drop down, and I doubt there is one G5 team out there that wants to do that.

Exactly. I think BB and company are saying exactly that. We are going to remain a relevant conference. That means if we have to have our schools spend a little more to do so, that's exactly what we're doing.

I do expect some schools to drop _some_ olympic sports. It's just a question of which sports at each of the universities.
Just wondering how dropping their sport will "help" student-athletes. Which is, I hear, what its all about.
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(07-25-2014 09:23 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Just wondering how dropping their sport will "help" student-athletes. Which is, I hear, what its all about.

You ask good questions, Ark. My answer: it wouldn't. I think we have an example in Temple, who dropped a couple of sports in the last few months to free up some dollars, as I understand it. It might have been a smart decision for them...I don't know enough to comment. But it certainly didn't do much for those scholar athletes whose sports were dropped.

But, this may be an avenue some schools have to take to keep up.
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I think all the G5 will take that position. Question is, can all the schools afford and maintain that position. If you have a budget below 25 to 30 mil it is going to be real tough. Probably really need to take in 40 mil plus.
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(07-29-2014 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I think all the G5 will take that position. Question is, can all the schools afford and maintain that position. If you have a budget below 25 to 30 mil it is going to be real tough. Probably really need to take in 40 mil plus.

I don't follow your logic, at all. Frankly, it just seems like positional AAC vs. CUSA drivel.

How big your budget is has nothing to do with your marginal cost, possible deficit, or possible surplus. What if you have a 40 million dollar budget because your scholarship cost per athlete is extremely high? What if you have a 40 million dollar budget because you sponsor 30 sports compared to a team that has a 28 million dollar budget that sponsors 15 sports?

The point is that it's extremely conceivable that a program with a 25 million dollar budget could more easily stomach the increase for all athletes compared to a team with a 45 million dollar budget.
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Sun-Sentinel article on FAU/FIU response to stipend

In the past, the NCAA dictated how often athletes could have food provided by the football program known as "training table" meals and how often they could eat meals at on-campus cafeterias. Those living off campus would receive checks comparable to the cost of eating at the on-campus cafeterias.

With no restrictions, football programs could be more aggressive providing exactly what they want their athletes to eat.

"I think its huge," Partridge said of the unlimited meal option. "If I learned anything from my first year at Wisconsin, it was that we were solid. We were OK. Next year we won 10 games and went on to beat a very athletic Miami team in a bowl game. The next three years, we went to the Rose Bowl and you can point to the increase and focus on nutrition."

Partridge said FAU is still waiting for the NCAA clarify what it can and cannot provide athletes.

FAU's administration along with Partridge has reviewed several plans, he said. They've been advised by the team's strength and conditioning coach and faculty from the food sciences department about the strongest nutrition choices.

All of this does come at a cost. Partridge said all the plans fit within FAU's budget.

"We've looked at what can we do and what can we supply," Partridge said. "But this rule, we will have an answer for it once we have an interpretation."
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(07-29-2014 08:42 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  
(07-29-2014 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I think all the G5 will take that position. Question is, can all the schools afford and maintain that position. If you have a budget below 25 to 30 mil it is going to be real tough. Probably really need to take in 40 mil plus.

I don't follow your logic, at all. Frankly, it just seems like positional AAC vs. CUSA drivel.

Agree with you. Most of the C-USA programs can increase student fees, just like UH. Our one private school, Rice, has the lowest shortfall and says we're in.

The AAC will just live on in their fantasy world that their heavyweights (UCF, Cincinnati and Houston) can somehow transform the entire conference and make Memphis, Tulsa, Tulane and Temple P5. It ain't happening. More likely some of these programs get picked off, and the AAC replaces them with another reach into C-USA for programs like Marshall, Southern Miss and Rice.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten about the playoff "agreement". Each G5 conference is to receive $12M from playoff monies to be distributed to their members. For teams with 12 members, each school would receive $1M in new money. In addition, as revenues increase, monies to G5 schools, while not even close to the P5 level, should increase, as well. This is all money the schools didn't have before...
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(07-25-2014 07:26 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 07:16 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-25-2014 02:34 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  This should come as a surprise to no one. $500k? That's ~2.5% of the lowest budgets in the conference. You don't fold over $500k when you've got $20M-$35M already in the pot.

And the AAC have higher budgets than we do, who thinks they won't follow suit?

All the G5 conferences will follow suit but a couple of them will have to do it on a school by school basis. There are some schools in the MWC and the MAC they struggle quite a bit when it comes to finances. Not sure about ULM in the SBC but the rest of the SBC will be on board too.

You would've expected the SBC to make similar comments unless some schools there were getting cold feet.It will be interesting to see how high the initial stipend is gonna be ....$4,000/yr by the P5 would sting for sure.I'm thinking $2,500 tops to bay the lawyers

You are confusing two mutually exclusive issues. Full cost of attendance and the stipend are not the same thing.

Full cost of attendance will be determined by a number of factors including the amount of the institutions tuition, other fees/expenses, and cost of living calculations in the city where the schools are located....to name the major factors. That can range signficantly across the nation.

The stipend is essentially pay-for-play. That issue has yet to be approved or even brought up for vote. I suspect that once the P5 passes the full cost of attendance measure that will calm some of the calls for the stipend for a while.
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(07-29-2014 09:41 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Everyone seems to have forgotten about the playoff "agreement". Each G5 conference is to receive $12M from playoff monies to be distributed to their members. For teams with 12 members, each school would receive $1M in new money. In addition, as revenues increase, monies to G5 schools, while not even close to the P5 level, should increase, as well. This is all money the schools didn't have before...

Plus an additional $20 million or so that will be distributed to the G5 conferences based on performance, access bowl selection and APR achievement.
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