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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:07 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.
To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?
I'm not sure one the 7 scholly players thing, but Anderson left him : Mike Dixon, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey, Ricardo Ratliffe and Kim English. They only went 7 deep that season. Plus he joined the infamous ranks of a coach that has lost to a 15 seed as a 2 seed.
With Boeheim and Krykryszki.
He had a helluva year his 1st year at Mizzou. Does he get judged by his 30-5 season or his round of 64 exit?
I know Canes has more insight being familiar w/ Miami, but the guy has has some success as a coach.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:18 PM)Latilleon Wrote: So UTK and Mizzou are open and no one is worried about either getting Josh Pastner?
I know UTK is a joke, but Mizzou has serious basketball ambitions and big money backing.
I mean, they hired Frank Haith so anything is possible.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: We sure do. No other coach they've ever hired has the experience and namesake (Outside of Manning, who was an assistant) at the time of their hire. Doesn't really matter if someone thinks he can coach or not. It's entirely about public perception and it's positive thus far for the AAC.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, wut?
Let me make this easy for you. Everything here is relevant to TULSA, their program and by extention the conference. Not whether or not YOU think the man can coach. The AAC can claim current National Champions, a former Coach of the Year, etc., etc, etc. Get it?
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:07 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.
To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?
I'm not sure one the 7 scholly players thing, but Anderson left him : Mike Dixon, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey, Ricardo Ratliffe and Kim English. They only went 7 deep that season. Plus he joined the infamous ranks of a coach that has lost to a 15 seed as a 2 seed.
With Boeheim and Krykryszki.
He had a helluva year his 1st year at Mizzou. Does he get judged by his 30-5 season or his round of 64 exit?
I know Canes has more insight being familiar w/ Miami, but the guy has has some success as a coach.
He most definitely gets judged by his postseason, as do all coaches.
Exactly how much success has he had as a coach? 3 second rounds in the NCAAs. Sheesh, Pastner almost has that and we at like he's the worst thing since pre-sliced bread.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:23 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: We sure do. No other coach they've ever hired has the experience and namesake (Outside of Manning, who was an assistant) at the time of their hire. Doesn't really matter if someone thinks he can coach or not. It's entirely about public perception and it's positive thus far for the AAC.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, wut?
Let me make this easy for you. Everything here is relevant to TULSA, their program and by extention the conference. Not whether or not YOU think the man can coach. The AAC can claim current National Champions, a former Coach of the Year, etc., etc, etc. Get it?
Whoe cares about AP coaches of the year? Can you name 1 singular person besides you, knowing that Matt Doherty got one of those? Hell, lets just have someone hire him back and throw a great big party.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:25 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:07 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.
To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?
I'm not sure one the 7 scholly players thing, but Anderson left him : Mike Dixon, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey, Ricardo Ratliffe and Kim English. They only went 7 deep that season. Plus he joined the infamous ranks of a coach that has lost to a 15 seed as a 2 seed.
With Boeheim and Krykryszki.
He had a helluva year his 1st year at Mizzou. Does he get judged by his 30-5 season or his round of 64 exit?
I know Canes has more insight being familiar w/ Miami, but the guy has has some success as a coach.
He most definitely gets judged by his postseason, as do all coaches.
Exactly how much success has he had as a coach? 3 second rounds in the NCAAs. Sheesh, Pastner almost has that and we at like he's the worst thing since pre-sliced bread.
Dude's making 2.65MM and isn't going anywhere. Had USC offer him more last year and has at least two more years of round of 64/32 exits before the good fans and money folk get restless.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:14 PM)Pony94 Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.
MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?
Robo Doh
You see what I'm saying. Obviously an AP National Coach of the Year is worth about as much as, well.....
Lets put it this way:
Matt Doherty- 1 AP NCOY
Frank Haith- 1 AP NCOY
Larry Brown- 0 (zero) AP NCOY.
So I guess Greg Marshall, or Bill Self..hell even John Wooden thought it wasn't worth the time of day to accept a meaningless award. Lmao..
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:30 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:14 PM)Pony94 Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.
MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?
Robo Doh
You see what I'm saying. Obviously an AP National Coach of the Year is worth about as much as, well.....
Lets put it this way:
Matt Doherty- 1 AP NCOY
Frank Haith- 1 AP NCOY
Larry Brown- 0 (zero) AP NCOY.
So I guess Greg Marshall, or Bill Self..hell even John Wooden thought it wasn't worth the time of day to accept a meaningless award. Lmao..
They're all great because of their own resumes (Marshall aside, it's yet to be seen if he is great), not because they appear on this crappy list.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:27 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:23 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: We sure do. No other coach they've ever hired has the experience and namesake (Outside of Manning, who was an assistant) at the time of their hire. Doesn't really matter if someone thinks he can coach or not. It's entirely about public perception and it's positive thus far for the AAC.
Uhhhhhhhhhh, wut?
Let me make this easy for you. Everything here is relevant to TULSA, their program and by extention the conference. Not whether or not YOU think the man can coach. The AAC can claim current National Champions, a former Coach of the Year, etc., etc, etc. Get it?
Whoe cares about AP coaches of the year? Can you name 1 singular person besides you, knowing that Matt Doherty got one of those? Hell, lets just have someone hire him back and throw a great big party.
Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
What's dumb is your ignorance and inability to grasp when someone says everything is relevant toTulsa's program. Now you're just arguing for the sake of it. This will not end well for you.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Dude's making 2.65MM and isn't going anywhere. Had USC offer him more last year and has at least two more years of round of 64/32 exits before the good fans and money folk get restless.
Well, I only bring up Pastner to expose TBS's hypocracy. Pastner has objectively a better resume tha Haith, and Bluesky lambastes him whenever possible. But Tulsa hires Frank Freakin' Haith and we need to have a parade. Next someone will rehire Mike Davis and he can erect a shrine in his front yard.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:32 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:30 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:14 PM)Pony94 Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?
Robo Doh
You see what I'm saying. Obviously an AP National Coach of the Year is worth about as much as, well.....
Lets put it this way:
Matt Doherty- 1 AP NCOY
Frank Haith- 1 AP NCOY
Larry Brown- 0 (zero) AP NCOY.
So I guess Greg Marshall, or Bill Self..hell even John Wooden thought it wasn't worth the time of day to accept a meaningless award. Lmao..
They're all great because of their own resumes (Marshall aside, it's yet to be seen if he is great), not because they appear on this crappy list.
Again, it's all relevant to Tulsa. Embrace this and you'll stop posting ignorant replies.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:33 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: What's dumb is your ignorance and inability to grasp when someone says everything is relevant toTulsa's program. Now you're just arguing for the sake of it. This will not end well for you.
Dude, if you can't see that this is already over, you haven't been paying attention.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:35 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Again, it's all relevant to Tulsa. Embrace this and you'll stop posting ignorant replies.
Trying to rationalize hiring a bad coach is ridiculous. Tulsa has had great coaches, has been to teh Sweet 16 and Elite 8. They're now in a bigger league, and hiring a piss poor coach is never a good thing. Look what happened to SMU when they hired Doherty. How did that work out?
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:34 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote: Dude's making 2.65MM and isn't going anywhere. Had USC offer him more last year and has at least two more years of round of 64/32 exits before the good fans and money folk get restless.
Well, I only bring up Pastner to expose TBS's hypocracy. Pastner has objectively a better resume tha Haith, and Bluesky lambastes him whenever possible. But Tulsa hires Frank Freakin' Haith and we need to have a parade. Next someone will rehire Mike Davis and he can erect a shrine in his front yard.
Wrong yet again. It has zero to do with coaching ability here. I've repeatedly said what the national pundits have. It's good perception wise forTulsa and the AAC. It remains to be seen what on court success he'll have. However, it's good for the conference and that's what matters for me and apparently many here are in agreement. Sorry but those are the facts.
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Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:39 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:35 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Again, it's all relevant to Tulsa. Embrace this and you'll stop posting ignorant replies.
Trying to rationalize hiring a bad coach is ridiculous. Tulsa has had great coaches, has been to teh Sweet 16 and Elite 8. They're now in a bigger league, and hiring a piss poor coach is never a good thing. Look what happened to SMU when they hired Doherty. How did that work out?
We made awesome videos for RoboDoh
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
Let me take a card from TigerBlueSky:
TBS, have you actually SEEN Haith coach? Have you met him? Shook his hand? Listened to him talk to a group?
Nope, you heard of him in 2012. Take it from someone who knows.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:41 PM)Pony94 Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:39 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote: (04-17-2014 09:35 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Again, it's all relevant to Tulsa. Embrace this and you'll stop posting ignorant replies.
Trying to rationalize hiring a bad coach is ridiculous. Tulsa has had great coaches, has been to teh Sweet 16 and Elite 8. They're now in a bigger league, and hiring a piss poor coach is never a good thing. Look what happened to SMU when they hired Doherty. How did that work out?
We made awesome videos for RoboDoh
Got rid of him, and hired a guy with zero AP Coaching awards, now look at you guys. About to take over.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
We might as well settle back. Results will tell us if Haith is/was a good hire.
As for perception, I don't know exactly why he's perceived as a good hire, but Haith is a name-brand coach who won a 'prestigious' award. In comparison, Tulsa is pretty much a nothing.
There are some of us who are thinking....hmmmm, the coach who was implicated in the Miami scandal...hmmmm...is he gettin' out while the gettin's good...?
All perceptions and speculation aside, though---can we get, or do we want any of their players who might want to transfer?
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:41 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote: Wrong yet again. It has zero to do with coaching ability here. I've repeatedly said what the national pundits have. It's good perception wise forTulsa and the AAC. It remains to be seen what on court success he'll have. However, it's good for the conference and that's what matters for me and apparently many here are in agreement. Sorry but those are the facts.
Uhhhhhhhh, wut? How is a coaching hire really, truly about anything else but coaching?
The mental gymnastics that are going on are truly astounding.
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RE: Frank Haith heading to Tulsa
(04-17-2014 09:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote: We might as well settle back. Results will tell us if Haith is/was a good hire.
As for perception, I don't know exactly why he's perceived as a good hire, but Haith is a name-brand coach who won a 'prestigious' award. In comparison, Tulsa is pretty much a nothing.
There are some of us who are thinking....hmmmm, the coach who was implicated in the Miami scandal...hmmmm...is he gettin' out while the gettin's good...?
All perceptions and speculation aside, though---can we get, or do we want any of their players who might want to transfer?
Yup, time will sort all of this out.
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