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(05-02-2014 09:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I had a running dialogue with the Cajun first base coach about this today. You guys get all the breaks. We have Razorback fans who openly admit they hate ASU calling our games and no one does a thing about it.

We've made our breaks all year long, just like tonight.
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(05-02-2014 09:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I had a running dialogue with the Cajun first base coach about this today. You guys get all the breaks. We have Razorback fans who openly admit they hate ASU calling our games and no one does a thing about it.

Thank Benson for allowing that. He is not overly fond of you guys or the Cajuns. We just had it all on video. Hard to dispute that.
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(05-02-2014 10:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 09:27 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 07:12 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 06:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Im surprised he was even suspended he had a right to be in the umps face and the contact didn't sound intentional. Is it a mandatory thing?

Incidental contact or not, automatic suspension. Two games per incident.

Actually, the suspension is mandatory 4 games for any type of contact, incidental or not, with no appeal option.

Actually, the suspension is a mandatory 2 games for any type of contact, incidental or not. Hudson claimed Robichaux bumped him twice, 2+2= 4 games!

Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


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(05-02-2014 10:24 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 09:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I had a running dialogue with the Cajun first base coach about this today. You guys get all the breaks. We have Razorback fans who openly admit they hate ASU calling our games and no one does a thing about it.

Thank Benson for allowing that. He is not overly fond of you guys or the Cajuns. We just had it all on video. Hard to dispute that.

We know...We know.

If that play had happened against WKU, Benson would have suspended Robicheaux for an extra 10 games and given the home plate umpire an award for services to the league.
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(05-02-2014 10:29 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 09:27 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 07:12 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 06:20 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Im surprised he was even suspended he had a right to be in the umps face and the contact didn't sound intentional. Is it a mandatory thing?

Incidental contact or not, automatic suspension. Two games per incident.

Actually, the suspension is mandatory 4 games for any type of contact, incidental or not, with no appeal option.

Actually, the suspension is a mandatory 2 games for any type of contact, incidental or not. Hudson claimed Robichaux bumped him twice, 2+2= 4 games!

Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


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I was going off Tim Buckley's tweet below. Found a link to the rules and posted below.

Tim Buckley (@TDARaginCajuns) tweeted at 9:12 PM on Sun, Apr 27, 2014:
Sun Belt rep on UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux's 4-game suspension for allegedly twice bumping ump: No appeal process; NCAA rule, not SBC.


NCAA Baseball Rules Book 2013-2014 Season

b. Physical Abuse of Game Officials or Umpires—Any threat of physical
intimidation or harm to include pushing, shoving, contact, kicking dirt on an
umpire, spitting, spraying, throwing at or attempting to make physical contact.
Exception—For a violent attack (punching or kicking) of an umpire, game
official or any opposing coach, the offending individual shall be suspended
for the team's next five contests, even if it is the individual's first offense.
PENALTY for a. and b.—If a player, coach or team representative is ejected
from a contest because of physically abusing an umpire or
fighting an opposing player, the following shall be enforced:
(1) For the first offense by an individual, ejection plus
suspension from the team's next four contests.
(2) For a second offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection plus suspension from the team's next five contests.
(3) For a third offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection and suspension for the remainder of the season,
including postseason competition.
(4) Procedures for enforcing penalties are as follows:
(a) After an ejection and suspension, the offending individual
must leave the field and dugout area immediately and is
not allowed to communicate with team members or the
umpires.
(b) Suspended personnel shall not be in uniform, allowed in
any team area or perform any team duty while serving
their suspensions.
54 RULE 5 / The Game — Its Beginning and Ending
© It is the responsibility of the institution's head coach
and director of athletics to administer and enforce the
suspension penalty. If a suspended player or coach
is found to have participated in a game during the
prescribed suspension, the game will be forfeited by the
offending team.
(d) When a penalty occurs during the team's last game of
the season, the penalty will be assessed at the beginning
of the next official NCAA spring season.
(e) An umpire has jurisdiction to impose penalties for
fighting from the beginning of the game until the
umpires have left the playing area (stadium) after the
final game of the day.
(f) The ejecting umpire must file a suspension-report form
with the secretary-rules editor, the offending team's
athletics director and a conference administrator, if
applicable.
(g) Conferences and institutions may choose to implement
additional penalties for fighting or physical abuse.
(h) Suspended game personnel shall serve the suspension
penalties immediately. There shall be no appeal of the
penalty.



http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...on%20Guide.pdf
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RE: Umpire Crew Suspended
(05-02-2014 09:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I had a running dialogue with the Cajun first base coach about this today. You guys get all the breaks. We have Razorback fans who openly admit they hate ASU calling our games and no one does a thing about it.

I know you didn't just type that. Reread, and correct your error.

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(05-02-2014 11:49 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:29 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 09:27 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 07:12 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Incidental contact or not, automatic suspension. Two games per incident.

Actually, the suspension is mandatory 4 games for any type of contact, incidental or not, with no appeal option.

Actually, the suspension is a mandatory 2 games for any type of contact, incidental or not. Hudson claimed Robichaux bumped him twice, 2+2= 4 games!

Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


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I was going off Tim Buckley's tweet below. Found a link to the rules and posted below.

Tim Buckley (@TDARaginCajuns) tweeted at 9:12 PM on Sun, Apr 27, 2014:
Sun Belt rep on UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux's 4-game suspension for allegedly twice bumping ump: No appeal process; NCAA rule, not SBC.


NCAA Baseball Rules Book 2013-2014 Season

b. Physical Abuse of Game Officials or Umpires—Any threat of physical
intimidation or harm to include pushing, shoving, contact, kicking dirt on an
umpire, spitting, spraying, throwing at or attempting to make physical contact.
Exception—For a violent attack (punching or kicking) of an umpire, game
official or any opposing coach, the offending individual shall be suspended
for the team's next five contests, even if it is the individual's first offense.
PENALTY for a. and b.—If a player, coach or team representative is ejected
from a contest because of physically abusing an umpire or
fighting an opposing player, the following shall be enforced:
(1) For the first offense by an individual, ejection plus
suspension from the team's next four contests.
(2) For a second offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection plus suspension from the team's next five contests.
(3) For a third offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection and suspension for the remainder of the season,
including postseason competition.
(4) Procedures for enforcing penalties are as follows:
(a) After an ejection and suspension, the offending individual
must leave the field and dugout area immediately and is
not allowed to communicate with team members or the
umpires.
(b) Suspended personnel shall not be in uniform, allowed in
any team area or perform any team duty while serving
their suspensions.
54 RULE 5 / The Game — Its Beginning and Ending
© It is the responsibility of the institution's head coach
and director of athletics to administer and enforce the
suspension penalty. If a suspended player or coach
is found to have participated in a game during the
prescribed suspension, the game will be forfeited by the
offending team.
(d) When a penalty occurs during the team's last game of
the season, the penalty will be assessed at the beginning
of the next official NCAA spring season.
(e) An umpire has jurisdiction to impose penalties for
fighting from the beginning of the game until the
umpires have left the playing area (stadium) after the
final game of the day.
(f) The ejecting umpire must file a suspension-report form
with the secretary-rules editor, the offending team's
athletics director and a conference administrator, if
applicable.
(g) Conferences and institutions may choose to implement
additional penalties for fighting or physical abuse.
(h) Suspended game personnel shall serve the suspension
penalties immediately. There shall be no appeal of the
penalty.



http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...on%20Guide.pdf

Don't go off of Buckley's tweet. Not reliable at all. The rules you posted spell the penalty out pretty clearly. 4 games for any contact.
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(05-03-2014 06:37 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 11:49 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:29 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 09:27 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  Actually, the suspension is mandatory 4 games for any type of contact, incidental or not, with no appeal option.

Actually, the suspension is a mandatory 2 games for any type of contact, incidental or not. Hudson claimed Robichaux bumped him twice, 2+2= 4 games!

Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I was going off Tim Buckley's tweet below. Found a link to the rules and posted below.

Tim Buckley (@TDARaginCajuns) tweeted at 9:12 PM on Sun, Apr 27, 2014:
Sun Belt rep on UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux's 4-game suspension for allegedly twice bumping ump: No appeal process; NCAA rule, not SBC.


NCAA Baseball Rules Book 2013-2014 Season

b. Physical Abuse of Game Officials or Umpires—Any threat of physical
intimidation or harm to include pushing, shoving, contact, kicking dirt on an
umpire, spitting, spraying, throwing at or attempting to make physical contact.
Exception—For a violent attack (punching or kicking) of an umpire, game
official or any opposing coach, the offending individual shall be suspended
for the team's next five contests, even if it is the individual's first offense.
PENALTY for a. and b.—If a player, coach or team representative is ejected
from a contest because of physically abusing an umpire or
fighting an opposing player, the following shall be enforced:
(1) For the first offense by an individual, ejection plus
suspension from the team's next four contests.
(2) For a second offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection plus suspension from the team's next five contests.
(3) For a third offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection and suspension for the remainder of the season,
including postseason competition.
(4) Procedures for enforcing penalties are as follows:
(a) After an ejection and suspension, the offending individual
must leave the field and dugout area immediately and is
not allowed to communicate with team members or the
umpires.
(b) Suspended personnel shall not be in uniform, allowed in
any team area or perform any team duty while serving
their suspensions.
54 RULE 5 / The Game — Its Beginning and Ending
© It is the responsibility of the institution's head coach
and director of athletics to administer and enforce the
suspension penalty. If a suspended player or coach
is found to have participated in a game during the
prescribed suspension, the game will be forfeited by the
offending team.
(d) When a penalty occurs during the team's last game of
the season, the penalty will be assessed at the beginning
of the next official NCAA spring season.
(e) An umpire has jurisdiction to impose penalties for
fighting from the beginning of the game until the
umpires have left the playing area (stadium) after the
final game of the day.
(f) The ejecting umpire must file a suspension-report form
with the secretary-rules editor, the offending team's
athletics director and a conference administrator, if
applicable.
(g) Conferences and institutions may choose to implement
additional penalties for fighting or physical abuse.
(h) Suspended game personnel shall serve the suspension
penalties immediately. There shall be no appeal of the
penalty.



http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...on%20Guide.pdf

Don't go off of Buckley's tweet. Not reliable at all. The rules you posted spell the penalty out pretty clearly. 4 games for any contact.

I haven't looked at buckley's tweets prior to and immediately after this one that was referenced but I don't see anywhere where he stated directly, at least in that tweet, that it was a two game per bump suspension. He stated a four game suspension for an alleged two bumps which logically makes it seem that it could be two per bump. Putting the rule next to the info lets you know otherwise. I don't think Buckley is non reliable, i think he is just guilty of poor wording/ phrasing.
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(05-03-2014 07:04 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  
(05-03-2014 06:37 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 11:49 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:29 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:19 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  Actually, the suspension is a mandatory 2 games for any type of contact, incidental or not. Hudson claimed Robichaux bumped him twice, 2+2= 4 games!

Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I was going off Tim Buckley's tweet below. Found a link to the rules and posted below.

Tim Buckley (@TDARaginCajuns) tweeted at 9:12 PM on Sun, Apr 27, 2014:
Sun Belt rep on UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux's 4-game suspension for allegedly twice bumping ump: No appeal process; NCAA rule, not SBC.


NCAA Baseball Rules Book 2013-2014 Season

b. Physical Abuse of Game Officials or Umpires—Any threat of physical
intimidation or harm to include pushing, shoving, contact, kicking dirt on an
umpire, spitting, spraying, throwing at or attempting to make physical contact.
Exception—For a violent attack (punching or kicking) of an umpire, game
official or any opposing coach, the offending individual shall be suspended
for the team's next five contests, even if it is the individual's first offense.
PENALTY for a. and b.—If a player, coach or team representative is ejected
from a contest because of physically abusing an umpire or
fighting an opposing player, the following shall be enforced:
(1) For the first offense by an individual, ejection plus
suspension from the team's next four contests.
(2) For a second offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection plus suspension from the team's next five contests.
(3) For a third offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection and suspension for the remainder of the season,
including postseason competition.
(4) Procedures for enforcing penalties are as follows:
(a) After an ejection and suspension, the offending individual
must leave the field and dugout area immediately and is
not allowed to communicate with team members or the
umpires.
(b) Suspended personnel shall not be in uniform, allowed in
any team area or perform any team duty while serving
their suspensions.
54 RULE 5 / The Game — Its Beginning and Ending
© It is the responsibility of the institution's head coach
and director of athletics to administer and enforce the
suspension penalty. If a suspended player or coach
is found to have participated in a game during the
prescribed suspension, the game will be forfeited by the
offending team.
(d) When a penalty occurs during the team's last game of
the season, the penalty will be assessed at the beginning
of the next official NCAA spring season.
(e) An umpire has jurisdiction to impose penalties for
fighting from the beginning of the game until the
umpires have left the playing area (stadium) after the
final game of the day.
(f) The ejecting umpire must file a suspension-report form
with the secretary-rules editor, the offending team's
athletics director and a conference administrator, if
applicable.
(g) Conferences and institutions may choose to implement
additional penalties for fighting or physical abuse.
(h) Suspended game personnel shall serve the suspension
penalties immediately. There shall be no appeal of the
penalty.



http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...on%20Guide.pdf

Don't go off of Buckley's tweet. Not reliable at all. The rules you posted spell the penalty out pretty clearly. 4 games for any contact.

I haven't looked at buckley's tweets prior to and immediately after this one that was referenced but I don't see anywhere where he stated directly, at least in that tweet, that it was a two game per bump suspension. He stated a four game suspension for an alleged two bumps which logically makes it seem that it could be two per bump. Putting the rule next to the info lets you know otherwise. I don't think Buckley is non reliable, i think he is just guilty of poor wording/ phrasing.

Quit trying to polish a turd here. Buckley posted a misleading tweet. Not the first time he's done it and it won't be the last. You need to learn to get the facts yourself and not from some Daily Advertiser hack who chooses not to cover UL's most historically successful sport.
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(05-04-2014 08:13 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-03-2014 07:04 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  
(05-03-2014 06:37 PM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 11:49 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 10:29 PM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  Not true. The rule is an automatic 4 game suspension for incidental contact.


Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I was going off Tim Buckley's tweet below. Found a link to the rules and posted below.

Tim Buckley (@TDARaginCajuns) tweeted at 9:12 PM on Sun, Apr 27, 2014:
Sun Belt rep on UL baseball coach Tony Robichaux's 4-game suspension for allegedly twice bumping ump: No appeal process; NCAA rule, not SBC.


NCAA Baseball Rules Book 2013-2014 Season

b. Physical Abuse of Game Officials or Umpires—Any threat of physical
intimidation or harm to include pushing, shoving, contact, kicking dirt on an
umpire, spitting, spraying, throwing at or attempting to make physical contact.
Exception—For a violent attack (punching or kicking) of an umpire, game
official or any opposing coach, the offending individual shall be suspended
for the team's next five contests, even if it is the individual's first offense.
PENALTY for a. and b.—If a player, coach or team representative is ejected
from a contest because of physically abusing an umpire or
fighting an opposing player, the following shall be enforced:
(1) For the first offense by an individual, ejection plus
suspension from the team's next four contests.
(2) For a second offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection plus suspension from the team's next five contests.
(3) For a third offense by an individual in the same season,
ejection and suspension for the remainder of the season,
including postseason competition.
(4) Procedures for enforcing penalties are as follows:
(a) After an ejection and suspension, the offending individual
must leave the field and dugout area immediately and is
not allowed to communicate with team members or the
umpires.
(b) Suspended personnel shall not be in uniform, allowed in
any team area or perform any team duty while serving
their suspensions.
54 RULE 5 / The Game — Its Beginning and Ending
© It is the responsibility of the institution's head coach
and director of athletics to administer and enforce the
suspension penalty. If a suspended player or coach
is found to have participated in a game during the
prescribed suspension, the game will be forfeited by the
offending team.
(d) When a penalty occurs during the team's last game of
the season, the penalty will be assessed at the beginning
of the next official NCAA spring season.
(e) An umpire has jurisdiction to impose penalties for
fighting from the beginning of the game until the
umpires have left the playing area (stadium) after the
final game of the day.
(f) The ejecting umpire must file a suspension-report form
with the secretary-rules editor, the offending team's
athletics director and a conference administrator, if
applicable.
(g) Conferences and institutions may choose to implement
additional penalties for fighting or physical abuse.
(h) Suspended game personnel shall serve the suspension
penalties immediately. There shall be no appeal of the
penalty.



http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...on%20Guide.pdf

Don't go off of Buckley's tweet. Not reliable at all. The rules you posted spell the penalty out pretty clearly. 4 games for any contact.

I haven't looked at buckley's tweets prior to and immediately after this one that was referenced but I don't see anywhere where he stated directly, at least in that tweet, that it was a two game per bump suspension. He stated a four game suspension for an alleged two bumps which logically makes it seem that it could be two per bump. Putting the rule next to the info lets you know otherwise. I don't think Buckley is non reliable, i think he is just guilty of poor wording/ phrasing.

Quit trying to polish a turd here. Buckley posted a misleading tweet. Not the first time he's done it and it won't be the last. You need to learn to get the facts yourself and not from some Daily Advertiser hack who chooses not to cover UL's most historically successful sport.

Jay also was reporting on Sunday that the two bumps meant a 4 game suspension. Once it was clarified after the weekend, everyone then began mentioning that the incidental contact was an automatic 4 game suspension.
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