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RE: Conference Championship Game Deregulation
UC
Uconn
UCF
USF
ECU
Navy


Boise
AF
Col St
UNLV
SDSU
SMU

here is the only G5 i agree with
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(04-15-2014 01:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  UC
Uconn
UCF
USF
ECU
Navy


Boise
AF
Col St
UNLV
SDSU
SMU

here is the only G5 i agree with

I like it but would sub UNLV for Houston and Col St. for BYU
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If there are no divisions, a championship game lacks competitive legitimacy.
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Am I the only one that thinks that Navy's going to be a perpetual underdog in any league they're in? USF and Tulsa both beat Notre Dame.... Navy has barely ever done it. (Except for that one year under Charlie Wise) I've never been impressed by the service schools in football.
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(04-15-2014 01:42 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Am I the only one that thinks that Navy's going to be a perpetual underdog in any league they're in? USF and Tulsa both beat Notre Dame.... Navy has barely ever done it. (Except for that one year under Charlie Wise) I've never been impressed by the service schools in football.

They can't just go recruit anyone. A Navy recruit has to be committed to the military for 4+ years.
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(04-15-2014 01:21 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:27 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 11:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 11:46 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  You have good football attendance and a history of playing pretty good football consistently. That's important. It's not the whole story. You might look at it before you bash teams that were here BEFORE you were.
Historically for ECU:
Zero NITs
Zero NCAA tournament wins in men's basketball (zero at large appearances).
Zero NCAA tournament wins in women's basketball.
While in C-USA:
Football Top 10s. Tulane 1, ECU 0
CWS appearances. Tulane 2, ECU 0
NCAA appearances. 0-0
NIT appearances: Tulane 3 ECU 0
Women's basketball NCAA appearances: Tulane 10, ECU 1
Not to mention superiority in virtually every minor sport, including a top 10 in women's golf last year.
That might give a clue as to why Tulane was admitted BEFORE ECU was.

03-lmfao Most of that is ancient history and/or is a non-factor when talking about how it actually benefits the league as a whole. Nice golf reference.

In the past seven years TU FBall is 24-56 yet TU was STILL accepted in front of ECU. That has to sting a little, right?

Not really. Tulane and ECU were basically given acceptance into the Big East at the same time, albeit Tulane was for all sports and ECU was only for football initially. The C7 had to be excused fully to get ECU included fully into the conference.

Actually the c7 were not excused, they saw what this conference was becoming with each new addition, and decided to get out while the getting was good. I don't blame them.

Excused does not mean forced out. It means (in this case) to be released from an obligation or membership. They asked to leave, and once they did amenably and officially, then ECU was granted full membership.
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(04-15-2014 01:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If there are no divisions, a championship game lacks competitive legitimacy.

Meh. A 12-0 team vs a 6-6 team in a CCG does as well, especially when there are other teams in the conference who fared better than the 6-6 team. It will be interesting to see if this game is allowed to become something that only happens to break a tie.
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(04-15-2014 12:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:43 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 09:47 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty much solidifies that the B12 wont be expanding anytime soon

Wait... The one issue Dodds doesn't deal with is this: Do you NEED 12 teams to have a CCG?

The B12 asked for a waiver to the 12 team rule. I thought they were denied.

MEANING... it doesn't matter "how" the teams are selected to play in a CCG, the B12 with 10 teams still can't have one.

Unless, the 12-team rule is no longer in effect.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select.

There are several ways to parse that... You don't ***need*** 12 teams...you can have 13 or 15...

The value of 12...as opposed to 13...was "balanced" divisions. You don't necessarily need balanced divisions any more. BUT under NCAA rules, to host a CCG, you needed AT LEAST 12 teams...up to this point in time at least.
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(04-15-2014 01:55 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:51 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:43 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 09:47 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty much solidifies that the B12 wont be expanding anytime soon

Wait... The one issue Dodds doesn't deal with is this: Do you NEED 12 teams to have a CCG?

The B12 asked for a waiver to the 12 team rule. I thought they were denied.

MEANING... it doesn't matter "how" the teams are selected to play in a CCG, the B12 with 10 teams still can't have one.

Unless, the 12-team rule is no longer in effect.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select.

There are several ways to parse that... You don't ***need*** 12 teams...you can have 13 or 15...

The value of 12...as opposed to 13...was "balanced" divisions. You don't necessarily need balanced divisions any more. BUT under NCAA rules, to host a CCG, you needed AT LEAST 12 teams...up to this point in time at least.

That truly would be parsing. A commissioner of a TEN (10) TEAM conference wouldn't be supporting this if the 12-team minimum were to remain in effect. But you keep on reaching to fit your ends.
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(04-15-2014 11:25 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 11:18 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I doubt the Big '12' would have sponsored a deregulation proposal that would still require 12 teams.
I thought of that, but it could be a means to an end. If the Big12 did not want to expand bc divisional play created scheduling issues this could remove that barrier.
Has anyone connected to the Big <XII -- Bowlsby, a university president, AD, coach, anybody at all -- ever said anything to indicate that is the case?

Yes.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select.

ACC supports deregulation of conference championships
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(04-15-2014 01:28 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  :ban:My question is when, when will Tulane use their considerable resources and excellent location to make a real splash in terms of athletics. At this point, they are just another small wealthy school that has not learned to leverage it's assets for athletic success.

Man, before this last basketball season, this is what I always complained about with my own alma mater! It seemed so stupid that we couldn't see that great athletic programs can lead to more exposure, more applications, better academic profile, more $, etc.

What I've learned in those many years is that for schools like ours (and Tulane), it is often very difficult to get the academic-minded trustees on board with providing the infastructure for good athletic programs...especially football. Lowered academic restrictions for athletes (again, especially in football) can lower the overall numbers for the school when you only have 5 or 6k undergrads.

Constant struggle between trustees that only care about academics and big $ boosters that actually want good FB/BB programs.
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(04-15-2014 01:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:21 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:27 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 11:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  03-lmfao Most of that is ancient history and/or is a non-factor when talking about how it actually benefits the league as a whole. Nice golf reference.

In the past seven years TU FBall is 24-56 yet TU was STILL accepted in front of ECU. That has to sting a little, right?

Not really. Tulane and ECU were basically given acceptance into the Big East at the same time, albeit Tulane was for all sports and ECU was only for football initially. The C7 had to be excused fully to get ECU included fully into the conference.

Actually the c7 were not excused, they saw what this conference was becoming with each new addition, and decided to get out while the getting was good. I don't blame them.

Lol, yeah its really turned out awful

Actually it is, but it's an upgrade from where you came from, so you don't see it as much. I can't wait to see who 11 & 12 turn out to be, but I seriously doubt it is anyone to get excited about, much like this last bunch. LOL!
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(04-15-2014 02:22 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:23 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:21 PM)redbirdTD Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:27 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  In the past seven years TU FBall is 24-56 yet TU was STILL accepted in front of ECU. That has to sting a little, right?

Not really. Tulane and ECU were basically given acceptance into the Big East at the same time, albeit Tulane was for all sports and ECU was only for football initially. The C7 had to be excused fully to get ECU included fully into the conference.

Actually the c7 were not excused, they saw what this conference was becoming with each new addition, and decided to get out while the getting was good. I don't blame them.

Lol, yeah its really turned out awful

Actually it is, but it's an upgrade from where you came from, so you don't see it as much. I can't wait to see who 11 & 12 turn out to be, but I seriously doubt it is anyone to get excited about, much like this last bunch. LOL!

Your stupidity is astounding.
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(04-15-2014 02:07 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  Yes.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select.

So Texas vs whoever wins the conference every year?
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(04-15-2014 01:18 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:00 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:29 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 12:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  In the past seven years TU FBall is 24-56 yet TU was STILL accepted in front of ECU. That has to sting a little, right?

Considering the idiots that voted you guys in based on media market, not really.

and endowment, recruiting, destination city, academics, NATIONAL reputation.......a few ECU fans are dangerously teetering on the ULL/Texas Tech cliff.

Sweet. Let's get Rice, Carnegie Melon and Case Western Reserve on board and we're set. 03-lmfao

You left out U of Chicago, NYU and Emory.
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(04-15-2014 01:42 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Am I the only one that thinks that Navy's going to be a perpetual underdog in any league they're in? USF and Tulsa both beat Notre Dame.... Navy has barely ever done it. (Except for that one year under Charlie Wise) I've never been impressed by the service schools in football.

UConn has beaten ND too...
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If there's no regulation, could a conference have a 4 team playoff?
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(04-15-2014 01:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  UC
Uconn
UCF
USF
ECU
Navy


Boise
AF
Col St
UNLV
SDSU
SMU

here is the only G5 i agree with

No Houston, Memphis?

Let's get UConn, ECU, UC, Navy(fb), Memphis, UCF, USF, Houston, SMU to leave the conference and merge with SDSU, UNLV, Fresno St., BYU, AF(fb).
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(04-15-2014 03:20 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:30 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  UC
Uconn
UCF
USF
ECU
Navy


Boise
AF
Col St
UNLV
SDSU
SMU

here is the only G5 i agree with

No Houston, Memphis?

Let's get UConn, ECU, UC, Navy(fb), Memphis, UCF, USF, Houston, SMU to leave the conference and merge with SDSU, UNLV, Fresno St., BYU, AF(fb).

You could actually make an AAC-MWC merger with the following programs:

Tulane
Tulsa
Colorado State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Rice
Boise State
<wildcard pick>

Such a league would preserve a decent bit of the front range AND keep the private school trio of Rice/Tulane/Tulsa intact.
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(04-15-2014 02:56 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  
(04-15-2014 01:42 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Am I the only one that thinks that Navy's going to be a perpetual underdog in any league they're in? USF and Tulsa both beat Notre Dame.... Navy has barely ever done it. (Except for that one year under Charlie Wise) I've never been impressed by the service schools in football.

UConn has beaten ND too...

My Apologies. Way to go Huskies.
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