(04-15-2014 07:59 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  “It’s our backyard, that’s how we look at Memphis,” Bjork said. “We like to be here as much as possible. That’s why we like the series with Memphis, both in football and basketball. So the more we can do up here the better, to bring big-time athletics to the city of Memphis.” In this morning's CA.

All the more reason NOT to play OM in either FB or BB for you idiots that complain we should play these teams that our coaches do NOT want to play.

There is very little about ole miss that does not piss me off.

bjork damn eagle

You guys whining about it will be the ones celebrating most when we beat them.

(04-15-2014 06:19 PM)madtiger Wrote:  So our AD makes a decision that will almost certainly financially benefit our football program, has a WILLING P5 home and home opponent that is a "rival" game for both teams (whether OM wants to admit it or not)...against a team that is not now, and will not ever be our equal in basketball (should always be an easy win, with a decent RPI boost)...and our fans have a problem with it.

There is no team (save for some folks UT) that Memphis fans love to hate more than OM.

So this looming "disaster" that is coming as a result of this series is a bunch of hooey.

Playing OM is good for the football program.

Reality: If OM, or any other SEC school wants a football player (I mean REALLY wants him)...we aren't getting him anyway.

We get exposure, money, and a chance to beat a P5 school.

That's a huge win for us.

I'm sorry some of you don't see it that way, but Mr. Bowen's primary job, is to ensure fiscal success in our athletic department.

This takes a step in that direction.

Instead of playing victim...look at it from a football perspective...we have NOTHING to lose playing them. Nothing.

- It's most recent years a winnable game
- It fills both stadiums
- It gets both fanbases wound up
- It gives us a TV game
- It's a non-conference game that has reduced travel cost.

I know some of you will disagree and that's fine, but I personally think that its great we play Ole Miss anywhere in any sport.

I believe the term is penny wise and dollar foolish. The short term gain in finances do not outweigh the long term harm of giving OM even more access to the city.

(04-15-2014 09:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 04:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:13 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:34 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Agreed ---

"The ACC has to consider a nine-game schedule given that the Big 12 and Pac-12 already have one and the SEC is considering it.

The ACC has an informal interest in perhaps partnering with the SEC or Big 12 in an “8 + 1” model....

We have to play these guys for football's sake. Who else in the P5 will give us home and homes that will draw this sort of interest (and much needed money) to the Memphis football program?

Ummm --- no one?

Do believe we have a home and home against UCLA and Kansas.

If you really think those games will draw the same or better crowds and the same or better interest than games against Tennessee and Ole Miss --- that's ok.

The claim was no P5 schools would give us a home and home. Nothing was said about if they may draw or not. Can't go changing the argument when you are proven wrong.

What and where is an Old Mrs?

(04-15-2014 09:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 04:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:13 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:34 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Agreed ---

"The ACC has to consider a nine-game schedule given that the Big 12 and Pac-12 already have one and the SEC is considering it.

The ACC has an informal interest in perhaps partnering with the SEC or Big 12 in an “8 + 1” model....

We have to play these guys for football's sake. Who else in the P5 will give us home and homes that will draw this sort of interest (and much needed money) to the Memphis football program?

Ummm --- no one?

Do believe we have a home and home against UCLA and Kansas.

If you really think those games will draw the same or better crowds and the same or better interest than games against Tennessee and Ole Miss --- that's ok.

(04-16-2014 01:32 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 06:19 PM)madtiger Wrote:  So our AD makes a decision that will almost certainly financially benefit our football program, has a WILLING P5 home and home opponent that is a "rival" game for both teams (whether OM wants to admit it or not)...against a team that is not now, and will not ever be our equal in basketball (should always be an easy win, with a decent RPI boost)...and our fans have a problem with it.

There is no team (save for some folks UT) that Memphis fans love to hate more than OM.

So this looming "disaster" that is coming as a result of this series is a bunch of hooey.

Playing OM is good for the football program.

Reality: If OM, or any other SEC school wants a football player (I mean REALLY wants him)...we aren't getting him anyway.

We get exposure, money, and a chance to beat a P5 school.

That's a huge win for us.

I'm sorry some of you don't see it that way, but Mr. Bowen's primary job, is to ensure fiscal success in our athletic department.

This takes a step in that direction.

Instead of playing victim...look at it from a football perspective...we have NOTHING to lose playing them. Nothing.

- It's most recent years a winnable game
- It fills both stadiums
- It gets both fanbases wound up
- It gives us a TV game
- It's a non-conference game that has reduced travel cost.

I know some of you will disagree and that's fine, but I personally think that its great we play Ole Miss anywhere in any sport.

I believe the term is penny wise and dollar foolish. The short term gain in finances do not outweigh the long term harm of giving OM even more access to the city.

The phrase is actually penny wise and pound foolish, but that doesn't really apply here.

If Ole Miss and Mississippi State want a football player from Memphis, they are going to get him, period.

It has worked that way for a very long time and will continue to work that way.

The SEC schools already have "access" to the city. They get the players that they want.

Why not take their money?

Especially since that is the one thing we need more than anything right now. The second thing we need is exposure.

Guess what playing an SEC school gives us?

This is a no lose situation for us.

(04-16-2014 01:10 AM)Rob Wrote:  You guys whining about it will be the ones celebrating most when we beat them.

So?
Its not like i am saying i am going to skip the game in some sort of protest? Your response is dumb.
Can someone PLEASE tell me how this series has or will help make OUR football product better?

Can you tell me how it will hurt us?

(04-15-2014 10:32 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:25 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:17 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:08 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 10:04 PM)FUT Wrote:  So the gain is one home gate every year or two? Just for kicks go look up the year we averaged the most fans per home game and list the $ec teams on that schedule.

Just for kicks mow my yard --- and then I go do your work. And yes the "gain" -- as you say --- is a big home gate PLUS the pre-game interest every year or two. Is that bad?

There were zero sec teams on the schedule when we averaged our most fans. How do you explain that? Since explaining it would be "work" i will help you out. We were winning. It does not take mississippi, it takes winning.

I have pre game interest before every tiger game. Usually less for mississippi since i know i will have to deal with their self righteous fans.

OK --- how about this --- when we start winning enough to draw on our own merit than I agree with you. Until then --- you agree that maybe we should draw some interest and money until then ---- whenever "then" comes?

Do we damage our chance of winning by playing a team that has dominated us? A team that is clearly stating they are playing here to try and take away the very fans we are looking to draw? Like i said, this is the road very well traveled. Lots of ruts in it.

Spot on FUT. Some seem to have a hard time believing what's the truth. This Road's been traveled many a time and it's a road that has lead to nowhere. The main reason Missippi or UTK ever want to play the Tigers in Memphis is for their self serving interest only.

The "big time athletics" comment was a mistake by Bjork. Nothing positive can come from saying something like that. He's usually a much shrewder strategist. Ole Miss has made it a point to focus less on Mississippi and more on being a regional university. There are more out of state students than Mississippi students at Ole Miss. I think we have around 15,000 season ticket holders from the metro area. Bjork and the administration simply want to attract the kids that want to go to an SEC school, but want to stay closer to home. They are really trying to steal kids from UT, Arkansas and MSU.

I view the series this way. You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school. If you lose a Mid-South basketball prodigy to Ole Miss, your staff has failed miserably. If we lose a Mid-South football prodigy to Memphis, our staff has failed miserably. I think it really is that simple. This bickering, by both sides, about providing recruiting access and boosting revenues is silly.

The series was renewed because Bjork and Bowen are long time friends and both need to keep costs at a minimum to be able to spend as much cash as possible on facilities and staff. It's a very cheap series for travel expenses. It is a long time rivalry. It's a no brainer.

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school.

Yes.

And that is why it is amusing watching local mispsiisiii fans.

Football first- but for the greater part of 40 years- very mediocre.

(04-16-2014 08:59 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school.

Yes.

And that is why it is amusing watching local mispsiisiii fans.

Football first- but for the greater part of 40 years- very mediocre.

No question. Small fish in a big pond. We've had some good coaching and some good recruiting, though never under the same regime. I'd have to think Freeze would have gone better than 9-4 with those 2 Orgeron recruited teams. He is recruiting at a similar level, so we shall see in the coming years.

(04-16-2014 09:33 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:59 AM)Mimi Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school.

Yes.

And that is why it is amusing watching local mispsiisiii fans.

Football first- but for the greater part of 40 years- very mediocre.

No question. Small fish in a big pond. We've had some good coaching and some good recruiting, though never under the same regime. I'd have to think Freeze would have gone better than 9-4 with those 2 Orgeron recruited teams. He is recruiting at a similar level, so we shall see in the coming years.

The future is bright for Rebel football, but the obstacles (Bama, Auburn, LSU) are enormous.

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  The "big time athletics" comment was a mistake by Bjork. Nothing positive can come from saying something like that. He's usually a much shrewder strategist. Ole Miss has made it a point to focus less on Mississippi and more on being a regional university. There are more out of state students than Mississippi students at Ole Miss. I think we have around 15,000 season ticket holders from the metro area. Bjork and the administration simply want to attract the kids that want to go to an SEC school, but want to stay closer to home. They are really trying to steal kids from UT, Arkansas and MSU.

I view the series this way. You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school. If you lose a Mid-South basketball prodigy to Ole Miss, your staff has failed miserably. If we lose a Mid-South football prodigy to Memphis, our staff has failed miserably. I think it really is that simple. This bickering, by both sides, about providing recruiting access and boosting revenues is silly.

The series was renewed because Bjork and Bowen are long time friends and both need to keep costs at a minimum to be able to spend as much cash as possible on facilities and staff. It's a very cheap series for travel expenses. It is a long time rivalry. It's a no brainer.

This board has a lot of short sighted fans who, quite frankly, will take any opportunity to complain. Thank goodness we finally have an AD that looks like he's committed to improving Memphis football. Too bad to also has to listen to some of the hare brains on this board.

(04-16-2014 10:12 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  The "big time athletics" comment was a mistake by Bjork. Nothing positive can come from saying something like that. He's usually a much shrewder strategist. Ole Miss has made it a point to focus less on Mississippi and more on being a regional university. There are more out of state students than Mississippi students at Ole Miss. I think we have around 15,000 season ticket holders from the metro area. Bjork and the administration simply want to attract the kids that want to go to an SEC school, but want to stay closer to home. They are really trying to steal kids from UT, Arkansas and MSU.

I view the series this way. You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school. If you lose a Mid-South basketball prodigy to Ole Miss, your staff has failed miserably. If we lose a Mid-South football prodigy to Memphis, our staff has failed miserably. I think it really is that simple. This bickering, by both sides, about providing recruiting access and boosting revenues is silly.

The series was renewed because Bjork and Bowen are long time friends and both need to keep costs at a minimum to be able to spend as much cash as possible on facilities and staff. It's a very cheap series for travel expenses. It is a long time rivalry. It's a no brainer.

This board has a lot of short sighted fans who, quite frankly, will take any opportunity to complain. Thank goodness we finally have an AD that looks like he's committed to improving Memphis football. Too bad to also has to listen to some of the hare brains on this board.

Do you realize Tiger basketball pays for the football deficit every year-to the tune of 3-5 million. Been doing this for years-so don't make this a football only issue. Tigers do NOT need to be playing OM and UT in basketball. Period. Under any circumstances. The 30-40 million already paid by basketball to cover football deficit is ENOUGH. Let football generate its revenue without forcing the basketball program to play schools that we do not want or need to play.

(04-16-2014 10:12 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 08:29 AM)obrebel84 Wrote:  The "big time athletics" comment was a mistake by Bjork. Nothing positive can come from saying something like that. He's usually a much shrewder strategist. Ole Miss has made it a point to focus less on Mississippi and more on being a regional university. There are more out of state students than Mississippi students at Ole Miss. I think we have around 15,000 season ticket holders from the metro area. Bjork and the administration simply want to attract the kids that want to go to an SEC school, but want to stay closer to home. They are really trying to steal kids from UT, Arkansas and MSU.

I view the series this way. You guys are a basketball first school and we are a football first school. If you lose a Mid-South basketball prodigy to Ole Miss, your staff has failed miserably. If we lose a Mid-South football prodigy to Memphis, our staff has failed miserably. I think it really is that simple. This bickering, by both sides, about providing recruiting access and boosting revenues is silly.

The series was renewed because Bjork and Bowen are long time friends and both need to keep costs at a minimum to be able to spend as much cash as possible on facilities and staff. It's a very cheap series for travel expenses. It is a long time rivalry. It's a no brainer.

This board has a lot of short sighted fans who, quite frankly, will take any opportunity to complain. Thank goodness we finally have an AD that looks like he's committed to improving Memphis football. Too bad to also has to listen to some of the hare brains on this board.

It's a terrible idea.

(04-16-2014 01:35 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 09:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 04:22 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 12:02 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-15-2014 11:13 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  We have to play these guys for football's sake. Who else in the P5 will give us home and homes that will draw this sort of interest (and much needed money) to the Memphis football program?

Ummm --- no one?

Do believe we have a home and home against UCLA and Kansas.

If you really think those games will draw the same or better crowds and the same or better interest than games against Tennessee and Ole Miss --- that's ok.

The claim was no P5 schools would give us a home and home. Nothing was said about if they may draw or not. Can't go changing the argument when you are proven wrong.

No that wasn't the "claim" --- I mean it's in bold. Read it again. BTW - you might consider a guardianship if you don't already have one.

(04-16-2014 07:14 AM)madtiger Wrote:  Can you tell me how it will hurt us?

It seems to me the stated goal at mississippi is clear. they want to dominate the Memphis market. i think that if they dominate the Memphis market that will hurt us. sure they have a foot in the door now but why aid them in getting all the way in?

your turn. what has the series done to make our football program better? we have played those games in front of crowds at the LB that were about 45% Tiger fans, 35% rebel fans, and 20% interested observer (the people we want to draw in right). how many of that 20% have we converted and how many did mississippi get? I don’t know the answer but i know we have not grown our fan base or won a lot of games trying it that way.

(04-16-2014 10:57 AM)FUT Wrote:  

(04-16-2014 07:14 AM)madtiger Wrote:  Can you tell me how it will hurt us?

It seems to me the stated goal at mississippi is clear. they want to dominate the Memphis market. i think that if they dominate the Memphis market that will hurt us. sure they have a foot in the door now but why aid them in getting all the way in?

your turn. what has the series done to make our football program better? we have played those games in front of crowds at the LB that were about 45% Tiger fans, 35% rebel fans, and 20% interested observer (the people we want to draw in right). how many of that 20% have we converted and how many did mississippi get? I don’t know the answer but i know we have not grown our fan base or won a lot of games trying it that way.

I don't think anyone is pretending that playing Ole Miss and Tennessee is the sole answer to Memphis football's problems. This isn't a simple problem --- not the 'one piece puzzle' some want to make it. But the money it makes and the attention it draws, IMO now, certainly is one of the pieces and one of a number of things that the AD is doing to right a ship that was in full tilt.