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RE: The Push for Power 5 Autonomy is here (Dennis Dodd, CBS)
The proposal was accepted by the steering committee with a modification. The most problematic portion of the proposal has been removed. This will allow the G5 (and any other D1 conference) to adopt any new autonomous rule enacted by the P5 without requiring any approval from any other NCAA body.

http://college-football.si.com/2014/04/2...ructuring/
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(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.

Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.

Oh, look out everyone! Fourteen fans with white plastic belts and one Erector Set Build-A-Stadium Kit comin' through!
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(04-24-2014 09:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The proposal was accepted by the steering committee with a modification. The most problematic portion of the proposal has been removed. This will allow the G5 (and any other D1 conference) to adopt any new autonomous rule enacted by the P5 without requiring any approval from any other NCAA body.

http://college-football.si.com/2014/04/2...ructuring/

"The university presidents who serve on the steering committee continue to seek more clarity and specificity about these proposed areas of autonomy. While retaining the concepts that were included in the “actionable” category, the board decided that the process it had identified as “actionable” - requiring the conferences other than the highest-profile five to take a separate vote – would not be included in the proposal."

Yeah, this is important.
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(04-24-2014 11:10 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Oh, look out everyone! Fourteen fans with white plastic belts and one Erector Set Build-A-Stadium Kit comin' through!

If I've learned anything about this community it is that all it takes is a spark to start a bonfire around here.
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(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.

Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.

By "us" I meant all of us that are in G-5 conferences. Regardless of your high aspirations for your school, at some point you have accept reality. The P-5 conferences don't want us sitting at the same table with them, and since they have all the money, they make all the rules.
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Oh, look out everyone! Fourteen fans with white plastic belts and one Erector Set Build-A-Stadium Kit comin' through!
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OK, so any team in Div 1 (read G5) can choose to offer the same benefits as the P5 members. So what? That still won't get you to the P5 table will it? Other than a very small handful of teams that MIGHT get snapped up from the AAC or BYU, the rest of us are going to be mid-major level regardless of what we spend.
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(04-26-2014 11:59 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  OK, so any team in Div 1 (read G5) can choose to offer the same benefits as the P5 members. So what? That still won't get you to the P5 table will it? Other than a very small handful of teams that MIGHT get snapped up from the AAC or BYU, the rest of us are going to be mid-major level regardless of what we spend.

A level playing field is all anyone can ever ask for.

Elon Musk (of Space X and Tesla electirc car fame) is suing the USAF for equal access to launch cargo to the space station [Edit: potentially saving the US Gov't $1 billion a year from 2015 to 2030 on a $70 billion launch budget].

Cartels and artificial barriers to competition can not stand. That's What.
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(04-26-2014 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.

Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.

By "us" I meant all of us that are in G-5 conferences. Regardless of your high aspirations for your school, at some point you have accept reality. The P-5 conferences don't want us sitting at the same table with them, and since they have all the money, they make all the rules.

You are looking at this through the eyes of...

We already were sitting at the same table and that isn't the case.

I will just copy and post what I wrote on Hilltopper Haven because while the ticket prices are different the meaning is the same for all of us.

I see a lot of over reaction to this. There is a limit to how much money you can add to a students scholarship before they reach the point of owning taxes on that money. Most of these kids work up to the limit during the off season..at least they pretend to.

Add the $2000 dollar stipend along with what they make during the off season and most of these kids will be filing taxes. Not all things in your scholarship is tax free. Room & board is taxable, so is the stipends they already get and so are a lot of other things. It's not earned income but it's taxable.

Do you think any of these schools want one of their players getting audited? There will be a limit and I', sure the suggested $2,000 is getting right up to that limit. A conference can reject this and not pay the stipend. That's left up to each conference but the SBC and C-USA already came out in support of this when it was talked about last year. It will add between $800, 000 to $1,000,000 to the budget.

The rule that will hurt the G5 conferences is the 95 scholarship limit...a increase of 10 scholarships. This will add another $500,000 or so to the budget...add 10 to the men you must also add 10 for the females title IX. But it's not the added money that will hurt it's the additional pool of players we lose out on that will go to the BCS schools

The new rules will not exclude anyone that is as long as you have the money to play by the new rules. At least being D1 in football gives us a seat at the table and if a break does come we most likely will be pulled along because of that.

If they ever added more scholarships to basketball that would hurt. But how likely is that? I say not likely at all. Right now with 13 scholarships about 20% of players are transferring each year because of playing time. It's not just the Westerns and our brothers that lose players each year...the BCS schools have just as many to transfer. With the numbers being so high there's already a call to get rid of the transfer rule to sit out a year...

no one wants that to happen it would be almost impossible to keep your players. That goes for the BCS schools also. Adding two more scholarships to get back up to the 15 we had a number of years ago would only add to the number of players transferring each year.

There's a conference called the BigEast mostly made up of deep pocket schools with a ton of basketball history. No way they would let the BCS schools break away and basically take the NCAA Tourney with them. At least not without a court fight and getting the government involved. No one wants that...NO ONE and especially the BCS schools. So a basketball break was way more likely when the BigEast also had the D1 football schools and was part of this BCS pack.

It might cost more to play at the highest level but the door won't be shut in our face..as long as we can afford it.

That part will depend on the fans.. us FANS paying their share. If you want your program playing at the highest level stop the bitching and complaining when ticket prices goes up a few dollars a game. We actually have fans complaining about football season tickets going up to $75 from $50 last year...that's a $2.50 a game increase. All we had was 5 games in the season ticket package last year. We also have fans that complain about the price of basketball tickets. Our cheapest season tickets go for $99 + $50 to HAF $8.30 a game


I know money is tight for a lot of people but honestly most people waste $225 a year just going into a store and picking up a coke or candy bar or a six pack of beer. That's about what we are talking about to get you season tickets for WKU football and basketball. So while money is tight we all make choices on where to spent it and I don't think many of us...maybe 5% or less don't waste at least $225 a year on throw away things. So it comes down to choice...

It cost money to play at the highest level and we all want to complain when we think someone is trying to exclude us. Yet some of us wouldn't trade a coke, candy bar, or a six pack of beer every few days to help support their school to play at that level....

nope we just want to ***** and complain.

I'm not taking about any one person..just fans in general
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(04-26-2014 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.
Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.
By "us" I meant all of us that are in G-5 conferences. Regardless of your high aspirations for your school, at some point you have accept reality. The P-5 conferences don't want us sitting at the same table with them, and since they have all the money, they make all the rules.

I know you were referring to the collective 'us' and my point is that now is not the time for a pity-party; it's time to redouble our efforts.

The most onerous part of the proposal has been tabled, to me, that's a Victory and should be viewed as such. If this is the case, then rejoice and plan for even better things in the future.

18 months ago La Tech was in a conference that was about to fold, they were praying for a C-USA invite. Guess what, you got it. Make the most of it and drive forward.
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WKUYG, you make great points about how people fail to BUDGET their money-then complain about ticket prices! I think you are mistaken about going to 95 scholarships for football.Have seen this nowhere.Do you think Ole Miss would vote for Alabama to have 10 more scholarships? No.
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What about the SEC and ACC moving to nine conference games? This seems to be a blow for G5 schools that were able to get h/h series. These seem far less likely to happen going forward.
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(04-27-2014 11:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.
Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.
By "us" I meant all of us that are in G-5 conferences. Regardless of your high aspirations for your school, at some point you have accept reality. The P-5 conferences don't want us sitting at the same table with them, and since they have all the money, they make all the rules.

I know you were referring to the collective 'us' and my point is that now is not the time for a pity-party; it's time to redouble our efforts.

The most onerous part of the proposal has been tabled, to me, that's a Victory and should be viewed as such. If this is the case, then rejoice and plan for even better things in the future.

18 months ago La Tech was in a conference that was about to fold, they were praying for a C-USA invite. Guess what, you got it. Make the most of it and drive forward.

I'm very happy that were members of CUSA, and Im all for CUSA making strides to make our conference the best G-5 conference in the land. I just don't think that there is anything that any G-5 conference can do that will affect the P-5 conference's intent to separate themselves from us.
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(04-29-2014 05:16 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 11:25 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 06:18 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 09:09 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-24-2014 07:41 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Yep. 65 teams or less is the goal, and they are well on their way to achieving it. To pay for all of these changes, every G-5 conference member will be forced to whore themselves out to the highest bidder for two or three games each year. Thus, the P-5 conferences will be assured of the necessary wins to enable them to fill almost every bowl spot with P-5 members only. Our best days are behind us.
Good. Get out of the way and let the rest of us through.
By "us" I meant all of us that are in G-5 conferences. Regardless of your high aspirations for your school, at some point you have accept reality. The P-5 conferences don't want us sitting at the same table with them, and since they have all the money, they make all the rules.

I know you were referring to the collective 'us' and my point is that now is not the time for a pity-party; it's time to redouble our efforts.

The most onerous part of the proposal has been tabled, to me, that's a Victory and should be viewed as such. If this is the case, then rejoice and plan for even better things in the future.

18 months ago La Tech was in a conference that was about to fold, they were praying for a C-USA invite. Guess what, you got it. Make the most of it and drive forward.

I'm very happy that were members of CUSA, and Im all for CUSA making strides to make our conference the best G-5 conference in the land. I just don't think that there is anything that any G-5 conference can do that will affect the P-5 conference's intent to separate themselves from us.

There is something we can do. We can spend money. Louisville did it, and TCU did it.

One obstacle in your case is Bobby Jindal, who is just a terrible governor, particularly when it comes to things he perceives as luxuries (hospitals, colleges, environmental legislation, dental care for children working at sweatshops where they don't offer it...)

Another obstacle, which we both face, is the poverty mentality that pervades the Bible Belt:

"A rusty 6-cylinder Dodge truck was good enough for Dad so it's good enough for me."

"There's nothing wrong with our gym."

"Well, <insert local institution name here> is run by a city slicker / black man / dude who made fun of me in high school, so let me just go buy a Bama T-Shirt and that'll show him. "

If this post gets any kind of responses, they will be about how USM (or Tech) actually doesn't have any money, but I just don't buy it. Money is something that you generate, by providing a valuable service (like education or entertainment), or (wait for it... it's gonna blow your mind) sending out a letter asking for it! USM has done that with great success for other things unrelated to sports.

Or, we could just line up an auto-dialer with a recording of John Cox offering people as many free hot dogs as they can eat for $10.00. Just be willing to watch USM squeak by some Juco with a name that sounds like a department store, in an obsolete gym.

People don't like it, but I'm right about this. We absolutely control our own destiny here 100%.
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RE: The Push for Power 5 Autonomy is here (Dennis Dodd, CBS)
(04-27-2014 03:45 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  What about the SEC and ACC moving to nine conference games? This seems to be a blow for G5 schools that were able to get h/h series. These seem far less likely to happen going forward.

At least the SEC just decided to stay at 8 conference games going forward.
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