That 4th quarter of the UH game last year was ugly. Yea we had turnovers & did things to shoot ourselves in the foot but you have to the give the Coogs credit for capitalizing on our miscues. That quarter started what eventually turned into a 3 game losing streak.

This year's game will be tough for the Runners to pull off the upset. It can be done, & I wouldn't be shocked if we won, but it will take the best COMPLETE game that UTSA has played as program to date.

UTSA will likely win.

(07-18-2014 09:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 09:06 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 08:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

At the end of the day a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss, the only people who care at all about the circumstances leading to the margin of defeat are the fans of the losing side.

Says the guy arguing your 31 point loss was closer than other 31 point losses?

He's saying the difference between the two teams wasn't as big as 31 points would suggest and he's absolutely right. The better team won that day but let's be honest 5 turnovers in a quarter is insane...UH was good at forcing turnovers all season long but at some point it's self implosion when you have that many in a single quarter.

(07-19-2014 01:03 AM)correcamino Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 09:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 09:06 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(07-18-2014 08:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

At the end of the day a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss, the only people who care at all about the circumstances leading to the margin of defeat are the fans of the losing side.

Says the guy arguing your 31 point loss was closer than other 31 point losses?

He's saying the difference between the two teams wasn't as big as 31 points would suggest and he's absolutely right. The better team won that day but let's be honest 5 turnovers in a quarter is insane...UH was good at forcing turnovers all season long but at some point it's self implosion when you have that many in a single quarter.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book. At the end of 60 minutes they were 31 points better than you.

Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

I just finished watching the game and the game was nothing like the final score. It was pretty close until the 4th quarter and then freakin consecutive int's killed the runners. If not for the 4 the quarter the game stayed pretty even. I haven't followed this soza kid much but if you even have a decent quarterback at the helm you guys have a shot at the coogs.

I am wondering what the UCF and ECU fans are doing here, am I the only one?

I'll be pulling hard for the Cougars in this one. This is exactly the kind of trap game that's tripped them up in the past.

(07-19-2014 11:29 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I'll be pulling hard for the Cougars in this one. This is exactly the kind of trap game that's tripped them up in the past.

Huh? You're pulling for the team in the AAC? Why?

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

It was 5 in a quarter, but just give it up. He's a broken record, and you know what we do with broken records.

(07-19-2014 11:41 AM)SATXBOSSMAN Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:29 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I'll be pulling hard for the Cougars in this one. This is exactly the kind of trap game that's tripped them up in the past.

Huh? You're pulling for the team in the AAC? Why?

+1

Andre your friends have left you, and it is time to move on with the new CUSA.

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

I tried to find the record for a quarter, but the record for most turnovers in a game is 13. So it's happened at least once before.

Oddly UH is all over the record books for turnovers.
Most INTs by a player in one game: Byron Beaver with 5 (tied with several others)
Most pick sixes in one game: Johnny Jackson with 3
Most pick sixes team in on game: 4

(07-19-2014 02:16 PM)NTXCoog Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

I tried to find the record for a quarter, but the record for most turnovers in a game is 13. So it's happened at least once before.

Oddly UH is all over the record books for turnovers.
Most INTs by a player in one game: Byron Beaver with 5 (tied with several others)
Most pick sixes in one game: Johnny Jackson with 3
Most pick sixes team in on game: 4

It was actually 5 in a quarter, but I tried to look it up also. Haven't found anything about what the record is, and I've googled both NFL and college football in order to try to have some reference point. Maybe that's not a statistic they track? Amazing considering the stuff they track (lol) and how big an impact turnovers have upon games.

I've just never heard of a game before where a team had 5 turnovers in a single quarter. Had to have happened before though I would think. At any rate, rare indeed, and it is what it is. You guys had a VERY opportunistic defense last year and I'm hoping our game this season will come down to the final minute, not just the final quarter.

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

Both teams have 60 minutes to score as many points as they can, it matters not how they score them nor does it matter if your scoring is evenly spread over the course of four quarters or in a fury in the fourth quarter.

Do I understand the logic you guys are using? Sure. You guys played them much closer than the final score would indicate for three out of four quarters.


For the purpose of comparing last year's game to this year's the five turnovers in a quarter has a place in the discussion as Houston shouldn't count on five turnovers in the game, let alone a quarter, but ultimately at the conclusion of sixty minutes they were 31 points better than you and no one but UTSA fans care about the details of how that margin was reached.

Comparing games even one year to the next is a fool's errand anyhow. Best of luck in the game, I know very little about either squad, it should go without saying, but I'll be pulling for you guys.

(07-19-2014 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

Both teams have 60 minutes to score as many points as they can, it matters not how they score them nor does it matter if your scoring is evenly spread over the course of four quarters or in a fury in the fourth quarter.

Do I understand the logic you guys are using? Sure. You guys played them much closer than the final score would indicate for three out of four quarters.


For the purpose of comparing last year's game to this year's the five turnovers in a quarter has a place in the discussion as Houston shouldn't count on five turnovers in the game, let alone a quarter, but ultimately at the conclusion of sixty minutes they were 31 points better than you and no one but UTSA fans care about the details of how that margin was reached.

Comparing games even one year to the next is a fool's errand anyhow. Best of luck in the game, I know very little about either squad, it should go without saying, but I'll be pulling for you guys.

Why are you beating around the bush? You failed to answer my question.

(07-19-2014 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

Both teams have 60 minutes to score as many points as they can, it matters not how they score them nor does it matter if your scoring is evenly spread over the course of four quarters or in a fury in the fourth quarter.

Do I understand the logic you guys are using? Sure. You guys played them much closer than the final score would indicate for three out of four quarters.


For the purpose of comparing last year's game to this year's the five turnovers in a quarter has a place in the discussion as Houston shouldn't count on five turnovers in the game, let alone a quarter, but ultimately at the conclusion of sixty minutes they were 31 points better than you and no one but UTSA fans care about the details of how that margin was reached.

Comparing games even one year to the next is a fool's errand anyhow. Best of luck in the game, I know very little about either squad, it should go without saying, but I'll be pulling for you guys.

We all understand it's a game of 60 minutes. No one's disputing that. You keep saying that no one but UTSA fans care about how the margin was reached, but does that mean we can't comment on it in order to let the casual fan (who only saw the final score and didn't know how it went down because they weren't there) know how it went down? NO! When you keep saying over and over again that people only look at the final score, you're not telling us anything we don't know and hence are contributing nada to this discussion.

We're at full liberty to comment on the game because we were there and saw it. You're likewise at full liberty to comment on it even if you weren't there, but it's pointless to keep coming at us with a broken record of something all of us already know.

Appreciate you saying in the end there that you'll at least be pulling for us, but that 4th quarter hurt our fans and our team in ways that you may not understand. I graduated from UTSA in '90, have been a supporter of our university both in its academic and athletic pursuits since I first enrolled, and it has been a looong wait for our school to finally start a football program. It changed the whole atmosphere on our campus and the spirit and mood of our students.

We have SO many football programs to compete with for recruits here in Texas though (Texas, Texas A&M, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, Rice, SMU, North Texas, Texas State, UTEP) that it's been an uphill battle for us in terms of notoriety, respect, exposure (you name it) from the outset. That list doesn't even include FCS programs like Sam Houston State and Stephen F. Austin who're also well known in our state. If we had won that game against an established program like UH last year in only our 3rd season, it would've done WONDERS for our recruiting. If we had even just kept the final score close, it would've already put us out there in the discussion.

So pardon me if I don't appreciate your nonchalant and cavalier attitude toward a quarter that was painful for us to watch. In lieu of a young program seeking respect, and seeking to sway recruits who've grown up watching so many other established programs in the state who have 60, 70, or 100+ year histories, and who have trophy cases, NCAA records, legendary coaches and NFL players to boast of, it hurt a great deal for such a terrific effort and great game to end for us in that fashion, and essentially go unnoticed by people like you. It was great for us to finish the season as we did at 6-2 in conference and 7-5 overall, but Houston might be the biggest recruiting ground in Texas, and losing to both UH and Rice was hard to take.

Amazingly enough, we're still right there with UH so far in recruiting for 2015 anyway, but we'll see how the rest of this all plays itself out in due time.

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...amRankings

Meh. We lost. The way we lost is just as bad as having been blown out.

The difference is the emotional roller coaster and hope we UTSA fans developed and lost during the game through the 3rd and 4th quarter versus having the downsslide start from the beginning of the game.

To have that many turn-overs and to have them score points on all those turnovers was still a crushing defeat regardless of when it happened. We can analyze it to death, or realize that UH finally made the adjustments they needed and capitalized on our mistakes.

I don't think our UTSA coaches were telling our guys how well they played up to the 4th quarter. I think they were telling our players about how UTSA didn't capitalize on UH mistakes throughout the entire game, and showed where we could have played better in every aspect of the game so as to not have been I that situation to begin with.

My points are that the coaches probably weren't focusing on just the fourth quarter and how we were doing great all the way up until the 4th quarter. Instead it was about the entire game and the major loss. On top of that, Coach Coker has stated many times that a loss is still a loss (no moral victories).

I still see it as a blowout.

But it's a heck of a case study to use to motivate and learn from so that it doesn't happen again. I expect this game will have fire right from the kickoff.

(07-19-2014 03:27 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 03:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:11 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 11:55 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 01:25 AM)correcamino Wrote:  Nobody is disputing the final score or that UH was the better team... but youre a fool if you think there is absolutely no difference between a 31 point loss where you are manhandled in every way possible (which is what most 31 point blowouts are like) and a 31 point loss like the one UTSA suffered that day.

There are no pictures, stories or asterisks in the record book.

A 31 point loss is a 31 point loss is a 31 point loss.

How often do you see 4 turnovers in one quarter of football?

Both teams have 60 minutes to score as many points as they can, it matters not how they score them nor does it matter if your scoring is evenly spread over the course of four quarters or in a fury in the fourth quarter.

Do I understand the logic you guys are using? Sure. You guys played them much closer than the final score would indicate for three out of four quarters.


For the purpose of comparing last year's game to this year's the five turnovers in a quarter has a place in the discussion as Houston shouldn't count on five turnovers in the game, let alone a quarter, but ultimately at the conclusion of sixty minutes they were 31 points better than you and no one but UTSA fans care about the details of how that margin was reached.

Comparing games even one year to the next is a fool's errand anyhow. Best of luck in the game, I know very little about either squad, it should go without saying, but I'll be pulling for you guys.

Why are you beating around the bush? You failed to answer my question.

The question is irrelevant, it wouldn't matter if you turned it over ten times in a quarter. There are no pictures, stories, or asterisks in the record book.