(04-17-2014 08:09 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:05 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  I actually have facts on my side. Stats per se. You have nothing but your own opinion on the man, and as usual you're in the obscure minority. But by all means don't let that get in the way of a good argument with yourself.

Starting telling me about the stats then, Coach. This should be gr8.

Again, 2012 AP Coach of the Year is all I need to say. Don't matter if he's average or even pathetic in your mind. It's a former Coach of the Year that's going to freakin Tulsa of all places. Just please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Is that all you have? One "CoY" with another man's team, handed out before his 2 seed lost to a 15?

(04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.

To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?

Not the best postseason coach, eh?

(04-17-2014 08:29 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:09 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:05 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  I actually have facts on my side. Stats per se. You have nothing but your own opinion on the man, and as usual you're in the obscure minority. But by all means don't let that get in the way of a good argument with yourself.

Starting telling me about the stats then, Coach. This should be gr8.

Again, 2012 AP Coach of the Year is all I need to say. Don't matter if he's average or even pathetic in your mind. It's a former Coach of the Year that's going to freakin Tulsa of all places. Just please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Is that all you have? One "CoY" with another man's team, handed out before his 2 seed lost to a 15?

Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

(04-17-2014 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.

To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?

That sounds accurate.

(04-17-2014 08:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004–2010)

2004–2005 Miami 16–13 7–9 T–6th NIT First Round
2005–2006 Miami 18–16 7–9 T–7th NIT Quarterfinals
2006–2007 Miami 12–20 4–12 12th
2007–2008 Miami 23–11 8–8 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2008–2009 Miami 19–13 7–9 T–7th NIT Second Round
2009–2010 Miami 20–13 4–12 12th
2010–2011 Miami 21–15 6–10 9th
NIT Quarterfinals Miami: 129–101 (.561) 43–69 (.384)


Missouri Tigers (Big 12 Conference) (2011–2012)
2011–2012 Missouri 30–5 14–4 2nd NCAA Second Round

Missouri Tigers (Southeastern Conference)
2012–2013 Missouri 23–11 11–7 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2013–2014 Missouri 24–12 9–9 T–6th NIT Second Round
Missouri: 76–28 (.731) 34–19 (.642)

Why did Missouri hire Haith when all he did at Miami was go to ONE NCAA tourney in 7 years? That's what I don't understand. Can anybody tell me that? It just seems strange that Mizzou would hire someone with such an underwhelming record. I recognize that Mike Anderson left Mizzou rather abruptly, but still...Frank Haith at Mizzou?

It 'looks' like a 'steal' from the $EC, but the trend for Haith at Mizzou was not good - especially considering that he was utilizing Anderson's recruit during his first and best year. This is a head-scratcher, but it wouldn't be the first time an underwhelming coach left a school to get a couple of more years on the 'head coach' clock/salary like:

Herb Sendek (NCSU to ASU)/Dave Odom (Wake Forest to South Carolina)/Pat Kennedy (DePaul to Montana)/Tubby Smith (Kentucky to Minnesota).

In all 4 cases, the coaching record at the next school was also underwhelming.

There's only one redeeming quality about Haith compared to the Sendek/Odom/Kennedy/Smith quartet: he is still fairly young compared to those 4 coaches.

I don't think Tulsa will amount to much with Haith as their coach.

He may not win but they decided to go from $400,000 to over a million a year meaning they want to succeed

(04-17-2014 08:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004–2010)

2004–2005 Miami 16–13 7–9 T–6th NIT First Round
2005–2006 Miami 18–16 7–9 T–7th NIT Quarterfinals
2006–2007 Miami 12–20 4–12 12th
2007–2008 Miami 23–11 8–8 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2008–2009 Miami 19–13 7–9 T–7th NIT Second Round
2009–2010 Miami 20–13 4–12 12th
2010–2011 Miami 21–15 6–10 9th
NIT Quarterfinals Miami: 129–101 (.561) 43–69 (.384)


Missouri Tigers (Big 12 Conference) (2011–2012)
2011–2012 Missouri 30–5 14–4 2nd NCAA Second Round

Missouri Tigers (Southeastern Conference)
2012–2013 Missouri 23–11 11–7 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2013–2014 Missouri 24–12 9–9 T–6th NIT Second Round
Missouri: 76–28 (.731) 34–19 (.642)

And there we have it.

(04-17-2014 08:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  He may not win but they decided to go from $400,000 to over a million a year meaning they want to succeed

If they really wanted to succeed they wouldn't have hired Haith. Bodes well for the next coach after Haith is fired. Or after he leaves to take a job at the University of Texas Pan American.

(04-17-2014 08:11 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  It is a good hire for Tulsa in the sense that they took a coach from a "bigger" and more "prestigious" basketball program and they can tout the fact that he was the national coach of the year in 2012. Now, as far as actually being a good coach? Well, history is not really that much on his side. He had one great regular season that was promptly followed up by a 1st round loss to a 15 seed.

Thing is he will fit right in as far as not being a good bench Coach.. It was a good hire for Tulsa..


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(04-17-2014 08:57 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2004–2010)

2004–2005 Miami 16–13 7–9 T–6th NIT First Round
2005–2006 Miami 18–16 7–9 T–7th NIT Quarterfinals
2006–2007 Miami 12–20 4–12 12th
2007–2008 Miami 23–11 8–8 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2008–2009 Miami 19–13 7–9 T–7th NIT Second Round
2009–2010 Miami 20–13 4–12 12th
2010–2011 Miami 21–15 6–10 9th
NIT Quarterfinals Miami: 129–101 (.561) 43–69 (.384)


Missouri Tigers (Big 12 Conference) (2011–2012)
2011–2012 Missouri 30–5 14–4 2nd NCAA Second Round

Missouri Tigers (Southeastern Conference)
2012–2013 Missouri 23–11 11–7 T–5th NCAA Second Round
2013–2014 Missouri 24–12 9–9 T–6th NIT Second Round
Missouri: 76–28 (.731) 34–19 (.642)

And there we have it.

We sure do. No other coach they've ever hired has the experience and namesake (Outside of Manning, who was an assistant) at the time of their hire. Doesn't really matter if someone thinks he can coach or not. It's entirely about public perception and it's positive thus far for the AAC.

(04-17-2014 08:35 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:26 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  I don't think it was smart for Tulsa.....it was for Hait however.
All you need to know is that Haith's Tigers lost to Georgia TWICE this year, Ole Priss,Vanderbilt,Alabama, and to UT by 37.
Missouri was going downhill fast...and he had run out of Anderson's players without bringing in any good ones of his own...which explains why Missouri was in the NIT...AND lost to Southern Mississippi.

To be fair --- wasn't Haith's first season after Anderson the season he was left with only 7 scholarship players and the season he went the 30-5 and won NC of the Year?

I'm not sure one the 7 scholly players thing, but Anderson left him : Mike Dixon, Marcus Denmon, Phil Pressey, Ricardo Ratliffe and Kim English. They only went 7 deep that season. Plus he joined the infamous ranks of a coach that has lost to a 15 seed as a 2 seed.

(04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?

(04-17-2014 09:03 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  We sure do. No other coach they've ever hired has the experience and namesake (Outside of Manning, who was an assistant) at the time of their hire. Doesn't really matter if someone thinks he can coach or not. It's entirely about public perception and it's positive thus far for the AAC.

Uhhhhhhhhhh, wut?

(04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?

Coach K and Coach Boheim both were 2 seeds that lost to on 15 seeds. What's your point? Also, how many coaches of the year has TULSA ever hired? Also, Matt Doherty was at UNC when he won that award. A far cry from Tulsa don't you think? Again, public perception is great for the AAC with this hire. Don't really care if you think he can coach or not.

(04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?

Robo Doh

(04-17-2014 08:42 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Why did Missouri hire Haith when all he did at Miami was go to ONE NCAA tourney in 7 years? That's what I don't understand. Can anybody tell me that? It just seems strange that Mizzou would hire someone with such an underwhelming record. I recognize that Mike Anderson left Mizzou rather abruptly, but still...Frank Haith at Mizzou?

It 'looks' like a 'steal' from the $EC, but the trend for Haith at Mizzou was not good - especially considering that he was utilizing Anderson's recruit during his first and best year. This is a head-scratcher, but it wouldn't be the first time an underwhelming coach left a school to get a couple of more years on the 'head coach' clock/salary like:

Herb Sendek (NCSU to ASU)/Dave Odom (Wake Forest to South Carolina)/Pat Kennedy (DePaul to Montana)/Tubby Smith (Kentucky to Minnesota).

In all 4 cases, the coaching record at the next school was also underwhelming.

There's only one redeeming quality about Haith compared to the Sendek/Odom/Kennedy/Smith quartet: he is still fairly young compared to those 4 coaches.

I don't think Tulsa will amount to much with Haith as their coach.

Mizzou's hire of Frank Haith was largely seen as the worst coaching hire in recent memory by a "BCS" program. Haith was maybe one season away from being fired at Miami; He may have even been weeks away. The seat was getting hot, which is why he left. Why Mizzou decided to hire him is anyone's guess; I think they just didn't so their homework.

Tulsa really has no excuse, because they should've seen what happened to Mizzou after he took over.

(04-17-2014 09:12 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?

Coach K and Coach Boheim both were 2 seeds that lost to on 15 seeds. What's your point? Also, how many coaches of the year has TULSA ever hired?

They've also been to TONS of tourneys and have won multiple NCs. That makes Haith look even worse, he's only been 3 times and one of those was one of the worst losses in the history of the world.

So UTK and Mizzou are open and no one is worried about either getting Josh Pastner?

I know UTK is a joke, but Mizzou has serious basketball ambitions and big money backing.

(04-17-2014 09:14 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 09:09 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:38 PM)Tigerbluesky Wrote:  Is that all I have? Lmao.. When was the last time a program with Tulsa's stature has been able to claim an AP Coach of the Year? Again, please stop. It's been established by everyone on God's Green Earth but yourself that it's a good to great hire and positive for the AAC.

MATT DOHERTY WON AP NCoY ONCE!!!!!! What is your point?

Robo Doh

You see what I'm saying. Obviously an AP National Coach of the Year is worth about as much as, well.....

Lets put it this way:

Matt Doherty- 1 AP NCOY
Frank Haith- 1 AP NCOY
Larry Brown- 0 (zero) AP NCOY.