(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

(06-05-2014 07:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

And one of those wins was against the big 12 champs bama couldn't even beat the big 12 #2.

(06-05-2014 07:14 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 07:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

And one of those wins was against the big 12 champs bama couldn't even beat the big 12 #2.

True, but also irrelevant to the issue. I guess one could also say that UCF couldn't even beat the 4th place SEC team. At home.

(06-05-2014 07:14 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 07:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

And one of those wins was against the big 12 champs bama couldn't even beat the big 12 #2.

Who did Bama lose too? That just shows you how much I pay attention to P5 games. Or P5 wannabes like Georgetown

No, our conference needs to focus on playing P5 schools and not propping up the MWC - especially Boise St.

(06-05-2014 12:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I don't sch alliance with MWC is such a bad idea.
I see one & done with P-5 schools & SWAC/MEAC challenge
in Temple case at Vandy, vs DelST
I would prefer, at Frenso vs Wyoming

So, you would rather see Temple play at Fresno State instead of getting the national exposure of playing a program from the SEC, and you would rather see Wyoming coming into the Linc traveling zero fans instead of a Del State program where there is at least some chance for a decent crowd?

You are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else but it’s my feeling that besides Boise State there is not a football program in the MW that the fans in Philly would want to come see.

From a basketball standpoint it would be a thrown away game, you think the fans moaned and cried when Temple had to schedule a MAC game every year as part of that agreement, wait to see how empty the Liacouras Center would be for AFA, Colorado State or anyone else that’s not SDSU, New Mexico or UNLV.

Personally I don’t think the AAC needs to have anything to do with the MW from the standpoint of a formal alliance, it’s only my opinion but I believe the programs in the conference do a fine job of scheduling on their own.

(06-04-2014 10:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 10:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 07:59 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This agreement benefits the MWC way more than it does the American!

I see it as the other way around.

Funny the comments that are against this but yet you want to 7 MW team for a best of the rest type conference.

I think the MW needs to schedule the AAC, CUSA to show which conference has the better record against each other for the auto-bid to the Access Bowl.

The merger would benefit both, but an alliance is need more by the MWC than AAC!

AAC has to fight the stigma they aren't CUSA because the eye test shows hey...where did I see all these teams before...oh yeah...CUSA.
Hopefully, its proven in head to head competition.
(Now basketball is a different story...)

(06-05-2014 01:54 AM)Hotrod Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas - By Rutgers who is gone
Purdue
Kentucky - By Louisville who is gone
Miami (FL) - By Louisville who is gone
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

FCS Record by AAC last year:
6-3
FCS Record by MWC last year:
9-1
And the AAC was 0-1 vs the MWC last year....
Miscellaneous stats are fun, but don't mean sh!t at the end of the day... The next few years will be more determinate of which conference can pull ahead. Should be a fun few years until re-alignment rears it's ugly head!

And Florida is still Florida after losing to Georgia Southern. Michigan is still Michigan after losing to App State.

My stats point out the strength of our strongest teams while yours point out the weakness of the weaker teams. That's like responding to a post about how good Alabama, Auburn, and South Carolina are with a post about how bad Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Tennessee are.

I've made my point. Last season was enough to make a statement as to which G5 was in the top with the football champ and BCS winner, men's basketball national champion, women's basketball national champion, and one of our two current baseball super regional teams all returning next year.

(06-05-2014 07:58 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 10:40 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 10:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-04-2014 07:59 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  This agreement benefits the MWC way more than it does the American!

I see it as the other way around.

Funny the comments that are against this but yet you want to 7 MW team for a best of the rest type conference.

I think the MW needs to schedule the AAC, CUSA to show which conference has the better record against each other for the auto-bid to the Access Bowl.

The merger would benefit both, but an alliance is need more by the MWC than AAC!

AAC has to fight the stigma they aren't CUSA because the eye test shows hey...where did I see all these teams before...oh yeah...CUSA.
Hopefully, its proven in head to head competition.
(Now basketball is a different story...)

I don't view SMU & Houston as CUSA. I view both as SWC. . . More specifically on SMU. I view them in the following order. (1) SWC. (2) WAC which is now the MWC. (3) CUSA.

(06-05-2014 07:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

replace them with unc and ncstate (ecu)

(06-05-2014 07:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2014 12:34 AM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  P5 teams beaten by AAC teams last year:

Arkansas
Purdue
Kentucky
Miami (FL)
Penn State
Baylor

P5 teams beaten by MWC teams last year:

Washington St

Remember, three of those six wins - over Arkansas, Kentucky, and Miami - were delivered by Rutgers and Louisville, who aren't in the AAC anymore.

If that is the case then add 2 back, because ECU beat UNC and NC State. Not only that but take away that loss that the AAC had against the MWC, because that was Rutgers losing in OT to Fresno State at Fresno State.

We have scheduled Boise State in 2019-20. NO OTHER team in the conference really interests me, in terms of gaining a series.

San Diego State, MAYBE, for the trip out. AFA would be good as well. But, the rest of the league? Might as well play the MAC or SBC.

Football- Boise, San Diego St, and Hawaii (one of the few games June Jones can win on the road)

Basketball- UNLV, San Diego St

(06-05-2014 07:58 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  AAC has to fight the stigma they aren't CUSA because the eye test shows hey...where did I see all these teams before...oh yeah...CUSA.
Hopefully, its proven in head to head competition.
(Now basketball is a different story...)

But the MWC was actively pursuing an alliance with C-USA (and vice-versa) and this was a C-USA without Memphis, SMU, Houston and UCF. C-USA pulled out of those negotiations when a few provincial eastern C-USA presidents convinced a few gullible/foolish/fearful C-USA presidents to morph into the sunbelt rather than do an alliance.
Point being, given that C-USA, at worst, was on an equal footing with the MWC in pursuit of an alliance, where would that leave the AAC in such an endeavor?

I'm cool doing a playoff game with the mwc for the access spot. Just eliminate sunbelt and c-usa from the access.

No desire to have an official agreement with the MWC. It really does benefit them more than it does us. And if we want to differentiate ourselves from the G5 pack, we need to prove we can beat P5 teams instead.

If we do a hoop challenge in the future, it should only be against a P5 or the Big East. Playing the MWC or A10 does nothing to improve our perception and could potentially hurt it.

(06-05-2014 10:23 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  If we do a hoop challenge in the future, it should only be against a P5 or the Big East. Playing the MWC or A10 does nothing to improve our perception and could potentially hurt it.

Agreed.

Looks like the overwhelming majority of AAC fans are vehemently against this alliance.

/thread

In its first year, the AAC has bested the MWC in every sport that matters. There may be a benefit in an alliance to the MWC, but there is none for the AAC.

The MWC fans are always looking for one or more schools from the outside to improve the standing of MWC teams. Build your own. That is what the AAC schools are doing.