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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
(04-24-2014 12:17 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am with your Rev but back in March the Sun Belt apparently voted to expand to 12 football playing teams by June 1. That came straight from our AD. I have to believe in March the conference leaders knew about the proposal to allow championship games with less than 12 teams, and they still voted to add a 12th.

The fact that no one has been added yet can mean several things-- I would guess the most obvious is that after JMU and Missouri St. are off the table that there is not a clear choice on a 12th at this point. 37 more days-- time is ticking. It will be very interesting to see what the conference does.

The timing of the adds the last 2 years doesnt make it encouraging that anyone gets added this year
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
(04-24-2014 11:05 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  I said southeast to southwest, I know some don't consider Missouri southern but I think historically they have seemed more southern then any other geographical region
Missouri is primarily a midwestern, but its a border state and a quarter to a third of the state in the southeast corner is southern.

However, when there is serious discussion of bringing in Liberty, who has never shown the ability to succeed at the FSC level that UMass has, turning down UMass because:
(04-24-2014 10:44 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  Minutemen ranked 123

I know app was ranked 126 and geo south 124 and geo state was also already ranked, but app and geo south get a pass from most people because they are in their FBS transitional.
... is absurd. The formal transitional process in terms of being neither eligible for the FCS championship nor a bowl game may only take two years, but clearly it takes, at a minimum, an entire recruitment to senior class cycle for the development transition to complete.

When crafting reasons that the Sunbelt shouldn't just take the money and run with UMass until a clear candidate emerges in its region, the geographical argument has a lot more weight to it than the competitiveness of the program argument.

(04-24-2014 12:09 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Reason to add UMass: Basketball games for us. Would help raise the profile of the league. (I know they aren't bringing their basketball here, but we could get a few games with them)

Reason not to add UMass: WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER TEAM.
That's up in the air, which is an excellent reason to not add UMass now. Whether or not a 12th team is needed for a CCG has not yet been decided. How much extra money it means for the full-time FB schools in the Sunbelt hinges on whether its required to get a CCG. On a 50/50 split distributed as a travel subsidy, its $125,000 in the year that you go to play in Massachusetts, which ought to be a little extra money, but not much. With a CCG that can be bid for between ESPN, FS1, NBCSN and CBSSN, its probably a bit more than that.

Unlike an FCS call-up, there is June 1 2014 deadline on making the decision for the 2015/16 year, because, after all, UMass is already FBS. So the Sunbelt is not under the same decision deadline as it has been with FCS call-ups. It can make the decision after the CCG decision is made, one way or the other.
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
Steve1981 and EmeryZach, what do UMASS fans have to say about the possiblity of Sun Belt football only? Is it being mentioned much on your boards? Just curious.
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It's kind of quiet. Most fans would support a Sun Belt move.
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
(04-24-2014 12:09 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Reason to add UMass: Basketball games for us. Would help raise the profile of the league. (I know they aren't bringing their basketball here, but we could get a few games with them)

Reason not to add UMass: WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER TEAM.

To me, that is the only argument that is pertinent.

If so I would expect 6 games a year so that if NMSU is added all sports that each member school gets at least 1 home and 1 away game against UMASS over a 4 year period. None of the only 4 games a year where the conference get to pick a choosewho get to play them.
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(04-24-2014 01:20 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Steve1981 and EmeryZach, what do UMASS fans have to say about the possiblity of Sun Belt football only? Is it being mentioned much on your boards? Just curious.

The majority of them obviously would love AAC for All-Sports, but understand that the Sun Belt for Football-Only is necessary if we don't get an invite to the AAC. Going independent for more than a year or two would be almost impossible.

I personally like the Sun Belt just for their fan support alone. Great fans in the Sun Belt. They are much more dedicated to football than MAC fans. Bigger football culture in the Sun Belt.
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
(04-24-2014 02:27 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 01:20 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Steve1981 and EmeryZach, what do UMASS fans have to say about the possiblity of Sun Belt football only? Is it being mentioned much on your boards? Just curious.

The majority of them obviously would love AAC for All-Sports, but understand that the Sun Belt for Football-Only is necessary if we don't get an invite to the AAC. Going independent for more than a year or two would be almost impossible.

I personally like the Sun Belt just for their fan support alone. Great fans in the Sun Belt. They are much more dedicated to football than MAC fans. Bigger football culture in the Sun Belt.
Its a big difference in culture. In the NE and Midwest only the P5 are really followed for football. Used to drive me nuts in the CAA. Their board is either dead or talking basketball this time of year.
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
(04-24-2014 02:27 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 01:20 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Steve1981 and EmeryZach, what do UMASS fans have to say about the possiblity of Sun Belt football only? Is it being mentioned much on your boards? Just curious.

The majority of them obviously would love AAC for All-Sports, but understand that the Sun Belt for Football-Only is necessary if we don't get an invite to the AAC. Going independent for more than a year or two would be almost impossible.

I personally like the Sun Belt just for their fan support alone. Great fans in the Sun Belt. They are much more dedicated to football than MAC fans. Bigger football culture in the Sun Belt.

UMass needs to get fans to football games, so they can talk about basketball.
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RE: One reason we shouldn't bring in UMass
If you divide the contiguous United States into four quadrants using the geographic center at Lebanon Kansas, Missouri and Texas A&M are in the southeastern United States. All 10 Big East teams are in the northeastern United States-even Creighton.
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(04-24-2014 09:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If you divide the contiguous United States into four quadrants using the geographic center at Lebanon Kansas, Missouri and Texas A&M are in the southeastern United States. All 10 Big East teams are in the northeastern United States-even Creighton.

And you win the reaching award LOL
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