Is getting BYU on board Aresco's end goal?

I know he's mentioned them before but can't find the quotes.

BYU would be a great get, but the success/stability of the league doesn't depend AT ALL on getting them.

I think what you're likely to see for the time being is BYU playing 3 (sometimes 4) of the American's football teams each season, and maybe a few MBB and other sports, too.

BYU will continue to schedule with the upper half of the AAC, and the AAC seems to be ok with it. Symbiotic relationship. I doubt however it will turn into membership for BYU. They are notoriously difficult to negotiate with, which is why P5 conferences have taken a pass on them. I could be wrong , but I suspect what we are seeing now is pretty the extent of it.

It could be, and probably should be. Its still too early in the game to know how it ends. The AAC needs to win first and foremost, continue to legitimize itself as a power or near power conference. As the playoff ear ensues, if the AAC is doing well and BYU is missing out on the national level their tune may change. Hence the reason we do not expand now for the sake of expanding. Continue to push the envelope, collect your chips and play the hand when you've got the best odds.

Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question.

They seem to have adopted the Notre Dame philosophy of football independence and all their other sports in a conference. I doubt that the AAC would want them on that basis. And I doubt that BYU would want to increase travel costs and rigors for their players to go to the AAC. Their basketball team has a nice little competitive thing going at the top of the WCC with Gonzaga and st. Mary's, making that a 3 bid league, so they don't gain much unless they go to a conference with more depth and a bigger TV contract. The league that would seem to be first in line if they ever change their philosophy on football independence appears to be the Big XII.

I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea. Small steps.

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea. Small steps.

I understand why the AAC would be interested. Why would it be a good idea for BYU?

(04-18-2014 11:24 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea. Small steps.

I understand why the AAC would be interested. Why would it be a good idea for BYU?

This is all END GOAL stuff. I'm talking after the new TV contract is handed down, 6 years of competition, etc.

It would be a good idea for BYU bc so many conferences are going to 9 games. It will be harder and harder to schedule for them.

(04-18-2014 11:24 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea. Small steps.

I understand why the AAC would be interested. Why would it be a good idea for BYU?

This is why the "look in " period is huge. Also, the league may provide a better path to the access bowl slot.

(04-18-2014 11:24 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea. Small steps.

I understand why the AAC would be interested. Why would it be a good idea for BYU?

I would think so since BYU has allegedly had issues getting late season games, as most schools are in the middle of their conference schedules. The top AAC schools provide that game, and they don't kill BYU's SoS.

Right now BYU is playing half-MWC slate and half-AAC slate

BYU's football relationship with the American will probably end up like Notre Dame's is with the ACC or Big East back in the day. Play 4-5 American teams every year but on the back side they can take one of our bowl bids from us....

BYU has always been the end goal. Its been awhile since I have heard insider info on it but I want to say after bowl season we had talks with them again. Scheduling issues are becoming more apparent for them. You will continue to see Aresco to encourage AAC members to schedule BYU. UCF is attempting to extend the series.

"Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question."
byu has no path to the playoff, 11-1 byu ranked #6 is still playing the #4 mwc/aac team in a poinsetta type bowl
and compete for conference championship, like with navy they want a full season of meaningful games after byu reaches 6 win they are just playing for pride because the results become meaningless

"I don't think a scheduling agreement ala Notre Dame/ACC would be a bad idea"
we gain nothing from that, ND/acc deal works because it give everyone in the acc the opportunity to potentially host ND (something borderline impossible for most of their teams without the agreement ) also gives acc control to a couple ND games a year (they average 4mil viewers)..everyone in the aac is capable of scheduling byu without a contract and byu has marginally better ratings and aren't a crazy tv draw like nd.... 6-0 houston vs 4-2 byu was put on espnnews last year.
that benefits byu more than us
byu full or nothing

"Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?"
no, byu would be a great addition but no where near a necessity

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question.

They seem to have adopted the Notre Dame philosophy of football independence and all their other sports in a conference. I doubt that the AAC would want them on that basis. And I doubt that BYU would want to increase travel costs and rigors for their players to go to the AAC. Their basketball team has a nice little competitive thing going at the top of the WCC with Gonzaga and st. Mary's, making that a 3 bid league, so they don't gain much unless they go to a conference with more depth and a bigger TV contract. The league that would seem to be first in line if they ever change their philosophy on football independence appears to be the Big XII.

Lets be honest here. BYU has attempted to adopt Notre Dames old independence model that even Notre Dame was having trouble with. BYU is not Notre Dame.

That said, BYU has something Notre Dame didn't have---a tv network. If anyone can make this version of independence work, its BYU. Personally, I think BYU is Aresco's white whale, but its not going to happen. The best Aresco might pull off (which I'd be fine with) is a Notre Dame style deal (just saw that Pesik beat me to the punch on that one).

BYU would join as a non-football member of the AAC and agree to play 4-5 football games a year vs AAC schools. BYU would have access to our bowl package (except for the BCS bowl). Basically, it would be the same deal Notre Dame has with the ACC. Their presence would help us land some better bowls, strengthen our OOC football schedule, and would deepen our Olympic sports.

The football scheduling agreement with the AAC would help to solve BYU's most pressing problem---scheduling late season football games.

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question.

Let's see...they don't have guaranteed access to the Access bowls. None. There are no special provision for them to be selected, like there were for ND under the BCS system. Let me repeat, they have no guaranteed access to premier bowls. So, unless they are satisfied with playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl every year, they have some incentive to join. The other problem is that, unlike ND, their schedule will become more and more difficult to put together every year and home games will become more and more difficult to come by. It already is. Now, this probably isn't enough to join AAC, but they do have some incentive.

BYU is the goal (at least their football) for the American, but they like where they are, with a pretty good TV deal and a much better regional and like-minded conference for their other sports. If the AAC were to become a better financial situation for them, then maybe they consider joining, but until then, they are loving independence. Aresco desperately wants them, but he's not offering a better deal for them at the moment.

And if BYU were to be 11-1 and ranked #6, they'd get an at-large spot in an Access bowl. That said, I think they'd have to be 12-0 to get ranked that high.

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question.

They seem to have adopted the Notre Dame philosophy of football independence and all their other sports in a conference. I doubt that the AAC would want them on that basis. And I doubt that BYU would want to increase travel costs and rigors for their players to go to the AAC. Their basketball team has a nice little competitive thing going at the top of the WCC with Gonzaga and st. Mary's, making that a 3 bid league, so they don't gain much unless they go to a conference with more depth and a bigger TV contract. The league that would seem to be first in line if they ever change their philosophy on football independence appears to be the Big XII.

Notre Dame has a scheduling agreement with the ACC. Honestly if we could get a ND/ACC deal with BYU, I'd consider it a win.

BYU's whole thing was that they thought that they could get Independent Status into the Playoff. That didn't happen. BYU's bowl situation is pretty crappy. At least at ND they can say they play for National CHampionships every year, thats the goal. But what is the motivation for BYU? They play for...

2014 BYU didn't lock down a bowl agreement. So they have to hope for an At-Large bid from low tier bowl. Hell if we don't qualify enough teams St.Pete bowl is a realistic landing spot for BYU in 2014.

In the future BYU has Poinsettia Bowl but that's it. We have no idea how that will work either. Is Poinsettia expected to take BYU every year they are eligible? I doubt it.

(04-18-2014 11:52 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 11:23 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Why would BYU come to the AAC? Honest question.

Let's see...they don't have guaranteed access to the Access bowls. None. There are no special provision for them to be selected, like there were for ND under the BCS system. Let me repeat, they have no guaranteed access to premier bowls. So, unless they are satisfied with playing in the Kraft Fight Hunger bowl every year, they have some incentive to join. The other problem is that, unlike ND, their schedule will become more and more difficult to put together every year and home games will become more and more difficult to come by. It already is. Now, this probably isn't enough to join AAC, but they do have some incentive.

" Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco and the Holiday Bowl in San Diego that they will invite only Pac-12 and Big Ten teams from 2014 to 2019 further limited BYU’s possibilities in California, and made Holmoe’s job even more difficult."

Nope, Kraft has given BYU the boot.
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