(07-09-2014 08:13 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

I've seen the stadium in person. Obviously, it's not finished but to say it's a tin can is stupid and wrong. UCF's stadium is a tin can. This is going to be a really nice stadium.

Everything else in your post I couldn't give 2 ***** about.

Sure "tin can" is probably harsh, but this stadium does not give Houston any real advantage in regard to what I am talking about and what officials at major football schools began discussing decades ago.

Houston's leadership probably knows they have zero chance of getting an invite to the table, so they are content to do what is likely to make them the greatest amount of money. Good for them if that is their goal, but good luck as they have along way to go in relation to realignment because this stadium falls short. I mean, they couldn't even get 10K fans to BBVA compass this year for the Tigers. This new stadium will be empty most of the time, as well. Bottom line, Memphis has a lot more upside than Houston, and my point is that our school needs to capitalize on it. Why compare ourselves with other schools who are currently where we do not want to be?

Too bad you don't care - conference realignment (many still believe super conferences are inevitable) is important for the University and getting an invite needs to be a primary goal. Have fun in Knoxville this fall. We will see you at the Forum next year.

(07-08-2014 06:06 PM)eltigre Wrote:  UH Stadium Naming Rights Sold for 15 MIL

Dreamers, thinkers, .....

Dewars.

(07-09-2014 08:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

The two bolded statements ruin any credibility your statement has. TCU's stadium capacity is 40K, but they play a high level of FB. And by published reports from Big XII officials, Memphis is not close to being considered. And while other schools, namely Cincinnati, UConn, Houston & SMU as examples, are working hard both in terms of facilities and with making their FB program field competitive with the P5, we have no plans to upgrade our FB playing facilities - i.e., even vague OC stadium location considerations have been completely removed from the strategic long range plan .

Our university history is to give our facilities money to the city of Memphis who has shown a track record of abuse & neglect in terms of facilities dating back to the construction of Crump Stadium - and every major sports facility our university has used since. This lack of facilities kept our university from SEC consideration in the 60s-70s period when we were competitive on the field. Now we still have no facilities & we are not competitive & haven't been in years. And we still give alumni, especially our of the city alumni no reasons to visit the campus & it affects giving & continued association & attachment with the university (i.e., financial contributions). IMO we will not be considered fro a P5 slot until we make the commitment to OC facilities.

Memphis has greater upside for larger fan support than TCU, and my comment to 55K seat capacity initially was in reference to the Liberty Bowl game, as I believe that to be more of an asset moving forward.

I also know for a fact that Memphis comes up in discussion during closed-door meetings among Big 12 University presidents and AD's. An invite is a long shot up until the point that Memphis does something big, like the type of stadium improvements I am talking about. While the upgrades to south campus will be nice, I do not think it will be enough in the long run and could be outdated in 5-10 years upon completion.

I appreciate your point about on-campus facilities. I just don't think that by going this route a stadium project will be pursued in an ambitious manner. I would expect a UCF type stadium to be the result, and that would be a mistake.

Baylor's new stadium will seat 45k, same as TCU. Kansas State and Kansas seat 50k.

(07-09-2014 08:41 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 08:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

The two bolded statements ruin any credibility your statement has. TCU's stadium capacity is 40K, but they play a high level of FB. And by published reports from Big XII officials, Memphis is not close to being considered. And while other schools, namely Cincinnati, UConn, Houston & SMU as examples, are working hard both in terms of facilities and with making their FB program field competitive with the P5, we have no plans to upgrade our FB playing facilities - i.e., even vague OC stadium location considerations have been completely removed from the strategic long range plan .

Our university history is to give our facilities money to the city of Memphis who has shown a track record of abuse & neglect in terms of facilities dating back to the construction of Crump Stadium - and every major sports facility our university has used since. This lack of facilities kept our university from SEC consideration in the 60s-70s period when we were competitive on the field. Now we still have no facilities & we are not competitive & haven't been in years. And we still give alumni, especially our of the city alumni no reasons to visit the campus & it affects giving & continued association & attachment with the university (i.e., financial contributions). IMO we will not be considered fro a P5 slot until we make the commitment to OC facilities.

Aaaaand there goes your credibility. I like you Atlanta, you're a good poster, but that statement isn't even close to the truth.

Time will tell the story. It will be one of those "Memphis you were close but we had to go with...". I understand our name surfaces from time to time in discussions but the same old issues surface at the same time because our university has not done the things necessary to improve its position of consideration. Whether Memphians like it or not (& I still consider myself a Memphian), our university being seen as synonymous with the city of Memphis is not a positive thing (it was a negative in the 60s-70s & it is still a negative). Our university needs a separate identity and OC facilities would help provide it. The major problem is that our university's biggest boosters are tied up by city politicians who want investment in the university to come through the city and to be controlled by the city. Under those circumstances our university will never make the P5, IMO - and we haven't even considered on-field performance as yet another draw-back.

(07-08-2014 07:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Ehh... 10 yrs/$15MM is not a lot of money at all. Actually a pretty big statement that UH football is small time.

Anything over $1 million per year is a great deal. With interest rates being so low; $1.5 million per year will probably service a great deal of the debt on a loan if we ever build our own stadium. That doesn't even account for any of the other revenue streams.

One other quick note about revenue streams. People don't say much about parking revenue; but when someone is willing to build a parking garage for $24 million, you better believe that there is a lot of money to be made.

An OCS is completely doable with the right leadership. Having RC around ****** everything up; hopefully not beyond repair.

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

In hindsight, Memphis should have built something like this when the Forum was in planning. An adjacent new convention center as well. Would have shared many amenities like food courts/concessions, loading docks, parking garage, catering kitchens, even club areas. It would have gave Memphis the opportunity to host large scale concerts, conventions (arena floors.double as exhibit space), later rounds of the NCAA basketball, indoor Liberty Bowl by entertainment district, wrestlemanias, large speaking events like Promisekeepers and maybe a political convention.

(07-09-2014 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

What Houston is doing is not impressive and is not worth Memphis' consideration. On the other hand, what Memphis can do to better itself is not only important at this critical time (as most of us are aware), but requires a sense of urgency. A sense of urgency RC Johnson apparently did not have - it would have been helpful if he had literally gotten off his rocker.

(07-08-2014 06:28 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  Nice looking stadium.

yes it is, looks like SMU

(07-08-2014 06:06 PM)eltigre Wrote:  UH Stadium Naming Rights Sold for 15 MIL

Dreamers, thinkers, .....

I will argue that The Liberty Bowl name is worth something in that it is instant name recognition. No one outside of Houston ever heard of this credit union.

(07-09-2014 09:28 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

What Houston is doing is not impressive and is not worth Memphis' consideration. On the other hand, what Memphis can do to better itself is not only important at this critical time (as most of us are aware), but requires a sense of urgency. A sense of urgency RC Johnson apparently did not have - it would have been helpful if he had literally gotten off his rocker.

It's not impressive? They are spending $120 million. IF we spent $120 million and came up with $15 million for naming rights over 10 years; and then another $15 million over the next 10 years, we would build a beautiful OCS.

What Memphis can do to better itself? We have GREAT leadership at the helm and the answer is nothing that compares to a $120 million OCS; not even close.

TCU got into the Big 12 with average facilities and a small stadium. USF and UCF got into what was a very good Big East before us, with no pedigree and average facilities and tradition.

Your answer is to spend $400 million to compete with Oklahoma. That is nothing short of delusional.

(07-09-2014 07:07 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:40 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  TDECU is a horrible letter cluster for a name for anything...just sayin.

Did you read the thread on the AAC forum? It's pretty funny.

One guy said, "TouchDown, ECU!"

Another said, "Was TD SMU taken?"

Houston fan said, "The Den Every Coog Uses."

And so on...

lol No, I gotta go look at that thread. Last night I was trying so hard to come up with words as good
The Den Every Coog Uses.

(07-09-2014 03:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:28 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

What Houston is doing is not impressive and is not worth Memphis' consideration. On the other hand, what Memphis can do to better itself is not only important at this critical time (as most of us are aware), but requires a sense of urgency. A sense of urgency RC Johnson apparently did not have - it would have been helpful if he had literally gotten off his rocker.

It's not impressive? They are spending $120 million. IF we spent $120 million and came up with $15 million for naming rights over 10 years; and then another $15 million over the next 10 years, we would build a beautiful OCS.

What Memphis can do to better itself? We have GREAT leadership at the helm and the answer is nothing that compares to a $120 million OCS; not even close.

TCU got into the Big 12 with average facilities and a small stadium. USF and UCF got into what was a very good Big East before us, with no pedigree and average facilities and tradition.

Your answer is to spend $400 million to compete with Oklahoma. That is nothing short of delusional.

If in the future Memphis moves forward with plans to do what TCU did to their stadium, they will spend over ~$200 million adjusted for inflation. The Oklahoma example is the high end but would achieve the same desired result. On the other hand, going the cheap route like Houston is the only plan that provides Memphis with a zero chance at the Big 12.

Stop relying on name-calling; from what I have observed, this is becoming typical behavior for you; absolutely ridiculous. I think you are wrong, but I am not being rude about it.

(07-09-2014 03:38 PM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 03:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:28 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 12:07 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  Please do not get carried away with Houston's shiny new tin can. If Memphis goes this route, they will end up in the same place as Houston. That is, being left out of a super conference in the future.

Tiger fans who want this or any similar type of on-campus stadium are only interested in fan amenities and not what is in the best interest of the program moving forward. If Memphis wants to be in the Big 12 someday, then we are better off making comparisons with teams already in the Big 12 like Baylor or even Oklahoma, not Houston.

Memphis needs to either spend ~$200 - $350 million on Liberty Bowl improvements OR ~$400 million + on a new domed stadium either at the fairgrounds or downtown. 55K seat capacity minimum either way. Anything short of this and the University risks being left out of any super conference.

If lack of funds is allowed to be an excuse, then there is no point in even trying. If fans' short-term desires are put ahead of an aggressive master plan with long-term goals in mind, then no one can blame Fuente when he either fails here or leaves for any job marginally higher on the totem pole.

Most schools already in the Big 12 are looking for any excuse to invite Memphis and Cincinnati. Any last shred of doubt can be eliminated by making a statement that Memphis is serious. Bottom line, going the cheap route like Houston gives Texas another reason to say no. Making this mistake would be a disaster as we would go from being a basketball school to essentially a basketball-only school.

With that said, I am convinced that the new president, Bowen, and Fuente understand this and are willing to get us there with no expense spared. The future seems to be very bright, but it won't be if Memphians are afraid or lack the collective self-esteem to do what it takes and end up settling for something seemingly "good enough."

You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

What Houston is doing is not impressive and is not worth Memphis' consideration. On the other hand, what Memphis can do to better itself is not only important at this critical time (as most of us are aware), but requires a sense of urgency. A sense of urgency RC Johnson apparently did not have - it would have been helpful if he had literally gotten off his rocker.

It's not impressive? They are spending $120 million. IF we spent $120 million and came up with $15 million for naming rights over 10 years; and then another $15 million over the next 10 years, we would build a beautiful OCS.

What Memphis can do to better itself? We have GREAT leadership at the helm and the answer is nothing that compares to a $120 million OCS; not even close.

TCU got into the Big 12 with average facilities and a small stadium. USF and UCF got into what was a very good Big East before us, with no pedigree and average facilities and tradition.

Your answer is to spend $400 million to compete with Oklahoma. That is nothing short of delusional.

If in the future Memphis moves forward with plans to do what TCU did to their stadium, they will spend over ~$200 million adjusted for inflation. The Oklahoma example is the high end but would achieve the same desired result. On the other hand, going the cheap route like Houston is the only plan that provides Memphis with a zero chance at the Big 12.

Stop relying on name-calling; from what I have observed, this is becoming typical behavior for you; absolutely ridiculous. I think you are wrong, but I am not being rude about it.

You are suggesting that we spend $400 million on a stadium to compete with Oklahoma, and you are denigrating improvements made by other programs that are very impressive. I am calling a spade a spade and trying to be as polite about it as I can.

I said that you are delusional. Factual. Accurate. Tactful.

(07-09-2014 08:40 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 06:06 PM)eltigre Wrote:  UH Stadium Naming Rights Sold for 15 MIL

Dreamers, thinkers, .....

Dewars.

Good call Mick, Dreamers, thinkers, the Johnnie Walkers. It doesn't have the same ring to it.

(07-09-2014 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Ehh... 10 yrs/$15MM is not a lot of money at all. Actually a pretty big statement that UH football is small time.

Houston fans are saying it is the largest college football stadium naming deal in history, anywhere. Tweeted by at least one sportswriter, too, I think. Most college stadiums have no naming rights at all.

Yeah the reason most places don't have naming rights deals at all is b/c this amount of money simply isn't worth the loss of brand equity. Its the same reason schools like Harvard and Stanford don't name most of their colleges (e.g. Harvard Law School/Stanford Graduate School of Business v. Cecil C. Humphreys School of Law). The value of being able to name your stadium something identifiable with the school brand or preserving the rights for a very, very big alumnus donor much out outweighs $1.5MM/yr at most major programs.

If we were to ever get our own stadium, any naming rights deal in the $1-2MM/yr range should be for the field. I would hope that a deal for the actual stadium would fetch at least $4-5MM/yr. Otherwise, might as well keep it ourselves.

(07-09-2014 03:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 03:38 PM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 03:19 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:28 AM)biguofmfan Wrote:  

(07-09-2014 09:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You start by saying not to get carried away, and then you go completely off your rocker.

What Houston is doing is not impressive and is not worth Memphis' consideration. On the other hand, what Memphis can do to better itself is not only important at this critical time (as most of us are aware), but requires a sense of urgency. A sense of urgency RC Johnson apparently did not have - it would have been helpful if he had literally gotten off his rocker.

It's not impressive? They are spending $120 million. IF we spent $120 million and came up with $15 million for naming rights over 10 years; and then another $15 million over the next 10 years, we would build a beautiful OCS.

What Memphis can do to better itself? We have GREAT leadership at the helm and the answer is nothing that compares to a $120 million OCS; not even close.

TCU got into the Big 12 with average facilities and a small stadium. USF and UCF got into what was a very good Big East before us, with no pedigree and average facilities and tradition.

Your answer is to spend $400 million to compete with Oklahoma. That is nothing short of delusional.

If in the future Memphis moves forward with plans to do what TCU did to their stadium, they will spend over ~$200 million adjusted for inflation. The Oklahoma example is the high end but would achieve the same desired result. On the other hand, going the cheap route like Houston is the only plan that provides Memphis with a zero chance at the Big 12.

Stop relying on name-calling; from what I have observed, this is becoming typical behavior for you; absolutely ridiculous. I think you are wrong, but I am not being rude about it.

You are suggesting that we spend $400 million on a stadium to compete with Oklahoma, and you are denigrating improvements made by other programs that are very impressive. I am calling a spade a spade and trying to be as polite about it as I can.

I said that you are delusional. Factual. Accurate. Tactful.

Houston's improvements are impressive in consideration to what their goals are. They are not impressive in relation to what I think Memphis needs to do. A brand new stadium that would make a difference in my mind would cost close to ~$400 million (I think Minnesota provides a good example). Liberty Bowl upgrades done right would cost at least ~$200 million if comparable to other Big 12 schools, like Baylor and TCU. Memphis has done a great job if they land somewhere in the middle of these rough figures. Anything short and there is a risk. This is not controversial and certainly not delusional.

Perhaps, you are just frustrated because you figure like most of us that none of this will ever happen and Memphis will squander what really is a legit opportunity. However, it is people like you who have allowed such opportunities in the past to not be taken advantage of. Fix that old-school Memphis attitude and all of this is realistic.

(07-09-2014 07:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-08-2014 07:58 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  Ehh... 10 yrs/$15MM is not a lot of money at all. Actually a pretty big statement that UH football is small time.

Houston fans are saying it is the largest college football stadium naming deal in history, anywhere. Tweeted by at least one sportswriter, too, I think. Most college stadiums have no naming rights at all.

On a per year basis:

Houston $1.5M
Minnesota $1.4M
Cal $1.2M

are the only college football corporate naming rights deals worth more than $1M per.

Now, Minnesota got $35M over 25 years. That's impressive. We angled for a shorter deal in case, 10 years from now, we were playing in a P5 league.

However, TDECU insisted on an option to extend the naming rights. So after the 10 years expire, TDECU can extend for 5 more years at $7.5M. The deal could turn out to be $22.5M over 15 years.

(07-09-2014 08:13 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  I've seen the stadium in person. Obviously, it's not finished but to say it's a tin can is stupid and wrong. UCF's stadium is a tin can. This is going to be a really nice stadium.

Thanks. I agree with everything you said.