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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 09:54 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:35 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  From JMU Board - This was at the end of a long email from Pres. Alger to JMU employees titled "Spring Update" ...

Conference Affiliation Discussions: The topic of athletics conference membership continues to be on the minds of many of our constituents. As we plot our course through a constantly shifting landscape, we remain committed to thoughtful and open communication.

We are well aware of the changing scene within our conference as well as nationally. In response, we have engaged in a rigorous analysis of our athletic profile within the context of our strategic planning process. This process, resulting in The Madison Plan, confirmed our institutional core values: Academic Quality, Community, Diversity, Excellence, Integrity and Student Focus. Further, we determined that any new conference membership opportunity must align with the following guiding principles and criteria: academic profile and fit, university culture, student and student-athlete welfare, financial impact and sustainability, competitive balance, and geographic footprint. Feedback received from the JMU community and its many constituencies through extensive and thoughtful dialogue supports these values and principles, and we will use them as criteria for all future decisions, including those involving athletics.

Consistent with these values and principles and the ongoing issue of conference alignment, JMU will not pursue or accept an invitation from a conference that does not meet our criteria. If we do receive an offer consistent with our established values, we are prepared to review it and make a recommendation to the Board of Visitors. This process is ongoing and will require continued support on the part of the university, students, faculty, staff, coaches, alumni, and fans.

In the meantime, we are enjoying the close of our spring sports season and looking forward to an exciting new year in 2014-15 across our entire athletics program.

As you can tell, it has been an eventful year at JMU. JMU is clearly on the move, and we are excited about the future as we continue to dream big together. Thank you all for being part of the JMU community!

Jon Alger

President

Like I said. They don't want to be with a bunch of deep south rubes. JMU is so academically superior with a better class of people involved with their program that affiliating would cause the walls to collapse and average students would suddenly feel welcome there.

Hold it. The letter states that they would not have brought our potential invite to the BOV if it did not meet "The Madison Plan" criteria. They did bring it to the BOV to vote, so the administration must have felt it met the criteria. BOV voted "no" on an FBS offer that the administration put forward for a vote. All the rest of this is garbage. They had a legit offer for FBS and they blinked. Time to move on.

There was no vote. JMU has said in the past that an actual vote would take place in public session. Besides, an invitation wouldn't even be extended unless the conference knows the school will accept.
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 09:19 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 04:26 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  [Image: airlane-slap-o_zps85f2239f.gif~original]

If they cannot afford it truthfully, then they cannot afford it. Would be the same with Sun Belt, CUSA, or MAC it sounds like. You just would want to shake your administration though if they didn't tell you that long before now. Seems their Carr Report didn't see it the same way their administration does. Guess Liberty is the only potential Virginia candidate left. Would hate to be a Dukes fan under these circumstances.

Keep in mind the Carr Report was completed under the previous JMU administration. Having served on ASU's 1st 1A Study Committee (Carr also did our study) I know the report usually comes back saying what the administration wants it to say. After the conclusion of our study was revealed some on the committee disputed and proved, by the numbers, Carr's conclusions were flawed. Outfits like The Carr Group get future business by gaining recommendations from previous clients. You better believe they are going to give them exactly what they want to hear.

Wrong. It was done on Alger's watch.

Plus the Carr report states that we will see a marked revenue decrease by staying in FCS/CAA. If the Carr report was generated just to say what the admin wanted it to say, then we are looking to go FBS. While not recommending FBS, it clearly states that staying in FCS could be fatal for athletics.

If anyone's interested, the Carr Report is here.

My apologies. I stand corrected. Time has a way of flying by. How long has Alger been at JMU?
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:19 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 04:26 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  [Image: airlane-slap-o_zps85f2239f.gif~original]

If they cannot afford it truthfully, then they cannot afford it. Would be the same with Sun Belt, CUSA, or MAC it sounds like. You just would want to shake your administration though if they didn't tell you that long before now. Seems their Carr Report didn't see it the same way their administration does. Guess Liberty is the only potential Virginia candidate left. Would hate to be a Dukes fan under these circumstances.

Keep in mind the Carr Report was completed under the previous JMU administration. Having served on ASU's 1st 1A Study Committee (Carr also did our study) I know the report usually comes back saying what the administration wants it to say. After the conclusion of our study was revealed some on the committee disputed and proved, by the numbers, Carr's conclusions were flawed. Outfits like The Carr Group get future business by gaining recommendations from previous clients. You better believe they are going to give them exactly what they want to hear.

Wrong. It was done on Alger's watch.

Plus the Carr report states that we will see a marked revenue decrease by staying in FCS/CAA. If the Carr report was generated just to say what the admin wanted it to say, then we are looking to go FBS. While not recommending FBS, it clearly states that staying in FCS could be fatal for athletics.

If anyone's interested, the Carr Report is here.

My apologies. I stand corrected. Time has a way of flying by. How long has Alger been at JMU?

Depending on who you ask, too long or not long enough...? 03-razz

But the factual answer is that he became president on July 1, 2012.
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:20 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:19 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 04:26 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  [Image: airlane-slap-o_zps85f2239f.gif~original]

If they cannot afford it truthfully, then they cannot afford it. Would be the same with Sun Belt, CUSA, or MAC it sounds like. You just would want to shake your administration though if they didn't tell you that long before now. Seems their Carr Report didn't see it the same way their administration does. Guess Liberty is the only potential Virginia candidate left. Would hate to be a Dukes fan under these circumstances.

Keep in mind the Carr Report was completed under the previous JMU administration. Having served on ASU's 1st 1A Study Committee (Carr also did our study) I know the report usually comes back saying what the administration wants it to say. After the conclusion of our study was revealed some on the committee disputed and proved, by the numbers, Carr's conclusions were flawed. Outfits like The Carr Group get future business by gaining recommendations from previous clients. You better believe they are going to give them exactly what they want to hear.

Wrong. It was done on Alger's watch.

Plus the Carr report states that we will see a marked revenue decrease by staying in FCS/CAA. If the Carr report was generated just to say what the admin wanted it to say, then we are looking to go FBS. While not recommending FBS, it clearly states that staying in FCS could be fatal for athletics.

If anyone's interested, the Carr Report is here.

My apologies. I stand corrected. Time has a way of flying by. How long has Alger been at JMU?

Depending on who you ask, too long or not long enough...? 03-razz

But the factual answer is that he became president on July 1, 2012.
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(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.
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(04-16-2014 10:17 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 09:54 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 08:35 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  From JMU Board - This was at the end of a long email from Pres. Alger to JMU employees titled "Spring Update" ...

Conference Affiliation Discussions: The topic of athletics conference membership continues to be on the minds of many of our constituents. As we plot our course through a constantly shifting landscape, we remain committed to thoughtful and open communication.

We are well aware of the changing scene within our conference as well as nationally. In response, we have engaged in a rigorous analysis of our athletic profile within the context of our strategic planning process. This process, resulting in The Madison Plan, confirmed our institutional core values: Academic Quality, Community, Diversity, Excellence, Integrity and Student Focus. Further, we determined that any new conference membership opportunity must align with the following guiding principles and criteria: academic profile and fit, university culture, student and student-athlete welfare, financial impact and sustainability, competitive balance, and geographic footprint. Feedback received from the JMU community and its many constituencies through extensive and thoughtful dialogue supports these values and principles, and we will use them as criteria for all future decisions, including those involving athletics.

Consistent with these values and principles and the ongoing issue of conference alignment, JMU will not pursue or accept an invitation from a conference that does not meet our criteria. If we do receive an offer consistent with our established values, we are prepared to review it and make a recommendation to the Board of Visitors. This process is ongoing and will require continued support on the part of the university, students, faculty, staff, coaches, alumni, and fans.

In the meantime, we are enjoying the close of our spring sports season and looking forward to an exciting new year in 2014-15 across our entire athletics program.

As you can tell, it has been an eventful year at JMU. JMU is clearly on the move, and we are excited about the future as we continue to dream big together. Thank you all for being part of the JMU community!

Jon Alger

President

Like I said. They don't want to be with a bunch of deep south rubes. JMU is so academically superior with a better class of people involved with their program that affiliating would cause the walls to collapse and average students would suddenly feel welcome there.

Hold it. The letter states that they would not have brought our potential invite to the BOV if it did not meet "The Madison Plan" criteria. They did bring it to the BOV to vote, so the administration must have felt it met the criteria. BOV voted "no" on an FBS offer that the administration put forward for a vote. All the rest of this is garbage. They had a legit offer for FBS and they blinked. Time to move on.

There was no vote. JMU has said in the past that an actual vote would take place in public session. Besides, an invitation wouldn't even be extended unless the conference knows the school will accept.

BINGO! Their BOV held a closed door session meaning they didn't have to reveal their conversations via minutes. I used the word "invitation" when opportunity would have been a better choice of words. As you said, no formal invite is going to be extended without prior knowledge it will be accepted. However, JMU's administration knew they had a home in the SunBelt if they wanted it.
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot
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(04-16-2014 10:27 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.
No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.
It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot

That's the point I was getting at; they have really no room to look down their noses at the Sun Belt....they aint all that.
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(04-16-2014 10:23 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.

We've had doctoral programs since 1992. Currently 245 students in 6 programs.
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:38 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:27 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.
No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.
It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot

That's the point I was getting at; they have really no room to look down their noses at the Sun Belt....they aint all that.

Now, now how many of us can say we're an alumnus of a school named after a dead president?
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(04-16-2014 10:49 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:38 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:27 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.
No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.
It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot

That's the point I was getting at; they have really no room to look down their noses at the Sun Belt....they aint all that.

Now, now how many of us can say we're an alumnus of a school named after a dead president?

Actually quite a few:

Adams
John Adams Elementary School
Adams House (Harvard University)
John Adams Middle School (Kanawha County Schools, Charleston, WV)
Bush[edit]
George Bush High School
George Bush School of Government and Public Service
Coolidge[edit]
Coolidge High School (located in town with same namesake)
Coolidge Middle School (several)
Eisenhower[edit]
Eisenhower College
Eisenhower Institute
Eisenhower Elementary School
Eisenhower Middle School (several)
Fillmore[edit]
Millard Fillmore College
Ford[edit]
Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy
Harding
Warren Harding High School
Warren G. Harding High School
Warren G. Harding Middle School
Hoover[edit]
Herbert Hoover High School (West Virginia)
Hoover Institution
Jackson[edit]
Andrew Jackson High School (several)
Andrew Jackson Fundamental Magnet High School
Andrew Jackson Middle School (Kanawha County Schools, Cross Lanes, WV)
Jefferson
Jefferson College (disambiguation)
Jefferson College (Mississippi)
Jefferson Community and Technical College
Jefferson Community College (New York)
Thomas Jefferson High School (many)
Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology
Thomas Jefferson School of Law
Thomas Jefferson University
Vincennes University (formerly Jefferson Academy)
Johnson
Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs
Lyndon B. Johnson Tropical Medical Center (American Samoa)
Kennedy
John F. Kennedy School of Government of Harvard University
John F. Kennedy High School (several)
John F. Kennedy University
John Kennedy College
Kennedy Memorial Trust
John F. Kennedy Middle School (several)
President Kennedy School and Community College
John F. Kennedy Library Boston MA
Lincoln
Lincoln Center Institute
Lincoln College, Illinois
Lincoln Land Community College
Lincoln Law School of Sacramento
Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Lincoln Memorial University
Lincoln School (several)
Lincoln University (California)
Lincoln University (Missouri)
Lincoln University (Pennsylvania)
Madison[edit]
James Madison College
James Madison Middle School
James Madison University
James Madison High School
McKinley[edit]
President William McKinley High School
Monroe[edit]
Monroe College
James Monroe High School, Lindside, WV
James Monroe High School, Bronx, NY
Obama[edit]
Barack Obama Charter Elementary School, Compton, California
Barack Obama Elementary School, Hempstead, New York
Barack Obama Elementary School, Upper Marlboro, Maryland
The Barack Obama Academy of International Studies, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Barack Obama Male Leadership Academy, Dallas, Texas
Pierce[edit]
Franklin Pierce University
University of New Hampshire School of Law (formerly Franklin Pierce Law Center)
Reagan[edit]
Ronald Reagan High School, San Antonio, Texas
Ronald W. Reagan/Doral Senior High School, Doral, Florida
Ronald Wilson Reagan College Preparatory High School, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Ronald W. Reagan High School, Pfafftown, North Carolina
Roosevelt[edit]


Roosevelt Academy city hall
Roosevelt Academy
Roosevelt Institution
Roosevelt University
Roosevelt School, Lodi N.J.
Taft[edit]
William Howard Taft University
Truman[edit]
Harry S Truman College
Harry S Truman School of Public Affairs
Truman Scholarship
Truman State University
Tyler
John Tyler Community College
Van Buren
Martin Van Buren High School
Washington
Washington State
George Washington University
Washington & Jefferson College
Washington College
Washington and Lee University
Washington and Lee High School in Montross, VA
Washington University in St. Louis
George Washington High School (Charleston, West Virginia)
Wilson
Wilson College, Princeton University
Woodrow Wilson High School (over 10 locations)
Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars
Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_edu...presidents
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:23 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.

Georgia Southern has 6 doctoral programs
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(04-16-2014 10:49 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:38 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:27 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.
No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.
It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot

That's the point I was getting at; they have really no room to look down their noses at the Sun Belt....they aint all that.

Now, now how many of us can say we're an alumnus of a school named after a dead president?

Georgia Rutherford Southern was a fine man and an excellent president.
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 10:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:49 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:38 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:27 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.
No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.
It's a wanna-be-Yankee App State twin with less athletic accomplishments and a bigger ego. 05-stirthepot

That's the point I was getting at; they have really no room to look down their noses at the Sun Belt....they aint all that.

Now, now how many of us can say we're an alumnus of a school named after a dead president?

Adams[edit]
John Adams Elementary School
Adams House (Harvard University)
John Adams Middle School (Kanawha County Schools, Charleston, WV)
Bush[edit]
George Bush High School
George Bush School of Government and Public Service
Coolidge[edit]
Coolidge High School (located in town with same namesake)
Coolidge Middle School (several)
Eisenhower[edit]
Eisenhower College
Eisenhower Institute
Eisenhower Elementary School
Eisenhower Middle School (several)
Fillmore[edit]
Millard Fillmore College
Ford[edit]
Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy
Harding[edit]
Warren Harding High School
Warren G. Harding High School
Warren G. Harding Middle School
Hoover[edit]
Herbert Hoover High School (West Virginia)
Hoover Institution
Jackson[edit]
Andrew Jackson High School (several)
Andrew Jackson Fundamental Magnet High School
Andrew Jackson Middle School (Kanawha County Schools, Cross Lanes, WV)
Jefferson[edit]
Jefferson College (disambiguation)
Jefferson College (Mississippi)
Jefferson Community and Technical College
Jefferson Community College (New York)
Thomas Jefferson High School (many)
Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology
Thomas Jefferson School of Law
Thomas Jefferson University
Vincennes University (formerly Jefferson Academy)
Johnson[edit]
Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs
Lyndon B. Johnson Tropical Medical Center (American Samoa)
Kennedy[edit]
John F. Kennedy School of Government of Harvard University
John F. Kennedy High School (several)
John F. Kennedy University
John Kennedy College
Kennedy Memorial Trust
John F. Kennedy Middle School (several)
President Kennedy School and Community College
John F. Kennedy Library Boston MA
Lincoln[edit]
Lincoln Center Institute
Lincoln College, Illinois
Lincoln Land Community College
Lincoln Law School of Sacramento
Lincoln Law School of San Jose
Lincoln Memorial University
Lincoln School (several)
Lincoln University (California)
Lincoln University (Missouri)
Lincoln University (Pennsylvania)
Madison[edit]
James Madison College
James Madison Middle School
James Madison University
James Madison High School
McKinley[edit]
President William McKinley High School
Monroe[edit]
Monroe College
James Monroe High School, Lindside, WV
James Monroe High School, Bronx, NY
Obama[edit]
Barack Obama Charter Elementary School, Compton, California
Barack Obama Elementary School, Hempstead, New York
Barack Obama Elementary School, Upper Marlboro, Maryland
The Barack Obama Academy of International Studies, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Barack Obama Male Leadership Academy, Dallas, Texas
Pierce[edit]
Franklin Pierce University
University of New Hampshire School of Law (formerly Franklin Pierce Law Center)
Reagan[edit]
Ronald Reagan High School, San Antonio, Texas
Ronald W. Reagan/Doral Senior High School, Doral, Florida
Ronald Wilson Reagan College Preparatory High School, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Ronald W. Reagan High School, Pfafftown, North Carolina
Roosevelt[edit]


Roosevelt Academy city hall
Roosevelt Academy
Roosevelt Institution
Roosevelt University
Roosevelt School, Lodi N.J.
Taft[edit]
William Howard Taft University
Truman[edit]
Harry S Truman College
Harry S Truman School of Public Affairs
Truman Scholarship
Truman State University
Tyler[edit]
John Tyler Community College
Van Buren[edit]
Martin Van Buren High School
Washington[edit]


A bust of George Washington on the campus of George Washington University
George Washington University
Washington & Jefferson College
Washington College
Washington and Lee University
Washington and Lee High School in Montross, VA
Washington University in St. Louis
George Washington High School (Charleston, West Virginia)
Wilson[edit]
Wilson College, Princeton University
Woodrow Wilson High School (over 10 locations)
Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars
Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs

Good gosh man, I meant from the Sun Belt!!!
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-15-2014 07:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  A very informed source has told me JMU's Board of Visitors met in a closed door session this past weekend to discuss SunBelt membership. After a lengthy discussion JMU's administration decided to turn down an opportunity to join the SunBelt. It was emphasised JMU does not have an invite to CUSA or the MAC as neither conference will be expanding in the foreseeable future. This is likely JMU's last opportunity to make the FBS move for some time to come. There are obviously financial situations in play as President Alger has told JMU alumni groups he would pursue FBS if someone steps up and writes a 7 figure check. It is believed the SunBelt will now pursue UMass for football only and NMSU for all sports.

Where is the link for this bit of information? What is "an opportunity to joint the SunBelt?" I doubt the SBC issued an official invite just to be rejected. If you mean discussions have taken place, then that really isn't any news.
No disrespect, but your "very informed source" about a "closed door session" just doesn't ring very credible to me. I hope you will forgive me if I wait for an official and verified statement from either the SBC or JMU officials.
Wow, 13 + pages of posts on someone's informed source. That's some good speculation discussion. But, what are this boards for right?
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RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 11:04 AM)VandyBen Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 07:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  A very informed source has told me JMU's Board of Visitors met in a closed door session this past weekend to discuss SunBelt membership. After a lengthy discussion JMU's administration decided to turn down an opportunity to join the SunBelt. It was emphasised JMU does not have an invite to CUSA or the MAC as neither conference will be expanding in the foreseeable future. This is likely JMU's last opportunity to make the FBS move for some time to come. There are obviously financial situations in play as President Alger has told JMU alumni groups he would pursue FBS if someone steps up and writes a 7 figure check. It is believed the SunBelt will now pursue UMass for football only and NMSU for all sports.

Where is the link for this bit of information? What is "an opportunity to joint the SunBelt?" I doubt the SBC issued an official invite just to be rejected. If you mean discussions have taken place, then that really isn't any news.
No disrespect, but your "very informed source" about a "closed door session" just doesn't ring very credible to me. I hope you will forgive me if I wait for an official and verified statement from either the SBC or JMU officials.
Wow, 13 + pages of posts on someone's informed source. That's some good speculation discussion. But, what are this boards for right?

Many of us App State fans know AppMan from other boards and he has a good reputation and a friend at JMU.
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(04-16-2014 11:09 AM)pjc1979 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 11:04 AM)VandyBen Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 07:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  A very informed source has told me JMU's Board of Visitors met in a closed door session this past weekend to discuss SunBelt membership. After a lengthy discussion JMU's administration decided to turn down an opportunity to join the SunBelt. It was emphasised JMU does not have an invite to CUSA or the MAC as neither conference will be expanding in the foreseeable future. This is likely JMU's last opportunity to make the FBS move for some time to come. There are obviously financial situations in play as President Alger has told JMU alumni groups he would pursue FBS if someone steps up and writes a 7 figure check. It is believed the SunBelt will now pursue UMass for football only and NMSU for all sports.

Where is the link for this bit of information? What is "an opportunity to joint the SunBelt?" I doubt the SBC issued an official invite just to be rejected. If you mean discussions have taken place, then that really isn't any news.
No disrespect, but your "very informed source" about a "closed door session" just doesn't ring very credible to me. I hope you will forgive me if I wait for an official and verified statement from either the SBC or JMU officials.
Wow, 13 + pages of posts on someone's informed source. That's some good speculation discussion. But, what are this boards for right?

Many of us App State fans know AppMan from other boards and he has a good reputation and a friend at JMU.

Agreed he is well connected. When he speaks I generally sit quite and listen.
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(04-16-2014 10:23 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.

Arkansas State offers the following doctoral programs.
Educational Leadership, EdD
Environmental Science, PhD
Heritage Studies, PhD
Molecular Bioscience, PhD
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(04-16-2014 10:58 AM)GATA Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:23 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.

Georgia Southern has 6 doctoral programs

We have them also.
For Example:
Specialist and Doctoral Degree Programs
Educational Administration EdS Degree (off campus and online)
Higher Education EdS Degree (on and off campus)
School Psychology MA/SSP Degree (combined master's and specialist - on campus)
Educational Leadership EdD Degree (on and off campus)
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Re: RE: JMU Says No to the SunBelt
(04-16-2014 11:16 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:23 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 10:08 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  I don't know but I just read through the bio for JMU on wiki and it aint real impressive. 19,000 students, only 1,800 of which are grad students with no real Phd or professional programs to speak of. It's in the middle of nowhere (MSA of 126k and a town pop. of 45k). I thought we were talking about an Old Dominion type school here; we aren't.

No great loss in not having JMU on board....might even be better off.

What schools in the Sunbelt offer PHD's? Not too many I would guess. I know App doesn't. We also have a population of 32k. 1/4 that of Hburg region.

Arkansas State offers the following doctoral programs.
Educational Leadership, EdD
Environmental Science, PhD
Heritage Studies, PhD
Molecular Bioscience, PhD

You forgot Physical Therapy and one other.
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