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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
another thread about expansion, BYU, and the mwc. i think i just caught narcolepsy
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-18-2014 04:58 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: (04-18-2014 04:54 PM)sierrajip Wrote: (04-18-2014 04:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: BYU is going yo wait couple of years and see how the new playoffs bowl deal works out. If they see that they have no shot at a BCS style bowl as Indy they might join a conference
I am not sure they will be affected about the playoff situation if the other bowls will still be interested as long as the fan base is there.
Well I think that is what they are counting on. But remember they are competing vs P5 schools for those bowls and it's only a few open slots. The first time BYU goes 10-2 and sees themselves not chosen for an at large bowl slot is the day they will start to reconsider. Specially if they see a 11-2 G5 champ in those BCS bowls.
I would agree, but they have been a good team, not a great one, and the fan base has seemed to stick with them during the BCS years. I am happy with the conference as it stands and will enjoy watching the games with the UCF conference foes. Some of the best games were within the conference last year (Temple, UH, Memphis, USF).
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
BYU in the AAC would be a game changer. The MWC , would have teams that would want to be part of the AAC. Heck, I think Air Force would come into play as well. Now may actually be a good time to make a strong push for BYU. They need our basketball and we need their brand. It's a win/win.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-18-2014 03:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (04-18-2014 02:59 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: (04-18-2014 11:29 AM)Pirate1 Wrote: BYU's football relationship with the American will probably end up like Notre Dame's is with the ACC or Big East back in the day. Play 4-5 American teams every year but on the back side they can take one of our bowl bids from us....
But - LOL! - what is there left to take?
I hear u. The thought is they get access to any of our bowls but we use them with our bowl negotiations. That would be a win for the AAC.
It seems to me the typical bowls that BYU gets to are the Vegas and Poinsettia. These are usually earmarked for MWC teams.
So, BYU already kind of has its deal there, or so I would think.
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04-19-2014 09:07 AM |
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-18-2014 06:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote: BYU in the AAC would be a game changer. The MWC , would have teams that would want to be part of the AAC. Heck, I think Air Force would come into play as well. Now may actually be a good time to make a strong push for BYU. They need our basketball and we need their brand. It's a win/win.
I agree about being a game changer. Adding BYU with Air Force or Army gives the AAC tons of TV content that would make the league a valuable property.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-18-2014 06:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote: BYU in the AAC would be a game changer. The MWC , would have teams that would want to be part of the AAC. Heck, I think Air Force would come into play as well. Now may actually be a good time to make a strong push for BYU. They need our basketball and we need their brand. It's a win/win.
Now is not the time. I will say two years from now when they see if they have access to BCS bowls or not and could be a look in for our tv contract will be a better time specially if we are all still together.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 12:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: (04-18-2014 06:50 PM)baruna falls Wrote: BYU in the AAC would be a game changer. The MWC , would have teams that would want to be part of the AAC. Heck, I think Air Force would come into play as well. Now may actually be a good time to make a strong push for BYU. They need our basketball and we need their brand. It's a win/win.
Now is not the time. I will say two years from now when they see if they have access to BCS bowls or not and could be a look in for our tv contract will be a better time specially if we are all still together.
Like I said, I don't think they will join any G5 conference. I do think a Notre Dame style deal would be possible. I'd be fine with that.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
But I have a feeling that the AAC is not adding anyone west of Texas. I think the moves of adding ECU,Tulane and Tulsa is a big sign of it. Also I think that SMU and Houston would rather be tied to eastern schools instead of western one.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 12:26 PM)Cubanbull Wrote: But I have a feeling that the AAC is not adding anyone west of Texas. I think the moves of adding ECU,Tulane and Tulsa is a big sign of it. Also I think that SMU and Houston would rather be tied to eastern schools instead of western one.
If BYU wanted to join we would add them and not to mention they would be FB only. They already get $6-7 million with their current TV deal so you can see the value with them. Only way it happens if the indy status becomes a burden and the AAC in a few years gets a major bump in our TV deal. At least up to the $5-6 million dollar range to make them think about it.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
BYU is simply not joining anyone other than a Power 5 conference. It's about branding image for them even beyond the TV money and BYUtv. At a base level, they absolutely CANNOT psychologically allow Utah to have the upperhand. Independence, even with scheduling issues late in the year, allows BYU to argue (whether it's right or wrong) that they're "special" compared to Utah ("We have our own ESPN contract and national fan base that Utah couldn't ever pull off"). Joining a G5 league is admitting that they're inferior to Utah and they (their alums and LDS leaders) just won't allow that to happen. The AAC made a HUGE mistake in deluding themselves that they ever had a chance at BYU 2 years ago and it cost them Boise and SDSU. You'll get as much traction going after Notre Dam as you will BYU at this point. If the AAC wants to get west, it needs to add a full-fledged western division with anyone *other* than BYU (and Memphis can't be "west").
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 08:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: BYU is simply not joining anyone other than a Power 5 conference. It's about branding image for them even beyond the TV money and BYUtv. At a base level, they absolutely CANNOT psychologically allow Utah to have the upperhand. Independence, even with scheduling issues late in the year, allows BYU to argue (whether it's right or wrong) that they're "special" compared to Utah ("We have our own ESPN contract and national fan base that Utah couldn't ever pull off"). Joining a G5 league is admitting that they're inferior to Utah and they (their alums and LDS leaders) just won't allow that to happen. The AAC made a HUGE mistake in deluding themselves that they ever had a chance at BYU 2 years ago and it cost them Boise and SDSU. You'll get as much traction going after Notre Dam as you will BYU at this point. If the AAC wants to get west, it needs to add a full-fledged western division with anyone *other* than BYU (and Memphis can't be "west").
Completely agree.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 08:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (04-19-2014 08:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: BYU is simply not joining anyone other than a Power 5 conference. It's about branding image for them even beyond the TV money and BYUtv. At a base level, they absolutely CANNOT psychologically allow Utah to have the upperhand. Independence, even with scheduling issues late in the year, allows BYU to argue (whether it's right or wrong) that they're "special" compared to Utah ("We have our own ESPN contract and national fan base that Utah couldn't ever pull off"). Joining a G5 league is admitting that they're inferior to Utah and they (their alums and LDS leaders) just won't allow that to happen. The AAC made a HUGE mistake in deluding themselves that they ever had a chance at BYU 2 years ago and it cost them Boise and SDSU. You'll get as much traction going after Notre Dam as you will BYU at this point. If the AAC wants to get west, it needs to add a full-fledged western division with anyone *other* than BYU (and Memphis can't be "west").
Completely agree.
When we approach ESPN about a renegotiation, this subject should be broached.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 08:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (04-19-2014 08:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: BYU is simply not joining anyone other than a Power 5 conference. It's about branding image for them even beyond the TV money and BYUtv. At a base level, they absolutely CANNOT psychologically allow Utah to have the upperhand. Independence, even with scheduling issues late in the year, allows BYU to argue (whether it's right or wrong) that they're "special" compared to Utah ("We have our own ESPN contract and national fan base that Utah couldn't ever pull off"). Joining a G5 league is admitting that they're inferior to Utah and they (their alums and LDS leaders) just won't allow that to happen. The AAC made a HUGE mistake in deluding themselves that they ever had a chance at BYU 2 years ago and it cost them Boise and SDSU. You'll get as much traction going after Notre Dam as you will BYU at this point. If the AAC wants to get west, it needs to add a full-fledged western division with anyone *other* than BYU (and Memphis can't be "west").
Completely agree.
So do I. I wish people would check their delusions at the door.
First this board proclaims "expansion and realignment are over."
At the same time, they throw up threads promoting AAC expansion candidates
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-18-2014 11:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: Lets be honest here. BYU has attempted to adopt Notre Dames old independence model that even Notre Dame was having trouble with. BYU is not Notre Dame.
That said, BYU has something Notre Dame didn't have---a tv network. If anyone can make this version of independence work, its BYU. Personally, I think BYU is Aresco's white whale, but its not going to happen. The best Aresco might pull off (which I'd be fine with) is a Notre Dame style deal (just saw that Pesik beat me to the punch on that one).
BYU would join as a non-football member of the AAC and agree to play 4-5 football games a year vs AAC schools. BYU would have access to our bowl package (except for the BCS bowl). Basically, it would be the same deal Notre Dame has with the ACC. Their presence would help us land some better bowls, strengthen our OOC football schedule, and would deepen our Olympic sports.
The football scheduling agreement with the AAC would help to solve BYU's most pressing problem---scheduling late season football games.
What are you calling their NBC deal? Heck, they get broadcast tv every weekend.
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
BYU is the school required for the AAC to have a true Western Division:
Western Division
BYU
Boise State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Colorado State
Air Force
UNLV
SMU
Houston
Tulsa
Eastern Division
UConn
Army
Temple
Navy
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Tulane
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RE: Is BYU Aresco's End Goal?
(04-19-2014 08:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: BYU is simply not joining anyone other than a Power 5 conference. It's about branding image for them even beyond the TV money and BYUtv. At a base level, they absolutely CANNOT psychologically allow Utah to have the upperhand. Independence, even with scheduling issues late in the year, allows BYU to argue (whether it's right or wrong) that they're "special" compared to Utah ("We have our own ESPN contract and national fan base that Utah couldn't ever pull off"). Joining a G5 league is admitting that they're inferior to Utah and they (their alums and LDS leaders) just won't allow that to happen. The AAC made a HUGE mistake in deluding themselves that they ever had a chance at BYU 2 years ago and it cost them Boise and SDSU. You'll get as much traction going after Notre Dam as you will BYU at this point. If the AAC wants to get west, it needs to add a full-fledged western division with anyone *other* than BYU (and Memphis can't be "west").
If I recall right didn't BYU in their negotiations, rumor was they were willing to commit to the AAC if they got a Notre Dame type deal, so how's that being delusional? In fact the Coach was all for joining as well as the fan base when the AAC was the Big East, it was the LDS leadership that balked, because the BE would not agree to such a deal.
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(This post was last modified: 04-21-2014 10:56 AM by BIgCatonProwl.)
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