(07-21-2014 05:36 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:35 PM)correcamino Wrote:  1. Team A pulls away from Team B late in the game to win by 14 points.
2. Team A is comfortably ahead all game long, Team B score a couple of TDs in garbage time to cut the lead to 14 points.

This is why you dont play boxscore analyst and throw around cliches. Games can have an identical score yet be completely different at the same time--not sure why this is some kind of novelty to you.

It's not a novelty to me, I just don't view things the way you do. You also didn't defend your point very well at all.

If you want to talk about garbage time, I might give you seven points of leeway, but unless you're talking about two teams tied with two minutes to play and one team scoring a TD and then taking a pick six back on the next series this talk of 14 points is silly
And even still, using your game from last year and a 14 point leeway you're still talking about a 17 point margin.

Your hypothetical of team A extending their lead by 14 in the fourth and team B closing the gap from 28 to 14 in garbage time is a pretty extreme example of how two games with the same margin can be a different game altogether.

To keep your extreme example of two different games analogous to the actual game(the one with a 31 point margin) we're talking about you'd need to be comparing 28 point fourth quarters.

Is a game in which one team extends their lead from 3 to 31 in the fourth quarter drastically different from one in which a team closes the gap from 59 to 31 in the fourth quarter? Sure, but again that's a beyond extreme example.

At the end of sixty minutes Houston was 31 points better and that's far more important than any explanation or minutia of the game itself.

Wait, so you have rules for when boxscore analysis is effective and when it is not now? Because I couldve sworn you said that's how you analyze all games just a couple of posts ago. The example I used wasnt related to the UTSA-UH game. It was simply meant to prove how big of a joke boxscore analysis is.

But if you need me to break it down for the specific game we are discussing here you go:

1. Team A manhandles Team B all game long, ends up winning by 31 points.
2. Team A and Team B are neck and neck through three quarters, Team B commits 5 turnovers in the 4th and loses by 31 points.

Same score, two totally different games. It's really not that hard.

Are we still arguing this? Aug. 29th needs to get here in a hurry.

You clearly didn't see the census thread where MTPiKapp went full re....... on UAB because apparently, they loaded up the poll with ringers, thus giving the poll an unrepresentative sample.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694348-page-12.html

(07-21-2014 06:26 PM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:36 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:35 PM)correcamino Wrote:  1. Team A pulls away from Team B late in the game to win by 14 points.
2. Team A is comfortably ahead all game long, Team B score a couple of TDs in garbage time to cut the lead to 14 points.

This is why you dont play boxscore analyst and throw around cliches. Games can have an identical score yet be completely different at the same time--not sure why this is some kind of novelty to you.

It's not a novelty to me, I just don't view things the way you do. You also didn't defend your point very well at all.

If you want to talk about garbage time, I might give you seven points of leeway, but unless you're talking about two teams tied with two minutes to play and one team scoring a TD and then taking a pick six back on the next series this talk of 14 points is silly.

And even still, using your game from last year and a 14 point leeway you're still talking about a 17 point margin.

Your hypothetical of team A extending their lead by 14 in the fourth and team B closing the gap from 28 to 14 in garbage time is a pretty extreme example of how two games with the same margin can be a different game altogether.

To keep your extreme example of two different games analogous to the actual game(the one with a 31 point margin) we're talking about you'd need to be comparing 28 point fourth quarters.

Is a game in which one team extends their lead from 3 to 31 in the fourth quarter drastically different from one in which a team closes the gap from 59 to 31 in the fourth quarter? Sure, but again that's a beyond extreme example.

At the end of sixty minutes Houston was 31 points better and that's far more important than any explanation or minutia of the game itself.

Wait, so you have rules for when boxscore analysis is effective and when it is not now? Because I couldve sworn you said that's how you analyze all games just a couple of posts ago. The example I used wasnt related to the UTSA-UH game. It was simply meant to prove how big of a joke boxscore analysis is.

But if you need me to break it down for the specific game we are discussing here you go:

1. Team A manhandles Team B all game long, ends up winning by 31 points.
2. Team A and Team B are neck and neck through three quarters, Team B commits 5 turnovers in the 4th and loses by 31 points.

Same score, two totally different games. It's really not that hard.

Are we still arguing this? Aug. 29th needs to get here in a hurry.

You clearly didn't see the census thread where MTPiKapp went full re....... on UAB because apparently, they loaded up the poll with ringers, thus giving the poll an unreprensative sample.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694348-page-12.html

Nah, I missed that one. Life is too short for sh!t like that.

(07-21-2014 06:50 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 06:26 PM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:36 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  It's not a novelty to me, I just don't view things the way you do. You also didn't defend your point very well at all.

If you want to talk about garbage time, I might give you seven points of leeway, but unless you're talking about two teams tied with two minutes to play and one team scoring a TD and then taking a pick six back on the next series this talk of 14 points is silly.

And even still, using your game from last year and a 14 point leeway you're still talking about a 17 point margin.

Your hypothetical of team A extending their lead by 14 in the fourth and team B closing the gap from 28 to 14 in garbage time is a pretty extreme example of how two games with the same margin can be a different game altogether.

To keep your extreme example of two different games analogous to the actual game(the one with a 31 point margin) we're talking about you'd need to be comparing 28 point fourth quarters.

Is a game in which one team extends their lead from 3 to 31 in the fourth quarter drastically different from one in which a team closes the gap from 59 to 31 in the fourth quarter? Sure, but again that's a beyond extreme example.

At the end of sixty minutes Houston was 31 points better and that's far more important than any explanation or minutia of the game itself.

Wait, so you have rules for when boxscore analysis is effective and when it is not now? Because I couldve sworn you said that's how you analyze all games just a couple of posts ago. The example I used wasnt related to the UTSA-UH game. It was simply meant to prove how big of a joke boxscore analysis is.

But if you need me to break it down for the specific game we are discussing here you go:

1. Team A manhandles Team B all game long, ends up winning by 31 points.
2. Team A and Team B are neck and neck through three quarters, Team B commits 5 turnovers in the 4th and loses by 31 points.

Same score, two totally different games. It's really not that hard.

Are we still arguing this? Aug. 29th needs to get here in a hurry.

You clearly didn't see the census thread where MTPiKapp went full re....... on UAB because apparently, they loaded up the poll with ringers, thus giving the poll an unreprensative sample.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694348-page-12.html

Nah, I missed that one. Life is too short for sh!t like that.

As a friendly reminder, bypassing the profanity filter by editing one of the letters is a violation of the AUP.

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)correcamino Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:13 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 04:35 PM)correcamino Wrote:  1. Team A pulls away from Team B late in the game to win by 14 points.
2. Team A is comfortably ahead all game long, Team B score a couple of TDs in garbage time to cut the lead to 14 points.

This is why you dont play boxscore analyst and throw around cliches. Games can have an identical score yet be completely different at the same time--not sure why this is some kind of novelty to you.

It's not a novelty to me, I just don't view things the way you do. You also didn't defend your point very well at all.

If you want to talk about garbage time, I might give you seven points of leeway, but unless you're talking about two teams tied with two minutes to play and one team scoring a TD and then taking a pick six back on the next series this talk of 14 points is silly.

And even still, using your game from last year and a 14 point leeway you're still talking about a 17 point margin.

Your hypothetical of team A extending their lead by 14 in the fourth and team B closing the gap from 28 to 14 in garbage time is a pretty extreme example of how two games with the same margin can be a different game altogether.

To keep your extreme example of two different games analogous to the actual game(the one with a 31 point margin) we're talking about you'd need to be comparing 28 point fourth quarters.

Is a game in which one team extends their lead from 3 to 31 in the fourth quarter drastically different from one in which a team closes the gap from 59 to 31 in the fourth quarter? Sure, but again that's a beyond extreme example.

At the end of sixty minutes Houston was 31 points better and that's far more important than any explanation or minutia of the game itself.

Wait, so you have rules for when boxscore analysis is effective and when it is not now? Because I couldve sworn you said that's how you analyze all games just a couple of posts ago. The example I used wasnt related to the UTSA-UH game. It was simply meant to prove how big of a joke boxscore analysis is.

But if you need me to break it down for the specific game we are discussing here you go:

1. Team A manhandles Team B all game long, ends up winning by 31 points.
2. Team A and Team B are neck and neck through three quarters, Team B commits 5 turnovers in the 4th and loses by 31 points.

Same score, two totally different games. It's really not that hard.

Thanks for the explanation, but I disagree. You and I have a difference of opinion...it's really not that hard.

(07-19-2014 02:33 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 02:16 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

I tried to find the record for a quarter, but the record for most turnovers in a game is 13. So it's happened at least once before.

Oddly UH is all over the record books for turnovers.
Most INTs by a player in one game: Byron Beaver with 5 (tied with several others)
Most pick sixes in one game: Johnny Jackson with 3
Most pick sixes team in on game: 4

It was actually 5 in a quarter, but I tried to look it up also. Haven't found anything about what the record is, and I've googled both NFL and college football in order to try to have some reference point. Maybe that's not a statistic they track? Amazing considering the stuff they track (lol) and how big an impact turnovers have upon games.

I've just never heard of a game before where a team had 5 turnovers in a single quarter. Had to have happened before though I would think. At any rate, rare indeed, and it is what it is. You guys had a VERY opportunistic defense last year and I'm hoping our game this season will come down to the final minute, not just the final quarter.

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This is what happened to WKU against Tennessee last season. We had 5 turnovers happen within 6 downs. The difference was it was the first quarter not the 4th so the game was pretty much over.
WKU ended up actually having more total yards but lost by 32 points thanks to all the turnovers.
Sure it was a L in the win loss column but is there a difference between losing a game you are competitive in as far a between the end zones as opposed to being manhandled and not even having a chance? Heck yes. Superficially it is just another loss but there is a difference.

(07-21-2014 07:35 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 06:50 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 06:26 PM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:36 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:22 PM)correcamino Wrote:  Wait, so you have rules for when boxscore analysis is effective and when it is not now? Because I couldve sworn you said that's how you analyze all games just a couple of posts ago. The example I used wasnt related to the UTSA-UH game. It was simply meant to prove how big of a joke boxscore analysis is.

But if you need me to break it down for the specific game we are discussing here you go:

1. Team A manhandles Team B all game long, ends up winning by 31 points.
2. Team A and Team B are neck and neck through three quarters, Team B commits 5 turnovers in the 4th and loses by 31 points.

Same score, two totally different games. It's really not that hard.

Are we still arguing this? Aug. 29th needs to get here in a hurry.

You clearly didn't see the census thread where MTPiKapp went full re....... on UAB because apparently, they loaded up the poll with ringers, thus giving the poll an unreprensative sample.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694348-page-12.html

Nah, I missed that one. Life is too short for sh!t like that.

As a friendly reminder, bypassing the profanity filter by editing one of the letters is a violation of the AUP.

Trust me , you can ban me if you like, its absolutely no skin off my back. Get your panties out of bunch. Like i said , life is too short.

(07-21-2014 09:31 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 07:35 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 06:50 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 06:26 PM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:36 PM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  Are we still arguing this? Aug. 29th needs to get here in a hurry.

You clearly didn't see the census thread where MTPiKapp went full re....... on UAB because apparently, they loaded up the poll with ringers, thus giving the poll an unreprensative sample.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-694348-page-12.html

Nah, I missed that one. Life is too short for sh!t like that.

As a friendly reminder, bypassing the profanity filter by editing one of the letters is a violation of the AUP.

Trust me , you can ban me if you like, its absolutely no skin off my back. Get your panties out of bunch. Like i said , life is too short.

Ban you?

Take a deep breath pal, it was a friendly reminder.

http://csnbbs.com/html/aup.html

Posters on both sides have made interesting points. However, I'm more interested in discussing this year's possibilities than last.

UTSA has the most seniors of any team in the country and I do expect us to be improved - if only moderately - in particular along both lines and at corner.

I expect Houston to be equally improved and O'Korn may be scary with a year under his belt (sophomore?). Greenberry also concerns me.

New probable starting QB for UTSA is senior Tucker Carter. He is untested in a full-game scenario, but had a TD drive last year against Oklahoma State's first string and was a 5A state champion at Allen, TX and likewise a champion in JUCO. He has a rocket arm and can run a bit, though not like Soza.

On a season-wide scale I am very confident in Carter's abilities and output. The question is, can he be ready & good Game 1?

There is also a more minor question at running back. Starter Glasco will be good as ever, but UTSA runs a two or three-pronged attack. I'm curious if Williams - who has looked the part and made plays - is ready to hold onto the ball with consistency.

If one or both of these unknowns come up positive for UTSA, I feel great about our chances despite a very strong opponent in UH.

(07-21-2014 09:55 PM)forerunner Wrote:  New probable starting QB for UTSA is senior Tucker Carter. He is untested in a full-game scenario, but had a TD drive last year against Oklahoma State's first string and was a 5A state champion at Allen, TX and likewise a champion in JUCO. He has a rocket arm and can run a bit, though not like Soza.

On a season-wide scale I am very confident in Carter's abilities and output. The question is, can he be ready & good Game 1?

Carter had the last of the 5 turnovers vs UH, a pick six.

(07-21-2014 11:44 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 09:55 PM)forerunner Wrote:  New probable starting QB for UTSA is senior Tucker Carter. He is untested in a full-game scenario, but had a TD drive last year against Oklahoma State's first string and was a 5A state champion at Allen, TX and likewise a champion in JUCO. He has a rocket arm and can run a bit, though not like Soza.

On a season-wide scale I am very confident in Carter's abilities and output. The question is, can he be ready & good Game 1?

Carter had the last of the 5 turnovers vs UH, a pick six.

Yes, with 46 seconds left. Like I already said, I am more interested in discussing this year's possibilities. Carter also threw a pick (a long bomb) in garbage time vs. La Tech. The point of my comment was to let C-USA fans know a little bit about UTSA's new QB, which is relevant to the Houston game.

I'll be rooting for UTSA, and I think they'll be very tough this year. But I have a lot of respect for what Houston is doing and I think they take this one; especially it being the first game in TDECU stadium. I don't know what to expect from Carter (and it seems that's the big question), but I was a huge Soza fan, and think his loss will be felt. He was a real leader of that offense, and it might take Carter some time to fit into those shoes.

UTSA versus Houston should be one of the best games of the weekend.

I'll be a Roadrunner fan for this one!

When comparing last year with this, QB is the obvious thing to point to. Last year, UTSA trotted out an experienced quarterback. For Houston, O'Korn was starting just his second game. Script is flipped this season. I expect UH to win comfortably. A 38-24 kind of game.