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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 03:28 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  WVU sold out all of their fans by joining theBig 12. Karma is a *****. They suck now in bball and their once competitive football program sucks. Not to mention the kissing cousins jokes that the school has to contend with

I've got some bad news for you... I live in Morgantown and I can say this with absolute confidence: not one WVU fan thinks or feels that moving to the Big XII was a mistake. Some miss the old Big East, but the old Big East was a dying thing after 2004. From 2004 onwards, WVU's days were as numbered as the conference's. And after 2004, the ONLY New Big East team they valued was Louisville. Mention UC to ANY WVU fan and all you'll get is a laugh.

WVU does not...will not...support UC entering the B12 as a "rival." They do not view us a rival or a peer or an ally. In fact, were WVU to propose a "solution" to their travel issues, it would more likely be ECU than UC.

I don't like it, but that is the honest truth. You may dislike or ridicule WVU, but realize they are "there" and we are "here." I'd rather be "there."
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OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 06:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 03:28 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  WVU sold out all of their fans by joining theBig 12. Karma is a *****. They suck now in bball and their once competitive football program sucks. Not to mention the kissing cousins jokes that the school has to contend with

I've got some bad news for you... I live in Morgantown and I can say this with absolute confidence: not one WVU fan thinks or feels that moving to the Big XII was a mistake. Some miss the old Big East, but the old Big East was a dying thing after 2004. From 2004 onwards, WVU's days were as numbered as the conference's. And after 2004, the ONLY New Big East team they valued was Louisville. Mention UC to ANY WVU fan and all you'll get is a laugh.

WVU does not...will not...support UC entering the B12 as a "rival." They do not view us a rival or a peer or an ally. In fact, were WVU to propose a "solution" to their travel issues, it would more likely be ECU than UC.

I don't like it, but that is the honest truth. You may dislike or ridicule WVU, but realize they are "there" and we are "here." I'd rather be "there."

WVU fans' opinion about wether or not UC gets an invite to the Big 12 carries absolutely zero weight with regards to big 12 expansion. Expansion is about TV markets. ( see Rutgers to the big ten). The statement that ECU would get the nod over cincy b/c a few hillbillies in Morgantown are still sore about the UC games in 2008/9 is laughable. Cincinnati OH versus wherever the hell ECU is located isn't even close. I don't care what your neighbors in the double wide say.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
Notice... I said "if WVU got to propose THEIR solution..." Of course that's NOT going to happen, but still...

Rutgers to the BigTen ONLY made sense because of the BTN. Do you think the B12 and Fox didn't run those numbers??? FoxSports Ohio ALREADY covers SW Ohio... Obviously the UC media numbers didn't cover the spread or else we'd already be in the Big XII... So, in order to get there something that doesn't already exist MUST occur. Things are in a homeostasis right now. In order for a change to occur, something has to change.

Which brings me back to the point... You all can laugh at WVU and TCU... Hell, you can take joy at their troubles. That doesn't bother me too much. But do it knowing the landscape. WVU and TCU may have losing records but they are much happier having a crappy record in the B12 than a winning one in the AAC.
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(04-22-2014 02:41 PM)untitled Wrote:  
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(04-22-2014 11:00 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Big mistake taking WVU over Louisville in my opinion. It worked out well for Louisville though. I think the AAC is viewed above the Big 12 although they have good national teams like Texas and Oklahoma.

What in the world are you drinking and smoking at ten o'clock am. Nobody outside of the newbies in this league even think about the powerhouse that the aac is not. LOL!

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(04-22-2014 01:45 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Part of the reason that WVU is having trouble is that Dana Holgorsen is being exposed for being the mediocre coach that he is. A vintage WVU team under Rich Rod would have fit right in and competed in the Big 12.

THIS....
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 11:13 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 11:10 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  How is the AAC viewed above the B12? I love the AAC optimism but c'mon!
Think he meant ACC.

AAC champ 52, B12 champ 42. It counts when it counts.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:56 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:03 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  What in the world are you drinking and smoking at ten o'clock am. Nobody outside of the newbies in this league even think about the powerhouse that the aac is not. LOL!

Was that even a sentence after the first period? While factually the AAC did out perform all p-5 conferences in year one

We were the #7 basketball conference and #6 football conference. 07-coffee3

dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

It's not denial. It's called taking pride in your alma mater and supporting their accomplishments. If you're going to seek some validation in what your school gets paid over the stories that get told on the field, you're missing the mark entirely. If you can't take joy in what the AAC has done this year, than you're not a true AAC fan to begin with.

This thread if littered with trolls. What that tells me is that our detractors are as threatened by our success as we are prideful of it.

So, hate away.

Hell, Quo is creating multiple identities because it irks him so much. lmao. These people have no lives.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:56 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:03 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  What in the world are you drinking and smoking at ten o'clock am. Nobody outside of the newbies in this league even think about the powerhouse that the aac is not. LOL!

Was that even a sentence after the first period? While factually the AAC did out perform all p-5 conferences in year one

We were the #7 basketball conference and #6 football conference. 07-coffee3

dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

While ALL of the cusa teams received an upgrade in conference affiliation and competition ( not to mention $$ ), ALL of the former BE teams ( UC, UCONN, USF ) took a serious step backward. The new teams are still giddy over their new home and expect the old BE teams to feel the same. LOL! Duplicating what happened last season will be nearly impossible going forward. The teams coming in next year will drag the conference down even more, but don't try telling them that. The call up, cannot come soon enuogh for you guys. Good luck.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-23-2014 08:33 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:56 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Was that even a sentence after the first period? While factually the AAC did out perform all p-5 conferences in year one

We were the #7 basketball conference and #6 football conference. 07-coffee3

dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

While ALL of the cusa teams received an upgrade in conference affiliation and competition ( not to mention $$ ), ALL of the former BE teams ( UC, UCONN, USF ) took a serious step backward. The new teams are still giddy over their new home and expect the old BE teams to feel the same. LOL! Duplicating what happened last season will be nearly impossible going forward. The teams coming in next year will drag the conference down even more, but don't try telling them that. The call up, cannot come soon enuogh for you guys. Good luck.

And I suppose Louisville will drag down the ACC. 04-cheers

Good luck, indeed.

Our incoming programs are raising their game. Just look at what Tulsa is doing with their basketball program.
I'm as big of an AAC fan as there is, and I'm not over on the ACC board, despite the absolute collapse of that league in the tourney.

The passion that you have for trying to bring this conference down is glorious.
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WVU has fallen off a cliff. Anybody who denies that is delirious. For a program that was winning BCS bowls, was known as a top-25 quality program each year in football, and a NCAA tournament team most years in basketball, to go from hammering Clemson in the Orange Bowl to having back to back sub par seasons in football and basketball is a failure. Simple as that.
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(04-23-2014 08:52 AM)Redvolution Wrote:  WVU has fallen off a cliff. Anybody who denies that is delirious. For a program that was winning BCS bowls, was known as a top-25 quality program each year in football, and a NCAA tournament team most years in basketball, to go from hammering Clemson in the Orange Bowl to having back to back sub par seasons in football and basketball is a failure. Simple as that.

I agree, WVU is a shell of it' s former self. It's really funny.
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(04-23-2014 08:10 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:41 PM)untitled Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:03 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 11:00 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Big mistake taking WVU over Louisville in my opinion. It worked out well for Louisville though. I think the AAC is viewed above the Big 12 although they have good national teams like Texas and Oklahoma.

What in the world are you drinking and smoking at ten o'clock am. Nobody outside of the newbies in this league even think about the powerhouse that the aac is not. LOL!

Context clues > you

Clueless = you

The point, which you apparently missed, was that he meant the ACC, not the AAC. He mentions how it worked out well for Louisville because "the AAC [sic] is viewed above the B12."

That statement would not make sense if he really meant the AAC, because he is making note of how everything worked out for Louisville, which is leaving the AAC for the ACC (which, in his opinion, is viewed above the B12, even with TX and OK.) Not to mention, no one in their right mind thinks the AAC is viewed as a better conference overall than the B12.

In other words, he was complimenting Louisville and the ACC, but you failed to pick up on what he really meant because of a (very common) typo. Context clues > you.

For the record, I think the B12 made a huge mistake taking WV over Louisville. Their geography would make more sense with Louisville, fan and (especially) donor support seems better at Louisville, football quality is pretty much a wash, academics probably favor Louisville, and Cardinal basketball is clearly superior to WV basketball. My UT buddies agree that, in hindsight, passing on Louisville was a bad move, and I'm sure my Kansas buddy would agree that having another national title contender in hoops would be nice.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-23-2014 08:33 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:56 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  Was that even a sentence after the first period? While factually the AAC did out perform all p-5 conferences in year one

We were the #7 basketball conference and #6 football conference. 07-coffee3

dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

While ALL of the cusa teams received an upgrade in conference affiliation and competition ( not to mention $$ ), ALL of the former BE teams ( UC, UCONN, USF ) took a serious step backward. The new teams are still giddy over their new home and expect the old BE teams to feel the same. LOL! Duplicating what happened last season will be nearly impossible going forward. The teams coming in next year will drag the conference down even more, but don't try telling them that. The call up, cannot come soon enuogh for you guys. Good luck.

Teams remaining in the AAC (3 major sports)

1) Football - UCF went undefeated and won the title a BCS game
2) basketball- Cincy was tied for 1st in regular season if I remember correctly and Uconn won the title
3) women's basketball - Uconn won the title and AAC
4) baseball - UCF currently in 1st

I think the AAC will be fine. Thanks for the concern though.
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RE: OT: Big 12 commish: TCU, WVU have had moments in difficult transition
(04-22-2014 08:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  WVU and TCU may have losing records but they are much happier having a crappy record in the B12 than a winning one in the AAC.
That's because they have faith that times will get better.

For the sake of argument, let's say that TCU's and WVU's competitive performance the last two years is a preview of of their future competitive performance. Would their fans still be "happy" with that trade-off, indefinitely? I'm sure some of them would. But nowhere near all of them.
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(04-23-2014 08:41 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 08:33 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  We were the #7 basketball conference and #6 football conference. 07-coffee3

dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

While ALL of the cusa teams received an upgrade in conference affiliation and competition ( not to mention $$ ), ALL of the former BE teams ( UC, UCONN, USF ) took a serious step backward. The new teams are still giddy over their new home and expect the old BE teams to feel the same. LOL! Duplicating what happened last season will be nearly impossible going forward. The teams coming in next year will drag the conference down even more, but don't try telling them that. The call up, cannot come soon enuogh for you guys. Good luck.

And I suppose Louisville will drag down the ACC. 04-cheers

Good luck, indeed.

Our incoming programs are raising their game. Just look at what Tulsa is doing with their basketball program.
I'm as big of an AAC fan as there is, and I'm not over on the ACC board, despite the absolute collapse of that league in the tourney.

The passion that you have for trying to bring this conference down is glorious.

Tell you what hoss, I will bet you whatever amount you would like, that UL will be competitive right off the bat in the ACC. Your incoming teams are mid to low major programs, but they will probably beat the teams you root for, so I understand your optimism (not really) about their inclusion. LOL! Last of all, I don't need to bring this conference down, it will do fine all on it's own. Have fun in it.
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(04-23-2014 09:20 AM)untitled Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 08:10 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:41 PM)untitled Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 02:03 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 11:00 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Big mistake taking WVU over Louisville in my opinion. It worked out well for Louisville though. I think the AAC is viewed above the Big 12 although they have good national teams like Texas and Oklahoma.

What in the world are you drinking and smoking at ten o'clock am. Nobody outside of the newbies in this league even think about the powerhouse that the aac is not. LOL!

Context clues > you

Clueless = you

The point, which you apparently missed, was that he meant the ACC, not the AAC. He mentions how it worked out well for Louisville because "the AAC [sic] is viewed above the B12."

That statement would not make sense if he really meant the AAC, because he is making note of how everything worked out for Louisville, which is leaving the AAC for the ACC (which, in his opinion, is viewed above the B12, even with TX and OK.) Not to mention, no one in their right mind thinks the AAC is viewed as a better conference overall than the B12.

In other words, he was complimenting Louisville and the ACC, but you failed to pick up on what he really meant because of a (very common) typo. Context clues > you.

For the record, I think the B12 made a huge mistake taking WV over Louisville. Their geography would make more sense with Louisville, fan and (especially) donor support seems better at Louisville, football quality is pretty much a wash, academics probably favor Louisville, and Cardinal basketball is clearly superior to WV basketball. My UT buddies agree that, in hindsight, passing on Louisville was a bad move, and I'm sure my Kansas buddy would agree that having another national title contender in hoops would be nice.

Yes it was supposed to be a compliment to Louisville. Getting passed by the Big 12 worked out better for them. ACC > Big 12 in my opinion. WVU would rather be in the ACC if that was possible.

If you look at my context it was clearly a typo for AAC vs ACC. I'm not that delusional.
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(04-22-2014 08:05 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  WVU and TCU may have losing records but they are much happier having a crappy record in the B12 than a winning one in the AAC.

I don't know about everybody else, but I'd personally take competing for Playoff Bowls every year in the American over being in the "Bevo and the 9 dwarves" cellar each year.
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(04-23-2014 09:29 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 08:41 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(04-23-2014 08:33 AM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-22-2014 05:32 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  dude...they don't get it. They think a BCS win and some ncaa tourney bids makes us P5 material. Nevermind our tv contract is mickey mouse (which is exactly how our conference/teams are viewed nationally) and never mind our bowl lineup is total garbage, and never mind every school in this POS conference would take an invite into one of the P5 conferences in a ny minute.

Yes, the denial and wishful thinking around here is sometimes pretty astonishing.

While ALL of the cusa teams received an upgrade in conference affiliation and competition ( not to mention $$ ), ALL of the former BE teams ( UC, UCONN, USF ) took a serious step backward. The new teams are still giddy over their new home and expect the old BE teams to feel the same. LOL! Duplicating what happened last season will be nearly impossible going forward. The teams coming in next year will drag the conference down even more, but don't try telling them that. The call up, cannot come soon enuogh for you guys. Good luck.

And I suppose Louisville will drag down the ACC. 04-cheers

Good luck, indeed.

Our incoming programs are raising their game. Just look at what Tulsa is doing with their basketball program.
I'm as big of an AAC fan as there is, and I'm not over on the ACC board, despite the absolute collapse of that league in the tourney.

The passion that you have for trying to bring this conference down is glorious.

Tell you what hoss, I will bet you whatever amount you would like, that UL will be competitive right off the bat in the ACC. Your incoming teams are mid to low major programs, but they will probably beat the teams you root for, so I understand your optimism (not really) about their inclusion. LOL! Last of all, I don't need to bring this conference down, it will do fine all on it's own. Have fun in it.

Get over yourself. The AAC teams are doing fine. Just look at who is winning in the major sports in the conference. Those teams are staying. You guys have a great gig going to the ACC and just be classy on the way out the door. I'd be pumped too about the ACC, but why belittle another conference that is actually not doing bad.
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WVU aren't going to stay down. They've got a very good athletic budget and a loyal fanbase. Attendance held up for them this season up until the very bitter end when it all meant nothing.

The new "normal" for WVU will be 7-8 wins a season. They might burn couches, but that program is not a cellar-dwelling program.
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(04-23-2014 09:40 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  WVU aren't going to stay down. They've got a very good athletic budget and a loyal fanbase. Attendance held up for them this season up until the very bitter end when it all meant nothing.

The new "normal" for WVU will be 7-8 wins a season. They might burn couches, but that program is not a cellar-dwelling program.

i disagree. the problem for wvu is not the increased football strength of the b12, but the b12 being a conference that they have very little connection with demographically.

WVU has had only 2 TX recruits and none from the states of iowa oklahoma and kansas

THAT is their biggest problem going forward. it takes time to adjust to that. i expect 4-8 seasons for the next couple of years until wvu figures out how to capitalize on TX recruiting.
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