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Who has the football talent in 2014
Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.
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While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to contend, for sure.
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(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.
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(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.
Because I go by recruiting and only recruiting, and because ASU had and still has the best overall talent in the SBC, I did not expect ASU to lose to any SBC team last year, and did not expect them to lose to Memphis. That they did is probably why those who are close to their program were not upset their HC jumped ship.

Not shocked that they did lose a game, because it does take some time to adjust to a new coaching staff, but that is what makes this fun.

They still have the best overall talent in the SBC, but ULL has key players returning and ASU is very unsettled in the interior DL, and needs some depth at RB. Still have the talent to beat, and maybe should beat any SBC team. Just have to see howl long they take to jell.

Looking down the road this staff they have now may be the best recruiters, especially Trooper Taylor.

Their 'goal now is to be the best G5 team, not the next Boise. I go along them as long as they can show they are capable, and I think they are showing that capable of both. 2-3 other SBC teams also appear capable, so it should be interesting.
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(05-20-2014 08:38 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.

Seminole Indian - “Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product.”
Why play the game then? How well you do on the field is the what matters.

Georgia Sothern’s motto during the 80’s was – Out weighed, but never out played. I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.
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(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
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(05-20-2014 09:09 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:38 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.

Seminole Indian - “Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product.”
Why play the game then? How well you do on the field is the what matters.

Georgia Sothern’s motto during the 80’s was – Out weighed, but never out played. I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.

Probably means you are going to be very unhappy at the FBS level. GaSo and AppSt show every sign that they can recruit very well.
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(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.

I feel the same way. As is often the case, it'll come down to which new QB does best.
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(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
I would not leave ASU out of the mix, because the last three staffs, and this one were brought in to make sure ASU had fire power on that side of the ball. They seem to be good at what they do, and have excellent talent to work with.

On defense it comes down to the DL because they very well may have the best back seven of any G5 team.

Special teams should be good if they have a punter, which they should.
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(05-20-2014 09:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:09 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:38 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.

Seminole Indian - “Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product.”
Why play the game then? How well you do on the field is the what matters.

Georgia Sothern’s motto during the 80’s was – Out weighed, but never out played. I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.

Probably means you are going to be very unhappy at the FBS level. GaSo and AppSt show every sign that they can recruit very well.

It's not that I don't believe GSU or APP cant recruit or will not be able to recruit at the FBS level, but "superior coaching" does a lot to offset the potential of so stated superior athletes.
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(05-20-2014 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
I would not leave ASU out of the mix, because the last three staffs, and this one were brought in to make sure ASU had fire power on that side of the ball. They seem to be good at what they do.

On defense it comes down to the DL because they very well may have the best back seven of any G5 team.


Did 247 tell you that as well? Lots of moving parts in 2 and 3 star players.Fit,chemistry and coachability are just some intangibles that make programs get 4 star benefits from these kids.

Who does that best will win the conference vs some predestined formula by sock footed internet evaluators pandering for subscribers.
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(05-20-2014 09:53 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:49 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  While I agree for the most part and like the idea of troy being that high, a lot of recruiting isn't covered by 247 or any of the services. Many top SBC playmakers are BCS/AQ/P5 transfers. Dowling from WKU as an example.

Also, as much as I agree with this thread (and it hurts because Troy's last two non-juco classes haven't been that good) I seem to remember you saying Arkansas State was the next Boise last year, and that no one in the SBC had the talent to step to Arkansas State. When clearly, two teams did, and one or two others came close to knocking off the red wolves. I see shades of the "we are the best ever" developing again here.

I think Arkansas State will be down this year. Not much, maybe 2nd 3rd or 4th place finish. Enough talent to content, for sure.

I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
I would not leave ASU out of the mix, because the last three staffs, and this one were brought in to make sure ASU had fire power on that side of the ball. They seem to be good at what they do.

On defense it comes down to the DL because they very well may have the best back seven of any G5 team.


Did 247 tell you that as well? Lots of moving parts in 2 and 3 star players.Fit,chemistry and coachability are just some intangibles that make programs get 4 star benefits from these kids.

Who does that best will win the conference vs some predestined formula by sock footed internet evaluators pandering for subscribers.

Hear, Hear!04-bow
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(05-20-2014 09:57 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:53 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  I agree with both points, that the recruiting classes are important but that transfers play a big role.
For example, USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.Those guys will not show up in USA's class rankings but they will have an impact on how the Jags do this year.

Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
I would not leave ASU out of the mix, because the last three staffs, and this one were brought in to make sure ASU had fire power on that side of the ball. They seem to be good at what they do.

On defense it comes down to the DL because they very well may have the best back seven of any G5 team.


Did 247 tell you that as well? Lots of moving parts in 2 and 3 star players.Fit,chemistry and coachability are just some intangibles that make programs get 4 star benefits from these kids.

Who does that best will win the conference vs some predestined formula by sock footed internet evaluators pandering for subscribers.

Hear, Hear!04-bow
I hear you, spent the better part of a decade arguing with ASU fans during the Roberts era, about this same subject.

Does not come up to often now because once they started signing classes that these stupid services rank near the top of the SBC, they started winning.

As far as coaching, ASU decided to do what ever it takes to make sure they have the best coaches in the SBC. I think they have done so and still are, and it would show up even more if bigger program's did not agree with me.
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(05-20-2014 08:38 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.

The problem I have with using recruiting for forecasting is that it doesn't work very well at our level. There are to many diamonds in the rough and you never truly know how these players are going to turn out.

Also some players get penalized for committing early on in the recruiting process. Our QB, Tyler Jones, is a perfect example of that. Threw for 4,000 yards and ran for another 1,000+ in his senior season, also declared 3A MVP and got a measly 2* ranking for all that trouble. Yet I wouldn't trade him for any of the 4 and 5* QBs at UT just down the road (since you're a longhorn fan).
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(05-20-2014 09:07 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  USA has three wide receivers and offensive lineman who were former players at Alabama.

I read on the UAB board (of all places) that you have an NFL-Caliber Tight End, as well a JUCO-All American Tight End. I would think there's less than handful of teams in the country that have a better starting line-up at WR/TE than USA right now.
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(05-20-2014 10:15 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 08:38 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Because I consider recruiting the real game, and what happens on the field simply a by product thought I would use the last five years of recruiting rankings by 24/7 to get a feel of how the teams stack up based on how their classes have ranked in the SBC.

I used 24/7 because they use a composite rating of Scout, Rivals, ESPN and 24/7 (and actually replied to my emails when I had questions), and used 5 years because most rosters consist of players recruited over the previous 5 years.

Using the average rankings of each schools class for five years we get:
ASU-3.0
UL-3.4
Troy-4.6
TxSt-5.0
Idaho-5.2
USA-5.8
NMSU- 5.8
GaSo-7.25
ULM-7.4
AppSt-7.6
GaSt-9.2

Don't be shocked if the final results are not far off.

The problem I have with using recruiting for forecasting is that it doesn't work very well at our level. There are to many diamonds in the rough and you never truly know how these players are going to turn out.

Also some players get penalized for committing early on in the recruiting process. Our QB, Tyler Jones, is a perfect example of that. Threw for 4,000 yards and ran for another 1,000+ in his senior season, also declared 3A MVP and got a measly 2* ranking for all that trouble. Yet I wouldn't trade him for any of the 4 and 5* QBs at UT just down the road (since you're a longhorn fan).
No problem, but they are getting better.

ASU's likely starter at QB (who I think was MVP of the Godaddy.com bowl)was a 2 star despite phenomenal success in HC (he was a Parade All American), their 2nd team also 2-star (only played QB one year in HS and was a recruited as a receiver by SEC schools) and , ASU's 3rd team QB , was basically a no star despite putting up impressive numbers and holding PAC 10 offers. Why? He was a backup behind the #2 rated QB in the country, until his senior year, and stars are assigned before a players Sr year.

A projected starter in their OL was rated a 2-star by most services ( 24/7 gave him the base 70 rating until I told them that he had started as a true in the SEC at South Carolina. They still would not rank him very high).

Again overall these services give you a good overview of how schools compare as far as talent, then you have to dig out the details.

Those details, along with high ranked SBC recruits, are why ULL is everyone's favorite to win the SBC. It is also why an ASU team, that has won or shared the last three SBC Championships and has a lot of it's 2-deep returning, is up there with them.

I do expect Idaho and NMSU to be better than many think.
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(05-20-2014 10:15 AM)TStatebobcat Wrote:  The problem I have with using recruiting for forecasting is that it doesn't work very well at our level. There are to many diamonds in the rough and you never truly know how these players are going to turn out.

Also some players get penalized for committing early on in the recruiting process. Our QB, Tyler Jones, is a perfect example of that. Threw for 4,000 yards and ran for another 1,000+ in his senior season, also declared 3A MVP and got a measly 2* ranking for all that trouble.

We just signed a kid a few weeks ago that played defense all the way through 11th grade. 12th grade he switched to Wide Receiver. No college teams had film on the kid. It didn't exist until after the recruiting phase was over. Well, as it turns out, he played in Georgia's highest classification, 6A football. That's a big deal. He lead all of 6A football in both yards (1,137) and catches (80). I doubt he was/is listed on any of the recruiting site as a top shelf athelete. But when you lead an entire state like Georgia in the highest division, I'd think you're entitled to a 4 or 5 star rating. I'm hoping he can play right away.
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Well just wanted to give you guys something to talk about other than realignment, or additions to the conference.

Football season will be here before you know it and reality will again set in.

Don't be shocked if the fans of teams that have the better ranked talent enjoy the coming season more, than those that don't. Those that don't can again look forward to the off season to have their fun.
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(05-20-2014 09:09 AM)GSUsTALON Wrote:   I’d rather have “superior coaching” and average talent than rest all my hopes on a ranking system of an athletes “possible” potential.

You are going to have to recruit at the FBS level. You can't rely on getting the avg. talent and just plug them in where you think they fit best. That doesn't work at any IA conference.

If you can't recruit, then you don't win in FBS, its that simple. Just ask Idaho or NMSU.
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(05-20-2014 10:04 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(05-20-2014 09:53 AM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:23 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-20-2014 09:12 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Look forward to seeing your offense in every game but one. Should be a good one. When Phil Steele comes out I believe he'll have USA and Troy's WRs at #1 and #2 in the SBC. Our offensive lines should be in similar positions. In fact most of our offense looks pretty similar. I believe Troy, USA, and Louisiana will have the best offenses in the SBC this year.
I would not leave ASU out of the mix, because the last three staffs, and this one were brought in to make sure ASU had fire power on that side of the ball. They seem to be good at what they do.

On defense it comes down to the DL because they very well may have the best back seven of any G5 team.


Did 247 tell you that as well? Lots of moving parts in 2 and 3 star players.Fit,chemistry and coachability are just some intangibles that make programs get 4 star benefits from these kids.

Who does that best will win the conference vs some predestined formula by sock footed internet evaluators pandering for subscribers.

Hear, Hear!04-bow
I hear you, spent the better part of a decade arguing with ASU fans during the Roberts era, about this same subject.

Does not come up to often now because once they started signing classes that these stupid services rank near the top of the SBC, they started winning.

As far as coaching, ASU decided to do what ever it takes to make sure they have the best coaches in the SBC. I think they have done so and still are, and it would show up even more if bigger program's did not agree with me.

I hear you as well,but understand that a lot of these services are way behind in the evaluation process of the 2/3 star players.Most of the ratings are reactionary to interest/offers from other schools (with emphasis on which school)

Additionally some coaches contracts are tied to recruiting rankings so some staffs work extremely hard to get their commits the highest rankings for selfish reasons.I've heard more than one evaluator (who never played a down of football btw) boast of phone calls from D1 coaches.

4/5 stars do not bring much debate but the world that most G5 programs live in (2/3 stars) can be very murky.

To say the rankings are the truth and the game is just a manifestation of that truth is just too simplified.

I think if a G5 school legitimately takes 1 P5 recruit a year that program is recruiting on a high plane.I'm talking legitimate offers not phantom offers that kid's tweet or some sites list due to errant info.

Some fan bases truly believe that every year their G5 school are taking 4 P5 offered kids,just not true.

The system is flawed and often retro-fitted to fit agendas for certain schools and fan bases......just know that.

Talent is paramount,I just put stock what coaches think during evaluation and probally weight a kids offer list more than internet service eval.

ASU is getting better recruits due the administrative efforts from top/bottom and not because of reading 247 cue cards...04-cheers
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