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stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Was just asked about it by media here. Says he and other AD's see no reason to play title game unless there is a huge financial windfall.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Well I guess this probably puts an end to the possibility of NMSU being added in all sports, at least for this year.

It also shows that the ADs/Presidents are running the show, not Commissioner Benson who has pushed hard for a 12th team and a championship game.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Troy Schulte ‏@TroySchulteADG · 16m
Mohajir: "Unless there's a huge financial windfall, I don't seed what the purpose of having a game just to have a game."


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Troy Schulte ‏@TroySchulteADG · 17m
Mohajir also stood firm on his stance against a champ. game for football, citing losses by Ohio State and Northern Illinois in 2013.


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Troy Schulte ‏@TroySchulteADG · 18m
Mohajir doesn't expect #SunBelt to add a 12th member this year: "I think we're going to hold probably tight with where we are right now."


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Troy Schulte ‏@TroySchulteADG · 18m
While waiting, I'll pass along some comments from #ArkSt's Terry Mohajir from the caravan in NLR.


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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 06:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Was just asked about it by media here. Says he and other AD's see no reason to play title game unless there is a huge financial windfall.

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FINALLY 04-cheers
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 06:26 PM)HCJag Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:02 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Was just asked about it by media here. Says he and other AD's see no reason to play title game unless there is a huge financial windfall.

04-cheers

Yea, how much money is a CCG going to bring in for the 11 teams not hosting the game?
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 06:34 PM)RoyK Wrote:  
FINALLY 04-cheers

Sounds like a guy afraid of competition.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Very short sighted. Really? He's referencing Ohio St and NIU as reasons for NOT having a Championship game. That's the bold thinking of great leaders.....or not.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
I suppose the SBC can try a year with 11 in the new CFP system and see how it goes.

Until they land that 12 every year its going to be a pressing issue. From the UMass perspective the longer the SBC waits the more uncertainty there is of getting a spot.

Next spring all options will be back on the table again and who knows there could be a little realignment going on by the time next spring rolls around.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
This is what I expected --- staying at 11. But it does seem a bit odd that in March when SBC leaders met at the basketball tourney our AD returned saying that the conference had voted to expand to 12.

Now we don't seem to want 12 or a championship game.

What I conclude here is that the prospective candidates (which appear to be Liberty and UMass at this point) are simply not very enticing to the membership. So instead of saying we don't have a good candidate it is easier to say that we don't think it is very lucrative to have a championship game.
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"I think" "probably" nothing to see here. Posturing. 1vote.

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(05-15-2014 06:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  This is what I expected --- staying at 11. But it does seem a bit odd that in March when SBC leaders met at the basketball tourney our AD returned saying that the conference had voted to expand to 12.

Now we don't seem to want 12 or a championship game.

What I conclude here is that the prospective candidates (which appear to be Liberty and UMass at this point) are simply not very enticing to the membership. So instead of saying we don't have a good candidate it is easier to say that we don't think it is very lucrative to have a championship game.

Read the comments closely. This is one AD saying he is afraid of competition and doesn't want another home game during a good season because he is afraid of an upset. I'm so glad that A-State speaks for the entire league and has declared the search over... And that the conference has no interest in a championship game even if we can have one with 11 schools.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
If Ark. St.'s AD thinking is representative of the conference as a whole it would seem instead of going to 12 we may, after Idaho's 4 years run out, excuse them and play with a 10 team conference.

Maybe that is what is being thought.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 06:57 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  This is what I expected --- staying at 11. But it does seem a bit odd that in March when SBC leaders met at the basketball tourney our AD returned saying that the conference had voted to expand to 12.

Now we don't seem to want 12 or a championship game.

What I conclude here is that the prospective candidates (which appear to be Liberty and UMass at this point) are simply not very enticing to the membership. So instead of saying we don't have a good candidate it is easier to say that we don't think it is very lucrative to have a championship game.

Read the comments closely. This is one AD saying he is afraid of competition and doesn't want another home game during a good season because he is afraid of an upset. I'm so glad that A-State speaks for the entire league and has declared the search over... And that the conference has no interest in a championship game even if we can have one with 11 schools.

A CCG has cost CUSA and the MAC a BCS bowl game before. Unless there is money gained from a CCG then why have one?
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 07:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:57 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  This is what I expected --- staying at 11. But it does seem a bit odd that in March when SBC leaders met at the basketball tourney our AD returned saying that the conference had voted to expand to 12.

Now we don't seem to want 12 or a championship game.

What I conclude here is that the prospective candidates (which appear to be Liberty and UMass at this point) are simply not very enticing to the membership. So instead of saying we don't have a good candidate it is easier to say that we don't think it is very lucrative to have a championship game.

Read the comments closely. This is one AD saying he is afraid of competition and doesn't want another home game during a good season because he is afraid of an upset. I'm so glad that A-State speaks for the entire league and has declared the search over... And that the conference has no interest in a championship game even if we can have one with 11 schools.

A CCG has cost CUSA and the MAC a BCS bowl game before. Unless there is money gained from a CCG then why have one?

Wow. Just wow. If that is the way the SBC thinks I'm glad JMU took a pass. Those teams wouldn't have gone BCS Bowling without of CCG. The fact they lost speaks more about the actual quality of the MAC and CUSA teams than anything else.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Why is the term "scared" being introduced to this conversation? Everyone knows that G5 schools are undermanned and must have some timely scheduling and good fortune to break into the top 25 or better yet - get into the playoff.

It is just about risk/reward and economics. Why play an extra game against your own league that could ruin a special season? The risk is not worth the reward. You think a Sun Belt Conference Championship game will sell out a 30K neutral field stadium in early December?

Fear hasn't got a damn thing to do with this. It is about managing probabilities and perceptions.
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Nobody is scared. The main point is there isn't a team the conference can agree to add. They think adding the right team is better then just any team to get to 12.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
Funny, the ones bitching the most calling the lack of an SBC CCG shortsighted are the ones outside looking in.

Maybe now the Liberty people will finally realize what some of us who have connections to those in the know weren't telling stories just to dig at their school, but rather they have serious perception issues.

The SBC will expand when and only if the school is both a good fit and brings something of value. There are few choices that all conference schools can agree on that are left. The SBC is not in imminent danger like the WAC was and are playing their cards in a strategic way.

The financials of a CCG just don't make the addition worth it. It won't allow the TV contract to be renegotiated, its revenue will be neutral at best in every scenario but the most optimistic, likely won't bring in any other revenue and has cost several schools (and all schools within the conference) a BCS bid and the millions that come with it.

It is the best football move. The eastern schools aren't 100% on board with NMSU (my understanding is there isn't dire opposition, just not enough support), which would benefit the other sports. So 11 it is. The SBC is a damn fine, all-around non-P5 conference and really doesn't need to make a move that doesn't bring value.
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
(05-15-2014 07:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:57 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(05-15-2014 06:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  This is what I expected --- staying at 11. But it does seem a bit odd that in March when SBC leaders met at the basketball tourney our AD returned saying that the conference had voted to expand to 12.

Now we don't seem to want 12 or a championship game.

What I conclude here is that the prospective candidates (which appear to be Liberty and UMass at this point) are simply not very enticing to the membership. So instead of saying we don't have a good candidate it is easier to say that we don't think it is very lucrative to have a championship game.

Read the comments closely. This is one AD saying he is afraid of competition and doesn't want another home game during a good season because he is afraid of an upset. I'm so glad that A-State speaks for the entire league and has declared the search over... And that the conference has no interest in a championship game even if we can have one with 11 schools.

A CCG has cost CUSA and the MAC a BCS bowl game before. Unless there is money gained from a CCG then why have one?

No SBC school has ever won more than 10 games in a football season so is it a moot point?
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RE: stAte AD says SBC Will stick at 11 football teams for now.
So every other Conference that has a Championship Game is wrong, because it's another game that their best team could lose. Why have CCG at all? That's the backward thinking I'm talking about. Fear? Possibly. Lame excuse? Absolutely. If the SBC isn't about competing both JMU and LU will be glad to not be associated with them
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