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CWUR 2014 Top 1,000 Universities
Rice - World 108, US 58
UAB - World 164, US 72
UTSA - World 256, US 103
Louisiana Tech - World 639, US 185
FIU - World 642, US 186
ODU - World 675, US 194
Charlotte - World 727, US 205
North Texas - World 747, US 209
UTEP - World 844, US 220
FAU - World 882, US 226
USM - World 913, US 227
Marshall N/A
Middle Tennessee N/A
WKU N/A

http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html
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Really shocked to see UTSA that high (don't take it as an insult, I simply know nothing about your school).

UTSA, what is your school known for academically? Do you have some advanced math/science/tech programs that I'm not aware of?
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(07-21-2014 03:14 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Rice - World 108, US 58
UAB - World 164, US 72
UTSA - World 256, US 103
Louisiana Tech - World 639, US 185
FIU - World 642, US 186
ODU - World 675, US 194
Charlotte - World 727, US 205
North Texas - World 747, US 209
UTEP - World 844, US 220
FAU - World 882, US 226
USM - World 913, US 227
Marshall N/A
Middle Tennessee N/A
WKU N/A

http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html

Any ranking that has Rice behind Arizona State is not to be trusted
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I am skeptical of the "Alumni Employment" metric... Cal Tech ranked #303, UCSD not ranked, Carnegie Mellon #219, and Rice #313... Something doesn't smell right there. With that said, Rice's lack of a Medical School and Law School shows through in these rankings, and IMO those are definitely legitimate things to take into account, so no sour grapes on my end. I have heard lots of great things about UAB lately, and am glad to see them have a good showing in these rankings!
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(07-21-2014 03:32 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Really shocked to see UTSA that high (don't take it as an insult, I simply know nothing about your school).

UTSA, what is your school known for academically? Do you have some advanced math/science/tech programs that I'm not aware of?

We are the #1 university in the nation for cyber security. Cyber security is becoming a cornerstone of every business especially for those who operate internationally and has been the focal point for all most all of the Fortune 500 companies. Our other programs have made drastic strides in a short period of time (like our football program)
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(07-21-2014 03:32 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Really shocked to see UTSA that high (don't take it as an insult, I simply know nothing about your school).

UTSA, what is your school known for academically? Do you have some advanced math/science/tech programs that I'm not aware of?

None taken. Engineering and Business are strong, as is Education. Our College of Business is actually the largest in the University of Texas system and one of the 40 largest in the USA, and is nationally ranked by Princeton and Business Week. We're also second in the UT System for research funding in biology, social sciences, arts and humanities, microelectronics and computer technology.

Times Higher Education, the publication that does the yearly World University Rankings started doing a separate ranking for young schools like ours under 50 years old, and UTSA has been ranked in the top 100 of the world for each of the 3 years they've done that separate ranking, as well as within the top ten in the USA.

Our university has been making a strong push for Tier One status recently as well, and I see that being something we'll get within the next 10 years.
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LSU beat Tulane on this list. LA Tech beat both of them.

And you tell me: would you hire someone from the University of Hyderabad or someone from UC-Merced?
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(07-21-2014 03:37 PM)07owl Wrote:  
(07-21-2014 03:14 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Rice - World 108, US 58
UAB - World 164, US 72
UTSA - World 256, US 103
Louisiana Tech - World 639, US 185
FIU - World 642, US 186
ODU - World 675, US 194
Charlotte - World 727, US 205
North Texas - World 747, US 209
UTEP - World 844, US 220
FAU - World 882, US 226
USM - World 913, US 227
Marshall N/A
Middle Tennessee N/A
WKU N/A

http://cwur.org/2014/usa.html

Any ranking that has Rice behind Arizona State is not to be trusted

Isn't that the truth. Rice is a top notch University 04-cheers
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Waiting for a MTSU fan to come and derail this thread....07-coffee3
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Did a bit of research on Arizona State...

-U.S. News & World Report ranked ASU second on the list of schools that are making the most promising and innovative changes in the areas of academics, faculty and student life.

-The Princeton Review ranked ASU one of the country’s top universities for undergraduate education in its 2014 edition of “The Best 378 Colleges.” The ranking puts ASU in the top 15 percent of all four-year colleges in America. In its ranking as a top college, The Princeton Review praised ASU for its outstanding academics, quality of student life and its numerous internship opportunities. Additionally, students surveyed by The Princeton Review said ASU’s “greatest strength is the great depth of its faculty and wealth of opportunities offered to students” and that ASU “offers a huge range of classes and majors at a reasonable cost.”

-ASU ranks fifth on a list of the top universities favored by employers for producing the best-qualified graduates, according to a survey conducted by The Wall Street Journal.

-Arizona State University is among the top producers of U.S. Fulbright student scholarship winners who will teach and study abroad next year. ASU is tied at third place in the nation with Princeton University and Rutgers University. The Fulbright Program is the premier fellowship program of the U.S. State Department.

-Three recent ASU graduates were recognized on Forbes magazine’s “30 under 30” lists, which feature people in their 20s who are changing the world.

-ASU's graduate programs once again rank among the best schools in the nation, according to the U.S. News & World Report "2015 Best Graduate Schools" rankings. ASU is listed among the nation's best schools for law, education, business, public affairs, fine arts and more.

-ASU ranks 11th in the nation among all colleges and universities chosen by international students according to a report released from the Institute of International Education. ASU had a record 6,645 international students enrolled in fall 2013.

-U.S. News & World Report ranks the W. P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University second in the nation for its online MBA program. The school's undergraduate business, full-time MBA and evening MBA programs also rank among the top 30 in their respective categories.

-For the seventh year in a row, the W. P. Carey School of Business at ASU ranks top 30 among the "Best Graduate Schools" for business in the nation.

-Arizona State University was ranked 21st in the world as a top institution in mathematics according to the latest data analyzed by the Times Higher Education World University Rankings. The rankings put ASU above Columbia, Cornell, Oxford, MIT, Penn State, Cambridge, Texas A&M and Ohio State.

-The Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College at ASU has moved up six spots to No. 18 in the U.S. News & World Report 2015 rankings of graduate programs in education.

-For the past 13 years, students in the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication have placed in the top 10 nationally in the Hearst Journalism Awards, often referred to as the Pulitzers of college journalism.

-ASU students won more awards at the 2014 Broadcast Education Association's Festival of Media Arts competition than any other school in the country for the fifth consecutive year.

-ASU's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law is ranked 31st nationwide among public and private law schools, according to the 2015 "Best Law Schools" list released by U.S. News & World Report. In addition, the College of Law's legal writing program ranked No. 8.

-ASU is ranked 18th on the University Business Incubator Index of the top Global University Incubators, which reviewed 550 university incubators across the globe.

-ASU President Michael Crow has been named by Time magazine as one of the 10 best college presidents.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow is one of just four recipients of the Carnegie Corporation's 2013 Academic Leadership Award, which honors university presidents who are committed to excellence and access, curricular innovation, and the promotion of strong links between their institutions and their local communities.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow was lauded by Slate.com as one of the 25 “most innovative and practical thinkers of our time” for his efforts to reshape the American public university, combining inventiveness with practicality.

-Arizona State University is among the top 15 large U.S. universities contributing the greatest number of new graduates to Teach For America's 2013 teaching corps.

-Arizona State University makes the Peace Corps’ annual list of “Top Colleges and Universities.” ASU ranks 16th among all large universities with 45 alumni volunteering.

In short, before we thumb our noses at other institutions because they may not have quite the same "prestige" and "name recognition", let's do a bit of research first and see what they're really all about.
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I knew Arizona State had one of the top journalism programs in the country. ASU is a tremendous school.
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(07-21-2014 06:58 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Did a bit of research on Arizona State...

-U.S. News & World Report ranked ASU second on the list of schools that are making the most promising and innovative changes in the areas of academics, faculty and student life.

-The Princeton Review ranked ASU one of the country’s top universities for undergraduate education in its 2014 edition of “The Best 378 Colleges.” The ranking puts ASU in the top 15 percent of all four-year colleges in America. In its ranking as a top college, The Princeton Review praised ASU for its outstanding academics, quality of student life and its numerous internship opportunities. Additionally, students surveyed by The Princeton Review said ASU’s “greatest strength is the great depth of its faculty and wealth of opportunities offered to students” and that ASU “offers a huge range of classes and majors at a reasonable cost.”

-ASU ranks fifth on a list of the top universities favored by employers for producing the best-qualified graduates, according to a survey conducted by The Wall Street Journal.

-Arizona State University is among the top producers of U.S. Fulbright student scholarship winners who will teach and study abroad next year. ASU is tied at third place in the nation with Princeton University and Rutgers University. The Fulbright Program is the premier fellowship program of the U.S. State Department.

-Three recent ASU graduates were recognized on Forbes magazine’s “30 under 30” lists, which feature people in their 20s who are changing the world.

-ASU's graduate programs once again rank among the best schools in the nation, according to the U.S. News & World Report "2015 Best Graduate Schools" rankings. ASU is listed among the nation's best schools for law, education, business, public affairs, fine arts and more.

-ASU ranks 11th in the nation among all colleges and universities chosen by international students according to a report released from the Institute of International Education. ASU had a record 6,645 international students enrolled in fall 2013.

-U.S. News & World Report ranks the W. P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University second in the nation for its online MBA program. The school's undergraduate business, full-time MBA and evening MBA programs also rank among the top 30 in their respective categories.

-For the seventh year in a row, the W. P. Carey School of Business at ASU ranks top 30 among the "Best Graduate Schools" for business in the nation.

-Arizona State University was ranked 21st in the world as a top institution in mathematics according to the latest data analyzed by the Times Higher Education World University Rankings. The rankings put ASU above Columbia, Cornell, Oxford, MIT, Penn State, Cambridge, Texas A&M and Ohio State.

-The Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College at ASU has moved up six spots to No. 18 in the U.S. News & World Report 2015 rankings of graduate programs in education.

-For the past 13 years, students in the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication have placed in the top 10 nationally in the Hearst Journalism Awards, often referred to as the Pulitzers of college journalism.

-ASU students won more awards at the 2014 Broadcast Education Association's Festival of Media Arts competition than any other school in the country for the fifth consecutive year.

-ASU's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law is ranked 31st nationwide among public and private law schools, according to the 2015 "Best Law Schools" list released by U.S. News & World Report. In addition, the College of Law's legal writing program ranked No. 8.

-ASU is ranked 18th on the University Business Incubator Index of the top Global University Incubators, which reviewed 550 university incubators across the globe.

-ASU President Michael Crow has been named by Time magazine as one of the 10 best college presidents.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow is one of just four recipients of the Carnegie Corporation's 2013 Academic Leadership Award, which honors university presidents who are committed to excellence and access, curricular innovation, and the promotion of strong links between their institutions and their local communities.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow was lauded by Slate.com as one of the 25 “most innovative and practical thinkers of our time” for his efforts to reshape the American public university, combining inventiveness with practicality.

-Arizona State University is among the top 15 large U.S. universities contributing the greatest number of new graduates to Teach For America's 2013 teaching corps.

-Arizona State University makes the Peace Corps’ annual list of “Top Colleges and Universities.” ASU ranks 16th among all large universities with 45 alumni volunteering.

In short, before we thumb our noses at other institutions because they may not have quite the same "prestige" and "name recognition", let's do a bit of research first and see what they're really all about.

Wow, you really expended a lot of effort on trying to validate this patently ridiculous ranking. Now, if you can just explain why Tulane is the third-best college in Louisiana, and why anyone would rank Hunan Normal College higher than a campus of the University of California, I'll buy it.

Seriously, these rankings suck.
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Well, a ranking can be anything. Top at what? We need to know what metrics were used.

From the site, they are:

"CWUR uses eight objective and robust indicators to rank the world's top 1000 universities:

1) Quality of Education, measured by the number of a university's alumni who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals relative to the university's size [25%]
2) Alumni Employment, measured by the number of a university's alumni who currently hold CEO positions at the world's top companies relative to the university's size [25%]
3) Quality of Faculty, measured by the number of academics who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals [25%]
4) Publications, measured by the number of research papers appearing in reputable journals [5%]
5) Influence, measured by the number of research papers appearing in highly-influential journals [5%]
6) Citations, measured by the number of highly-cited research papers [5%]
7) Broad Impact, measured by the university's h-Index [5%]
8) Patents, measured by the number of international patent filings [5%]"

Every rating is inherently incomplete and you will have scenarios of School A over School B that seem wrong or unfair. But likewise we have our human biases.

I'm not saying this is a great rating, but it doesn't seem like Bleacher Report either.
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(07-21-2014 10:24 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  
(07-21-2014 06:58 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Did a bit of research on Arizona State...

-U.S. News & World Report ranked ASU second on the list of schools that are making the most promising and innovative changes in the areas of academics, faculty and student life.

-The Princeton Review ranked ASU one of the country’s top universities for undergraduate education in its 2014 edition of “The Best 378 Colleges.” The ranking puts ASU in the top 15 percent of all four-year colleges in America. In its ranking as a top college, The Princeton Review praised ASU for its outstanding academics, quality of student life and its numerous internship opportunities. Additionally, students surveyed by The Princeton Review said ASU’s “greatest strength is the great depth of its faculty and wealth of opportunities offered to students” and that ASU “offers a huge range of classes and majors at a reasonable cost.”

-ASU ranks fifth on a list of the top universities favored by employers for producing the best-qualified graduates, according to a survey conducted by The Wall Street Journal.

-Arizona State University is among the top producers of U.S. Fulbright student scholarship winners who will teach and study abroad next year. ASU is tied at third place in the nation with Princeton University and Rutgers University. The Fulbright Program is the premier fellowship program of the U.S. State Department.

-Three recent ASU graduates were recognized on Forbes magazine’s “30 under 30” lists, which feature people in their 20s who are changing the world.

-ASU's graduate programs once again rank among the best schools in the nation, according to the U.S. News & World Report "2015 Best Graduate Schools" rankings. ASU is listed among the nation's best schools for law, education, business, public affairs, fine arts and more.

-ASU ranks 11th in the nation among all colleges and universities chosen by international students according to a report released from the Institute of International Education. ASU had a record 6,645 international students enrolled in fall 2013.

-U.S. News & World Report ranks the W. P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University second in the nation for its online MBA program. The school's undergraduate business, full-time MBA and evening MBA programs also rank among the top 30 in their respective categories.

-For the seventh year in a row, the W. P. Carey School of Business at ASU ranks top 30 among the "Best Graduate Schools" for business in the nation.

-Arizona State University was ranked 21st in the world as a top institution in mathematics according to the latest data analyzed by the Times Higher Education World University Rankings. The rankings put ASU above Columbia, Cornell, Oxford, MIT, Penn State, Cambridge, Texas A&M and Ohio State.

-The Mary Lou Fulton Teachers College at ASU has moved up six spots to No. 18 in the U.S. News & World Report 2015 rankings of graduate programs in education.

-For the past 13 years, students in the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication have placed in the top 10 nationally in the Hearst Journalism Awards, often referred to as the Pulitzers of college journalism.

-ASU students won more awards at the 2014 Broadcast Education Association's Festival of Media Arts competition than any other school in the country for the fifth consecutive year.

-ASU's Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law is ranked 31st nationwide among public and private law schools, according to the 2015 "Best Law Schools" list released by U.S. News & World Report. In addition, the College of Law's legal writing program ranked No. 8.

-ASU is ranked 18th on the University Business Incubator Index of the top Global University Incubators, which reviewed 550 university incubators across the globe.

-ASU President Michael Crow has been named by Time magazine as one of the 10 best college presidents.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow is one of just four recipients of the Carnegie Corporation's 2013 Academic Leadership Award, which honors university presidents who are committed to excellence and access, curricular innovation, and the promotion of strong links between their institutions and their local communities.

-ASU President Michael M. Crow was lauded by Slate.com as one of the 25 “most innovative and practical thinkers of our time” for his efforts to reshape the American public university, combining inventiveness with practicality.

-Arizona State University is among the top 15 large U.S. universities contributing the greatest number of new graduates to Teach For America's 2013 teaching corps.

-Arizona State University makes the Peace Corps’ annual list of “Top Colleges and Universities.” ASU ranks 16th among all large universities with 45 alumni volunteering.

In short, before we thumb our noses at other institutions because they may not have quite the same "prestige" and "name recognition", let's do a bit of research first and see what they're really all about.

Wow, you really expended a lot of effort on trying to validate this patently ridiculous ranking. Now, if you can just explain why Tulane is the third-best college in Louisiana, and why anyone would rank Hunan Normal College higher than a campus of the University of California, I'll buy it.

Seriously, these rankings suck.

It actually wasn't much effort at all. I got all that info from one source. It was a simple cut & paste essentially. The reason I looked it up btw is basically because it struck a chord with me when a couple people (like you now) immediately dismissed the findings based on little more than your personal perception of a couple of universities, and where you think they should be.

"Seriously, these rankings suck" is about as useful an analysis as saying a book is red. If you have questions about why one university is ranked higher than another, do your own research and find the answers yourself. While you're at it, you can check the methodology used in the rankings to see if they meet your approval.

Below are a couple links to get you started. Those weren't hard to find either. And by all means, if you have problems with how they did it, and have a better way to rank schools than what is presented here, I'm all ears. Maybe we can put your proposal to the test.

http://cwur.org/
http://cwur.org/methodology/preprint.pdf
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I maintain that I don't have an issue with this rankings system besides the Alumni Employment metric.
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(07-21-2014 11:13 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I maintain that I don't have an issue with this rankings system besides the Alumni Employment metric.

I have several issues with it, including the bias in favor of tech schools, the apparent non-adjustment for school size in citations, etc., and no equivalent of the employment metric for high ranking public officials (such as director of the CIA).

My biggest issue is with W&M's rank, but after looking pretty thoroughly at the list, I have to say it falls just short of being totally bogus. I find the Times global rankings to be more accurate, but still with its flaws (including large fluctuations in rankings year-to-year because of a shorter span in which to "score" in some categories- at least in the past).

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/wo...ld-ranking
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(07-21-2014 06:40 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Waiting for a MTSU fan to come and derail this thread....07-coffee3

Not necessary. What know what the deal is.
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All of these University rankings have flaws. People seem to put the most stock into whichever ranking has their favorite University the highest.
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(07-22-2014 09:08 AM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  All of these University rankings have flaws. People seem to put the most stock into whichever ranking has their favorite University the highest.

Not necessarily, because I would just default to Washington Monthly, which ranked W&M at #24 in 2013, rather than USNWR, which put W&M at #32. Washington Monthly puts too much emphasis on public service and "social mobility." USNWR has a better methodology for ranking an institution all-around (http://www.usnews.com/education/best-col...rankings).

Also, USNWR doesn't quite have the same bias toward tech schools that a lot of the other rankings tend to have when they start including research dollars, etc. They are also willing to adjust their criteria following feedback and reflection (without always bending to the fickleness of public opinion).

All rankings are to be taken for what they are, however:

Several schools won't actively participate in the rankings (see Charlotte) and still manage to get ranked despite that. For the record, I wish we did participate, because I think it only hurts the alumni and students when people don't know that by just looking at the rankings.

People need to understand that a school can be ranked 300th but still have the third-best program in a particular area (and, oppositely, 10th, but the specific program is ranked 65th).

Lastly, particular fit, geography, and cost of an institution should also be a major driving factor. Sure, that ODU kid could've gone to Georgetown, but ODU might be closer, fit his personality better, and, ultimately, save him a helluva lot of money for a good education.

It all depends on how the individual weighs these factors and whether someone is thinking about return on investment (I'm not paying full price, out-of-state at Michigan to be an elementary school teacher in South Carolina).

The rankings are merely one way to inform your decision, but are only your surface level research when trying to select a college or university.
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