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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
For all we know, Aresco may be quietly working the back channels of the P5. If he tries to maneuver out in the open, he risks the MWC, CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt attempting to come along for the ride.
04-23-2014 03:27 PM
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 03:27 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  For all we know, Aresco may be quietly working the back channels of the P5. If he tries to maneuver out in the open, he risks the MWC, CUSA, MAC, and Sun Belt attempting to come along for the ride.

I don't know if he can pull this off but I remember when Aresco was in the media talking about the bowl game he and the other were working on to be included in the playoff format. ESPN got ahold of that and attacked that idea and we see what we got. Guess he is taking a different approach.
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 10:32 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The whole premise of the OP is wrong, b/c Aresco has not been silent. I've heard or read him in more than a dozen interviews make the point that the AAC belonged with the P5 conferences. Maybe he's doing all he can, maybe he isn't, but who knows? Point is, he has NOT been silent.

On the autonomy/governance structure issue, he has been totally silent. Show me an article where he discussed this. (And not a generic article talking about how good the AAC is, but specifically this topic).

You just want to b!tch about Aresco. He has said DOZENS of times that the AAC deserves to be part of the P5. And yes, that is more specific than just saying the conference is good, and it speaks directly to the autonomy issue.

And if you say that doesn't count, then you are just looking to smear Aresco.

Not to mention, you have created nothing but a strawman argument. Aresco saying something publicly about autonomy will do nothing to change the situation, and you know it. He might as well be a dog humping a random leg.
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 05:08 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 10:32 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 10:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The whole premise of the OP is wrong, b/c Aresco has not been silent. I've heard or read him in more than a dozen interviews make the point that the AAC belonged with the P5 conferences. Maybe he's doing all he can, maybe he isn't, but who knows? Point is, he has NOT been silent.

On the autonomy/governance structure issue, he has been totally silent. Show me an article where he discussed this. (And not a generic article talking about how good the AAC is, but specifically this topic).

You just want to b!tch about Aresco. He has said DOZENS of times that the AAC deserves to be part of the P5. And yes, that is more specific than just saying the conference is good, and it speaks directly to the autonomy issue.

And if you say that doesn't count, then you are just looking to smear Aresco.

Not to mention, you have created nothing but a strawman argument. Aresco saying something publicly about autonomy will do nothing to change the situation, and you know it. He might as well be a dog humping a random leg.

lol....Do you have any idea how useful a gif of that would be on this site.....
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(04-22-2014 06:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Wrong answer. Aresco does not need to become the next Karl Benson, whining about the BCS to the press.

He needs to be working the back rooms and back channels.

Thank you.
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(04-23-2014 01:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

There is so much wrong with this post... but I'm going to choose not to engage. What Aresco accomplished has been well documented on other theads.

What Aresco has accomplished has indeed been documented on other threads: Zilch, especially in "back rooms". 07-coffee3
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 07:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 06:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 12:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Aresco has been a great spokesman for AAC...up until now.

Right now, the AAC needs him to be the loudest he ever has been. RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY SECOND.

The Autonomy agenda is getting rammed through by the so called power 5, with no AAC resistance. Why isn't aresco screaming and kicking at the top of his lungs.

This negatively affects the aac permanently. Permanently. Aresco needs to be railing against this power grab 24/7, 7 days a week, 365, yet we here..................NOTHING............SILENCE.

When will be hear Aresco/AAC powers that be SPEAK AND BE HEARD. Do not accept this second tier status laying down. Go down fighting. Please speak up against thiw power grab NOW.

Wrong answer. Aresco does not need to become the next Karl Benson, whining about the BCS to the press.

He needs to be working the back rooms and back channels.

Indeed, because it's those back rooms and back channels (which Aresco is allegedly so well-connected in) where these decisions, like those related to the playoff system, access bowls, and media deals, are being made.

Sure, one can argue that arousing public support for your back-room position can help, but let's face it: the technicalities of NCAA governance aren't likely to spawn a mass public response that would compel the P5. Even in the case of the one time the minor conferences were able to pressure the AQ conferences into making a big change - the 2004 modification of the BCS structure to make it easy for a non-AQ to get into a BCS bowl - that was accomplished less by public media and more by mobilizing key members of congress to apply the heat.

It was 2006 where they modified it allowing an easier pathway for a non-bcs conference team to make the BCS. Top 10 BCS finish, Top 12, if one of the 6 BCS winners was not ranked in the top 16. In 2004, a non-bcs conference school did indeed crack the BCS--Utah. Utah did it under the old rules: finishing in the top 6 of the BCS. The MWC received a full share of the BCS monies that season. In 2006, under the water downed rules, the top 10 representative's conference shared with the other non-aq conferences. 04-cheers
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(04-23-2014 08:00 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 07:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 06:31 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 12:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Aresco has been a great spokesman for AAC...up until now.

Right now, the AAC needs him to be the loudest he ever has been. RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY SECOND.

The Autonomy agenda is getting rammed through by the so called power 5, with no AAC resistance. Why isn't aresco screaming and kicking at the top of his lungs.

This negatively affects the aac permanently. Permanently. Aresco needs to be railing against this power grab 24/7, 7 days a week, 365, yet we here..................NOTHING............SILENCE.

When will be hear Aresco/AAC powers that be SPEAK AND BE HEARD. Do not accept this second tier status laying down. Go down fighting. Please speak up against thiw power grab NOW.

Wrong answer. Aresco does not need to become the next Karl Benson, whining about the BCS to the press.

He needs to be working the back rooms and back channels.

Indeed, because it's those back rooms and back channels (which Aresco is allegedly so well-connected in) where these decisions, like those related to the playoff system, access bowls, and media deals, are being made.

Sure, one can argue that arousing public support for your back-room position can help, but let's face it: the technicalities of NCAA governance aren't likely to spawn a mass public response that would compel the P5. Even in the case of the one time the minor conferences were able to pressure the AQ conferences into making a big change - the 2004 modification of the BCS structure to make it easy for a non-AQ to get into a BCS bowl - that was accomplished less by public media and more by mobilizing key members of congress to apply the heat.

It was 2006 where they modified it allowing an easier pathway for a non-bcs conference team to make the BCS.

For the purpose of my statement above, it didn't matter whether it was done in 2004 or 2006, but FWIW, the modification was agreed to and passed in 2004, thus making it accurate for me to call it the "2004 modification", though it went into effect in 2006.

Kind of like Louisville agreeing to join the ACC, which happened in 2012, though they would not start ACC play until 2014.
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

Ding!

Some drama queens on this board will never be happy and are impossible to please.
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RE: Aresco silence on Autonomy agenda
(04-23-2014 07:39 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 01:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 11:51 AM)Bull Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 11:00 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think Aresco should start talking out of his a$$ and make outrageous statements about autonomy to make some of the people on this thread happy.

Totally agree. I guess some folks think if they don't see it on Sportscenter or the internet it's not really happening. Aresco HAS the connections and I have confidence he's working the phone lines and the political landmines in the most appropriate way necessary.

So far, Aresco's efforts at working the phone lines and the backrooms has produced exactly zilch for this conference. It was in those backrooms where we lost AQ, got saddled with the same money as the other G5, got our peanuts media deal, etc.

If he succeeds in thwarting this autonomy measure, it will be his first success on the phone lines and the first time he hasn't been blown to bits by a political land mine.

There is so much wrong with this post... but I'm going to choose not to engage. What Aresco accomplished has been well documented on other theads.

What Aresco has accomplished has indeed been documented on other threads: Zilch.......

You lead a very sad life.
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