(04-17-2014 12:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:30 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:18 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Hard not to agree with Acoog. My thoughts exactly. It's too bad everyone got cold feet when we couldn't convince ESPN to pay more...even a couple of mil more/team would have kept Boise with that scenario and played very few crossover games (requiring big travel). Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in the future though.

The AAC media contract was signed before the ACC grant of rights. Given the ACC grant of rights, decent TV ratings to date, and appearances and wins in the Fiesta Bowl and Men's Basketball National Championship, the AAC's contract should probably be valued in the range of $4 mil/year.

Assuming the conference stays intact and the AAC negotiators can do a somewhat satisfactory job at contract renewal or re-negotation, I wonder if Boise and SDSU would consider jumping back. No offense to other "TU" fans, but the Tulane and Tulsa invites in that case would likely be net-negative versus staying at 10...

Not so sure Temple is any more valuable a brand than the TU's.

I understand everyone is down on Temple because of the past season, but the current TV deal specifically cites Houston, Cincy, UConn, and Temple as "Group A" members. This means if any two of those leave, or one plus a Group B member, the TV contract will be null. You would assume ESPN inserted that provision for those schools because they are high value members in the AAC, at least in terms of a TV deal.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

(04-17-2014 02:31 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:30 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:18 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Hard not to agree with Acoog. My thoughts exactly. It's too bad everyone got cold feet when we couldn't convince ESPN to pay more...even a couple of mil more/team would have kept Boise with that scenario and played very few crossover games (requiring big travel). Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in the future though.

The AAC media contract was signed before the ACC grant of rights. Given the ACC grant of rights, decent TV ratings to date, and appearances and wins in the Fiesta Bowl and Men's Basketball National Championship, the AAC's contract should probably be valued in the range of $4 mil/year.

Assuming the conference stays intact and the AAC negotiators can do a somewhat satisfactory job at contract renewal or re-negotation, I wonder if Boise and SDSU would consider jumping back. No offense to other "TU" fans, but the Tulane and Tulsa invites in that case would likely be net-negative versus staying at 10...

Not so sure Temple is any more valuable a brand than the TU's.

I understand everyone is down on Temple because of the past season, but the current TV deal specifically cites Houston, Cincy, UConn, and Temple as "Group A" members. This means if any two of those leave, or one plus a Group B member, the TV contract will be null. You would assume ESPN inserted that provision for those schools because they are high value members in the AAC, at least in terms of a TV deal.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

Good point.

Quote:

Tallgrass, that's your cue!

There will never be a western wing unless all hell breaks loose and the aac takes heavy casualties. Our commish knows what every p5 commish and tv execs know, realignment for now is over until texas says so then its game on and I think deals and scenarios are already in the bank. Aresco is not adding anymore g5's. Those 4 spots are for espn to fill from big12 leftovers if we continue to excel. Aresco knows we could become the replacement p5 league if the big12 gets destoyed. A whole owned entity of espn

"now that realignment has settled"????

i don't think it has settled. we still have scheduled departures and scheduled arrivals. we still have schools desperately seeking other conference memberships (some in our own conference).

(04-17-2014 06:13 PM)e-bethMSU Wrote:  we still have schools desperately seeking other conference memberships (some in our own conference).

True, but what we don't have is other conferences seeking new members.

(04-17-2014 06:13 PM)e-bethMSU Wrote:  "now that realignment has settled"????

i don't think it has settled. we still have scheduled departures and scheduled arrivals. we still have schools desperately seeking other conference memberships (some in our own conference).

Yeah. I was one that thought realignment had entered a quiet phase and would be so until the Big-12 GOR was done. The Big-12 looked happy at 10. Everyone seemed settled. Then--out of the blue--the Big 10, the most deliberate and selective of the major conferences decided to add schools. The Big-10, who had sat at 11 schools for 20 years because they saw nobody worthy---( then, when they did finally add a 12th school, it was football blue blood Nebraska)--had decided to add Maryland and Rutgers??? Nobody saw that crap coming.

Ever since then, I've been forced to accept that realignment can come from any direction at anytime.

(04-17-2014 02:31 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:36 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:30 PM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 12:18 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Hard not to agree with Acoog. My thoughts exactly. It's too bad everyone got cold feet when we couldn't convince ESPN to pay more...even a couple of mil more/team would have kept Boise with that scenario and played very few crossover games (requiring big travel). Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen in the future though.

The AAC media contract was signed before the ACC grant of rights. Given the ACC grant of rights, decent TV ratings to date, and appearances and wins in the Fiesta Bowl and Men's Basketball National Championship, the AAC's contract should probably be valued in the range of $4 mil/year.

Assuming the conference stays intact and the AAC negotiators can do a somewhat satisfactory job at contract renewal or re-negotation, I wonder if Boise and SDSU would consider jumping back. No offense to other "TU" fans, but the Tulane and Tulsa invites in that case would likely be net-negative versus staying at 10...

Not so sure Temple is any more valuable a brand than the TU's.

I understand everyone is down on Temple because of the past season, but the current TV deal specifically cites Houston, Cincy, UConn, and Temple as "Group A" members. This means if any two of those leave, or one plus a Group B member, the TV contract will be null. You would assume ESPN inserted that provision for those schools because they are high value members in the AAC, at least in terms of a TV deal.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

No sorry, 1 bad season negates 70 good ones.

(04-17-2014 11:07 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 10:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I know those were desperate times, but the BE should have held off on the Times Square jumbotron announcements until the schools were actually in the league. I guess the idea was to put it up to make it tangible alla, "Seeing is believing."

Honestly if the BCS and AQ status had stuck around, I think Boise would have as well.

In all honesty I would have been ok with staying in a BE that had TCU, BSU, SDSU & BYU. Having those four would have more than made up for loosing WV, cuse and pitt.

(04-17-2014 08:29 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 11:07 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 10:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I know those were desperate times, but the BE should have held off on the Times Square jumbotron announcements until the schools were actually in the league. I guess the idea was to put it up to make it tangible alla, "Seeing is believing."

Honestly if the BCS and AQ status had stuck around, I think Boise would have as well.

In all honesty I would have been ok with staying in a BE that had TCU, BSU, SDSU & BYU. Having those four would have more than made up for loosing WV, cuse and pitt.

That's the difference between reality and perception though. Cuse and Pitt have pedigree -- past National Championships -- and WVU was close in the last 30 years. No one else in the American has that.

And if the Big 10 hadn't come calling, we would have been there, like it or not. We had no other home and the ACC wasn't interested in us. We can simply thank the other 9 million Jerseyans that make up the cable market that we got in.

(04-17-2014 11:42 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 11:07 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 10:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I know those were desperate times, but the BE should have held off on the Times Square jumbotron announcements until the schools were actually in the league. I guess the idea was to put it up to make it tangible alla, "Seeing is believing."

Honestly if the BCS and AQ status had stuck around, I think Boise would have as well.

It's remarkable how things have worked out for the AAC...

In a lot of ways, I think there was a lot of unforeseen addition through subtraction, as we parted ways with the defectors, and the conference has benefited as a more cohesive group.

Boise has since lost their coach, and the C7 had a very underwhelming year.

The AAC all things considered is in a decent spot...has the most exposure of the G5 and appears to have the upper hand in the Access Bowl Slot and is a Major Player in Basketball...

(04-17-2014 02:18 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I feel the same way about adding a western wing to the AAC as I feel about adding UMass.

Cool, then we'll do both...

East div: UMASS / UCONN / Temple / Cincy / ECU / UCF / USF / Army(fo) / Navy(fo)

Central Div: Memphis / Tulane / Houston / SMU / Tulsa / NewMexico / AirForce / Colo St / Wyoming

West Div: Hawaii(fo) / SanJose(fo) / Fresno / SanDiego St / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St / BYU

Non football members: Gonzaga, St Mary's, Wichita St, VCU, Dayton & St Louis

The AAC may have problems reaching the access bowl. BSU had BCS bowls because of weak competition in the WAC.

No team in CUSA has ever gained a BCS bowl. Was this due to more balance? When SMiss prevented UH from reaching a BCS bowl in 2011, SMiss finished the season ranked #19 and #20 in the polls.

AAC has more high level teams than the MWC. Will the conference have difficulty getting the access bowl because its teams beat each other and no one goes undefeated most years?

(04-19-2014 10:24 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  The AAC may have problems reaching the access bowl. BSU had BCS bowls because of weak competition in the WAC.

No team in CUSA has ever gained a BCS bowl. Was this due to more balance? When SMiss prevented UH from reaching a BCS bowl in 2011, SMiss finished the season ranked #19 and #20 in the polls.

AAC has more high level teams than the MWC. Will the conference have difficulty getting the access bowl because its teams beat each other and no one goes undefeated most years?

I think that is highly likely to happen. Who was picked to win the conference last year at the start of the FB season?? Who won?
I see the teams at the bottom being competitive right away. I also see several teams who can compete for the top next FB season.

(04-17-2014 10:40 AM)SouthPhillyFall Wrote:  How weird does this look?

Shrug, Boise paid for it and then some (or will pay once the court case is settled).

(04-18-2014 09:43 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 08:29 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 11:07 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(04-17-2014 10:55 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I know those were desperate times, but the BE should have held off on the Times Square jumbotron announcements until the schools were actually in the league. I guess the idea was to put it up to make it tangible alla, "Seeing is believing."

Honestly if the BCS and AQ status had stuck around, I think Boise would have as well.

In all honesty I would have been ok with staying in a BE that had TCU, BSU, SDSU & BYU. Having those four would have more than made up for loosing WV, cuse and pitt.

That's the difference between reality and perception though. Cuse and Pitt have pedigree -- past National Championships -- and WVU was close in the last 30 years. No one else in the American has that.

And if the Big 10 hadn't come calling, we would have been there, like it or not. We had no other home and the ACC wasn't interested in us. We can simply thank the other 9 million Jerseyans that make up the cable market that we got in.

If the B-10 had not grabbed Rutgers and Maryland the B-12 would have them along with L'Ville, Cinn, and UConn to take WV off the Island.

B-12 North - Rutgers, UConn, WV, Cinn, L'Ville, Iowa St, Kansas.
B-12 south - Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU, Texas Tech,
Kansas St.

Not a bad conference. Southern football and NE BB with Kansas and L'Ville. Kind of like the American with larger schools.

(04-17-2014 05:34 PM)Tigersmoke Wrote:  There will never be a western wing unless all hell breaks loose and the aac takes heavy casualties. Our commish knows what every p5 commish and tv execs know, realignment for now is over until texas says so then its game on and I think deals and scenarios are already in the bank. Aresco is not adding anymore g5's. Those 4 spots are for espn to fill from big12 leftovers if we continue to excel. Aresco knows we could become the replacement p5 league if the big12 gets destoyed. A whole owned entity of espn

This ^^^^^^^^

(04-19-2014 10:24 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  The AAC may have problems reaching the access bowl. BSU had BCS bowls because of weak competition in the WAC.

No team in CUSA has ever gained a BCS bowl. Was this due to more balance? When SMiss prevented UH from reaching a BCS bowl in 2011, SMiss finished the season ranked #19 and #20 in the polls.

AAC has more high level teams than the MWC. Will the conference have difficulty getting the access bowl because its teams beat each other and no one goes undefeated most years?

I tend to agree. If we manage to get 3 of the next 6 Access bids we will be doing well. I think this conf will consistently have 4 to 6 teams that are more than capable of knocking off who ever is the big boy in conference in any particular year.

(04-18-2014 09:43 AM)megadrone Wrote:  That's the difference between reality and perception though. Cuse and Pitt have pedigree -- past National Championships -- and WVU was close in the last 30 years. No one else in the American has that.

Not true. Both Houston and SMU have similar pedigree. Both come close to National Championships. NAVY brings pedigree. All three of those programs have Heisman Trophy Winners.

Cuse and Pitts accomplishments were already history by the time SMU and Houston were winning SWC titles. There is plenty pedigree in this conference.

(04-20-2014 09:55 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-18-2014 09:43 AM)megadrone Wrote:  That's the difference between reality and perception though. Cuse and Pitt have pedigree -- past National Championships -- and WVU was close in the last 30 years. No one else in the American has that.

Not true. Both Houston and SMU have similar pedigree. Both come close to National Championships. NAVY brings pedigree. All three of those programs have Heisman Trophy Winners.

Cuse and Pitts accomplishments were already history by the time SMU and Houston were winning SWC titles. There is plenty pedigree in this conference.

Please. SMU's glory years are tied to the death penalty. Cuse and Pitt werent' cheating, denying they were cheating, getting caught for cheating, and then cheating some more.

Houston had a great 3 year run in the late 70s. But not NCs.