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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
By the way, the "Autonomy" portion of the governance proposal was released today. Its not good. Essentially, limited autonomous powers are being granted to the P5. The P5 are being given the power to act on their own within certain defined parameters. Outside of these parameters, the P5 would need the approval of the rest of D1 as they always have. These areas of autonomy will fall into 2 categories---"Permissive" and "Actionable". Any P5 changes that are adopted in the "Permissive" category are automatically approved for the entire P5 and can be adopted by the G5 or any D1 school without any further action. Any P5 changes that are adopted in the "Actionable" category are then operable for the P5----but must be approved by the rest of D1 before any school, outside of the P5 can adopt them. To see what falls in each category of the P5 Autonomy legislation, you will need to read the following NCAA document. This is still a draft document. The NCAA is having a big meeting to discuss this draft document next week. I think there could be fireworks from the G5. The key sections are pages 34-41.


http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/....24.14.pdf
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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
I saw Hitt on the list of presidents. Where does he stand right now and what does he know.
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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
(04-18-2014 06:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  By the way, the "Autonomy" portion of the governance proposal was released today. Its not good. Essentially, limited autonomous powers are being granted to the P5. The P5 are being given the power to act on their own within certain defined parameters. Outside of these parameters, the P5 would need the approval of the rest of D1 as they always have. These areas of autonomy will fall into 2 categories---"Permissive" and "Actionable". Any P5 changes that are adopted in the "Permissive" category are automatically approved for the entire P5 and can be adopted by the G5 or any D1 school without any further action. Any P5 changes that are adopted in the "Actionable" category are then operable for the P5----but must be approved by the rest of D1 before any school, outside of the P5 can adopt them. To see what falls in each category of the P5 Autonomy legislation, you will need to read the following NCAA document. This is still a draft document. The NCAA is having a big meeting to discuss this draft document next week. I think there could be fireworks from the G5. The key sections are pages 34-41.


http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/....24.14.pdf

I agree and just read a bunch of it. This was crafted by the so called P5, with specific wording to seriously empower these 5 conferences and drastically minimize the AAC. Suggest you all read attached file, and contact your school administration and AAC offices and demand action.
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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
These are the areas where the P5 could change the rules they operate under, but the G5 could not match without the approval of the rest of D1 (these are called "actionable" areas of autonomy). Keep in mind, there is NO override component for the rest of D1 to eliminate a P5 move that is terribly damaging to any other segment of D1.

**Portions of Financial Aid**

This will include rules related to the terms and conditions of awarding aid (e.g., eligibility for aid, period of award, reduction or cancellation, renewals or non-renewals), as the terms and conditions of awarding aid directly impact the student-athlete experience and the ability of each student-athlete to achieve their educational goals.
(NCAA Bylaws 15.3-15.3.5.2—Actionable)


**Expenses and Benefits (Pre-Enrollment Support)**
In the proposed model, the five conferences and their 65-member institutions also would be granted autonomy over regulations addressing expenses and benefits provided prior to enrollment. These rules directly impact student-athlete welfare by permitting assistance to families who would like to visit universities, and who incur other legitimate expenses in connection with the recruiting process. Benefits in this area have the potential to ease a student-athlete’s transition to college (e.g., medical expenses and academic support the summer prior to enrollment, transportation to enroll). Funding such pre-enrollment expenses would provide important support for student-athletes as they evaluate colleges and transition to the college environment.
(NCAA Bylaw 13.2—Actionable)


**Time Demands.**
Given the visibility and demands associated with meeting expectations existing for highly-competitive intercollegiate athletics programs, the five conferences and their 65-member institutions would be granted autonomy to update rules and policies governing time demands in order to permit a more appropriate balance between athletics and other student-athlete activities. This updated approach is intended to reconstruct the time boundaries associated with student-athletes’ commitment to intercollegiate athletics. In addition, design and implementation of “athletic dead periods” for student-athletes would be intended to foster their participation in educational opportunities outside of intercollegiate athletics.
(NCAA Bylaw 17—Actionable)


Eligibility.
The five conferences and their 65-member institutions have not specifically requested academic eligibility requirements as an area for autonomous decision making, and are committed to the Division I shared governance rules in this area. However, attention associated with transfers falls disproportionately to the five conferences and their 65-member institutions, which under the new system would be granted autonomy to modify transfer policies that would provide appropriate flexibility for unique circumstances to address the best interests of student-athletes. Any changes to transfer policy will only be within the five conferences and their 65-member institutions and will not affect other schools and conferences without their approval.
(NCAA Bylaw 14.5.—Actionable)


**Recruiting**
The five conferences and their 65-member institutions would be granted autonomy to revise and establish rules as necessary to address concerns related to the infringement of recruiting activities on prospective student-athletes’ academic preparation.
(NCAA Bylaw 13.1—Actionable)


**Personnel**
Numerous issues, including proliferation of non-coaching personnel, varying titles associated with certain coaching positions, and the breadth of approach to personnel issues present in Division I, combine to establish the need for the five conferences and their 65-member institutions to be granted autonomy to both revise existing personnel definitions and limits, and to establish policies intended to meet the support needs of teams while properly structuring the number of personnel directly or indirectly associated with each sport in a manner consistent with the need for competitive balance.
(NCAA Bylaw 11.7—Actionable)
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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
Attackcoog,

It's almost as the so called P5 crafted these rules to personally limit their greatest competitor, the AAC (and MWC if you will). A shot across the bow. I sure hope Aresco and AAC prez's are fighting this.
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the advantages of being a p5 school
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RE: Wasn't this supposed to be a P5 separation? More food gets approved...
(04-18-2014 07:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  [Image: Golden-Corral-Restaurants-Add-Chocolate-Wonderfall.jpg]


the advantages of being a p5 school

p5 my rear end. p5 is a self appointed term that was forced down your throat. Very cleverly, I might add. It was spouted off by their commishes and you bought it. (I heard Slive repeat it just yesterday). Many programs in the so called p5 are no more powerful than AAC schools. That's why I call the the so called p5 or "p5".
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Does this show what the presidents think of the P5 think of the lawsuits. To craft the rules to make sure they are dropped, or better yet, let the politicians get involved to save their status, or even worse, pressure presidents of G5 conferences (like Hitt). I see this only working as long as the TV contracts hold out.
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Tulane=the new Alabama!05-stirthepot

• Tulane: Between Jacques-Imo's, Cochon (and Cochon Butcher), Dickie Brennan's Steakhouse, the entire Emeril empire, late night cheese fries at F and M and dozens of other glorious eateries, no program should be able to compete with the Green Wave. Meet the new Alabama.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...z2zX2cfv5e

Memphis is the only other AAC member mentioned:

• Memphis: With Gus's Fried Chicken and a bevy of dry-rubbed deliciousness at any number of quality barbecue joints, the Tigers should be national title contenders within three years.
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