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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
This is why so many at App were adamant about moving out of FCS. This will essentially create a third D-I division. The only way to view this is FBS-A and AA. I don't know of any rational App State supporter, favoring the move to FBS, ever envisioned us on the same level as those major schools. Most are happy to be associated with peer schools playing at a higher level than FCS. Our goal was to not be stuck in the SmallCon and FCS when the hammer dropped.

Nowhere does he remotely hint schools outside the P5 conferences will be forced into FCS. A little common sense goes a long way here folks. Does anyone think for a second these guys want to slug it out between themselves 12 times per season, plus a championship game, plus a playoff and bowls?

I honestly believe this is also the first step of G5 conference realignment along regional lines. The FBS playoff is going to take a lot of TV money out of the system. Once those dollars begin to dry up schools will have no other option than to realign. The money simply won't be there for the extensive travel conference members have to live with today.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 03:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  This is what many have been predicting for years and the primary reason many at App were so adamant about moving out of FCS. This will essentially create a third D-I division. The only way to view this is FBS-A and AA. I don't know of any rational App State supporter, favoring the move to FBS, ever envisioned us on the same level as those major schools. Most are happy to be associated with peer schools playing at a higher level than FCS. Our goal was to not be stuck in the SmallCon and FCS when the hammer dropped.

Nowhere does he remotely hint schools outside the P5 conferences will be forced into FCS. A little common sense goes a long way here folks. Does anyone think for a second these guys want to slug it out between themselves 12 times per season, plus a championship game, plus a playoff and bowls?

I honestly believe this is also the first step of G5 conference realignment along regional lines. The FBS playoff is going to take a lot of TV money out of the system. Once those dollars begin to dry up schools will have no other option than to realign. The money simply won't be there for the extensive travel conference members have to live with today.

Really A-AA doesn't even call it right because we'll still get access into the major Bowl games for a single champion, and could still play for a National Title if a team was to make the top 4. Especially with the leagues all following the same rules. What it does do is give the P5 the power they want to set up their own rules...without having FCS schools around to say no.

Schools moving up are essentially trading National Championships away for the exposure of an access bowl game.
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Does this cost of attendance "stipend $$" apply only to football? Basketball-all sports?
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No schools will drop down voluntarily after seeing the difficulty FCS teams have receiving an invite.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
The NCAA has been stopping conferences from moving to the FBS for years.
CAA requested it from the NCAA but was turned down. No reason to think the P-5
conferences will invite any other conferences.

If the P-5 conferences had wanted any of the G-5 conferences they could have talked with
them before now. From what he is saying it sounds like a done deal. Wondering how this
new subdivision will affect the agreement with money distribution.
Are they forming a new subdivision so they can negate what they
agreed to previously. Will the G-5 conferences
still get it or not. Former BCS conferences were already getting 71.5% of the total money,
is this a way for them to get all of it.

Would love to have blind optimism that things would work out, but no real reason to form
a new subdivision if you are going to keep a lot of things the same way.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 04:01 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  The NCAA has been stopping conferences from moving to the FBS for years.
CAA requested it from the NCAA but was turned down. No reason to think the P-5
conferences will invite any other conferences.

If the P-5 conferences had wanted any of the G-5 conferences they could have talked with
them before now. From what he is saying it sounds like a done deal. Wondering how this
new subdivision will affect the agreement with money distribution.
Are they forming a new subdivision so they can negate what they
agreed to previously. Will the G-5 conferences
still get it or not. Former BCS conferences were already getting 71.5% of the total money,
is this a way for them to get all of it.

Would love to have blind optimism that things would work out, but no real reason to form
a new subdivision if you are going to keep a lot of things the same way.

You're really massively overblowing this issue. There have been several around ASU who have been asked about it, and no one is concerned.

Its ESPN, a P5 centric organization getting their own ideas from a quote out of Mike Slive.
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When half of a population gets to make the rules the other half typically will get screwed.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 04:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 04:01 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  The NCAA has been stopping conferences from moving to the FBS for years.
CAA requested it from the NCAA but was turned down. No reason to think the P-5
conferences will invite any other conferences.

If the P-5 conferences had wanted any of the G-5 conferences they could have talked with
them before now. From what he is saying it sounds like a done deal. Wondering how this
new subdivision will affect the agreement with money distribution.
Are they forming a new subdivision so they can negate what they
agreed to previously. Will the G-5 conferences
still get it or not. Former BCS conferences were already getting 71.5% of the total money,
is this a way for them to get all of it.

Would love to have blind optimism that things would work out, but no real reason to form
a new subdivision if you are going to keep a lot of things the same way.

You're really massively overblowing this issue. There have been several around ASU who have been asked about it, and no one is concerned.

Its ESPN, a P5 centric organization getting their own ideas from a quote out of Mike Slive.

Well, if you have talked to a guy that talked to a guy, then guess everything is copacetic. Never mind. The P-5 conferences forming their own subdivision is nothing to be concerned about then. Back to sleep.
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RE: NCAA to have New 5 Conference Subdivision in August
(04-23-2014 04:22 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 04:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 04:01 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  The NCAA has been stopping conferences from moving to the FBS for years.
CAA requested it from the NCAA but was turned down. No reason to think the P-5
conferences will invite any other conferences.

If the P-5 conferences had wanted any of the G-5 conferences they could have talked with
them before now. From what he is saying it sounds like a done deal. Wondering how this
new subdivision will affect the agreement with money distribution.
Are they forming a new subdivision so they can negate what they
agreed to previously. Will the G-5 conferences
still get it or not. Former BCS conferences were already getting 71.5% of the total money,
is this a way for them to get all of it.

Would love to have blind optimism that things would work out, but no real reason to form
a new subdivision if you are going to keep a lot of things the same way.

You're really massively overblowing this issue. There have been several around ASU who have been asked about it, and no one is concerned.

Its ESPN, a P5 centric organization getting their own ideas from a quote out of Mike Slive.

Well, if you have talked to a guy that talked to a guy, then guess everything is copacetic. Never mind. The P-5 conferences forming their own subdivision is nothing to be concerned about then. Back to sleep.

I'm just sharing what I hear, and why you don't see G5 schools throwing a fit. Do you honestly think the University of Houston would allow separation completely without a lawsuit?
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(04-23-2014 03:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:19 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 03:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You guys didn't actually read this right.

Here is sort of what the argument is. The 5 P5 conferences form a new Subdivision in August. Nothing changes competition wise, but they work to create the rules for that new Sub-Division. In January, the rules are announced, and G5 conferences are given the option of moving up to join this new Sub-division, or dropping to FCS. At which point all of the others will move up and join. The way things work is, they cant create an exclusive division, but they can create a new one and set up the rules for it, at which point other leagues will move up or move down. They cant force anyone down without a lawsuit.

That's the way I've been told it will work at least.

So this is not creating FBS-A and FBS-AA?


Not really. Its just the same division, with new rules.

Same division, with new rules? Rules that all have to abide by to compete at FBS level?

If not, then you truly have two groups with different rules playing for the same thing. That isn't a recipe for disaster. No way.
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