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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

That's a problem.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 08:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. Kibbie Dome. (when you had to 'borrow' Wash. St. stadium to qualify for FBS and still haven done any stadium expansion to get to 25K at minimum that's a big tell tale sign you are not FBS worthy)
2. Attendance. Even at 16k capacity you didn't sell out your tiny stadium. There some tickets sold but the crowd on TV showed around 6k.

Either start breaking ground on a stadium for FBS or go down to FCS.
Idaho is by no means that only one that should drop down. Eastern Michigan should drop down also....they even had worse attendance than Idaho. Performance on the field doesn't mean anything if you can't bring in the crowd. And if UMass can't get it together, they should drop back down also.

Here's the thing though: How can Idaho justify a 25K stadium when a P5 school can't hit capacity 6 miles away? Wazzu would barely fill a 25K stadium with their attendance figures. MWC schools struggle to hit 60% capacity with 30K+ stadiums. Idaho could certainly use 9K more seats for bigger games, needs they to work out other issues before worrying about looking good on paper.

But for what it's worth, they have plans to expand to 27K. Who knows when it'll actually happen.

I don't think you saw WSU attendance figures last year. Their upgraded stadium has 33K capacity and averaged 29,737. They are actually upgrading the press box and club suites which I think was just completed.
Idaho has always had 'plans'. If Idaho was really serious about stay FBS they would actually have put in $$ into their facilites regardless, becasue that is what is necessary to be in this level. As for MWC schools, at least they have FBS stadiums and there are some schools preparing to build new stadiums.
Eastern Michigan...God love them, with their pitful 4k average attendance at least put $$ in a 30K stadium. I am calling for them to move down the FCS.

Idaho touted an expansion of the Kibbie Dome in the fall of 2012. That was the last time I heard anything mentioned about upgrades. Idaho likes to talk which is very cheap. In Las Cruces the local High School Football stadium holds 12,000 for comparison to the Kibbie.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
My thoughts.

1. Idaho has a viable option were they to go FCS. The Big Sky is ready and willing to take the Vandals and there are some games to be played in the Big Sky that will sell more tickets than playing Sun Belt Schools. Future schedules show only one game vs. Washington State or Boise State the two nearest schools of interest in FBS. NMSU has no viable FCS option. NMSU has long-term scheduling with UTEP and New Mexico.

2. Idaho is not a viable full member for the Sun Belt. From a marketing standpoint, it is to the advantage of the league as a whole as well as the membership individually to have schedules in the various sports that are similar. NMSU's best sports are the sports not in the Sun Belt. While travel to Las Cruces isn't great, it is viable and NMSU can improve the quality and perception of the Sun Belt in men's and women's basketball, baseball, and volleyball.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
Sounds like Idaho is also too close to Wazzu. They need to be a more attractive draw, but
that is extremely hard when you are going up against a Pac-12 football team.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

That's a problem.

(04-14-2014 01:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Sounds like Idaho is also too close to Wazzu. They need to be a more attractive draw, but
that is extremely hard when you are going up against a Pac-12 football team.

Sounds very similar to some of the problems GaState is having. Low attendance, trying to grow in the shadow of some P5 power house programs. Uphill battle for both programs.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 08:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. Kibbie Dome. (when you had to 'borrow' Wash. St. stadium to qualify for FBS and still haven done any stadium expansion to get to 25K at minimum that's a big tell tale sign you are not FBS worthy)
2. Attendance. Even at 16k capacity you didn't sell out your tiny stadium. There some tickets sold but the crowd on TV showed around 6k.

Either start breaking ground on a stadium for FBS or go down to FCS.
Idaho is by no means that only one that should drop down. Eastern Michigan should drop down also....they even had worse attendance than Idaho. Performance on the field doesn't mean anything if you can't bring in the crowd. And if UMass can't get it together, they should drop back down also.

Here's the thing though: How can Idaho justify a 25K stadium when a P5 school can't hit capacity 6 miles away? Wazzu would barely fill a 25K stadium with their attendance figures. MWC schools struggle to hit 60% capacity with 30K+ stadiums. Idaho could certainly use 9K more seats for bigger games, needs they to work out other issues before worrying about looking good on paper.

But for what it's worth, they have plans to expand to 27K. Who knows when it'll actually happen.

I don't think you saw WSU attendance figures last year. Their upgraded stadium has 33K capacity and averaged 29,737. They are actually upgrading the press box and club suites which I think was just completed.
Idaho has always had 'plans'. If Idaho was really serious about stay FBS they would actually have put in $$ into their facilites regardless, becasue that is what is necessary to be in this level. As for MWC schools, at least they have FBS stadiums and there are some schools preparing to build new stadiums.
Eastern Michigan...God love them, with their pitful 4k average attendance at least put $$ in a 30K stadium. I am calling for them to move down the FCS.

That includes a "home" game in Seattle. Attendance at Martin Stadium was 27K.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.



They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

Did you attend these game or are just throwing out a guess?
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